Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Read more

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Since: Aug 07

Arlington, VA

#116381 Feb 8, 2013
*** Reasons Why Evolution Never Happened ***(Part 1)

A. Astronomy/Cosmology: 1. Spiral galaxies young and not yet “wound up”; 2. Type III Supernova remnants “missing”; 3. Comets (Jupiter Family) maximum lifespan 10,000 years; 4. Moon orbit recession rate limits maximum age; 5. Universe had beginning; 6. Fine tuning of solar system and earth-moon system; 7. Sun’s perfect size, mass, temperature, & distance; 8. Solar eclipse perfect, unique; 9. Moon perfect size and distance for tides / seasons; 10. Perfect placement of solar system in galaxy (Goldilocks Zone); 11. No ET life found; 12. No radio signals detected from outer space (SETI); 13. Inhomogeneity of (bounded) universe; 14. Saturn ring / moon system upper age limit 10 million years; 15. Absence of Pop. III stars refute BB theory; 16. Discovery of blue stars in Milky Way Galaxy refutes old age; 17. The Horizon Problem; 18. High dispersion velocities of stars in galaxies; 19. Faint Young Sun Paradox.

B. Physics/Chemistry: 1. Physical laws, constants, and parameters fined-tuned to a razor’s edge; 2. Atomic design; 3. Perfect expansion rate of universe; 4. Perfect amount of strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force, & force of gravity; 5. Neutron vs. proton mass; 6. Number of electrons equals number of protons; 7. Atmosphere has correct mixture of gases; 8. Perfect tilt of earth; 9. Perfect amount of surface gravity; 10. Properties of water (H2O).

C. Geology/Paleontology: 1. Polonium-halos in granite rock; 2. C14 in “ancient” samples; 3. Polystrate fossils; 4. Cambrian explosion; 5. Lack of soil layers; 6.“Missing” age layers; 7. Soft sediment deformation (bent rock); 8.Youthful age of cavern speleothems (Carlsbad, Sequoyah); 9. Natural gas seepage rate; 10. Non-existent geologic “age” column; 11.“360 Ma” Shrimp (decapods) with no change since; 12. Living fossils (“200 Ma eels); 13. Abrupt appearance of fossils and stasis exhibited in geologic column; 14. Soft tissue in “old” fossils; 15. Alex Heilberg Island; 16. The Dead Sea and it’s salt clock max 13,000 years old; 17. Niagara Falls erosion rate 4-5 feet per year/max age 7,000 years

D. Physical Processes: 1. Net sodium increase/Ocean salt clock; 2. amount of ocean floor sediments; 3. Manganese sea nodule size, growth rate, and depth; 4. Rate of diminishing earth geo-magnetic field strength; 5. Atmospheric helium buildup rate; 6. Location of Gold (Au) inconsistent with evolution of molten earth.

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Arlington, VA

#116382 Feb 8, 2013
*** Reasons Why Evolution Never Happened ***(Part 2)

E. Biology/Genetics: 1. DNA-RNA-Protein code and programming; 2. Genetic programming code exactly same set of rules in every cell on earth; 3. Irreducibly complex biological systems (bacterial flagellum, blood clotting cascade); 4. Designed complexity (giraffe neck, bombardier beetle & trilobite eye); 5. No intermediates between different kinds; 6. Genetic entropy and genetic deleterious mutation rate; 7. World population growth rates; 8. Extinction of numerous species; 9. Beneficial symbiotic relationship between plants and animals; 10. Life comes only from (same species) life; 11. Woman from man (X/Y Chromosomes); 12. DNA error checking & repair process prevents genetic change; 13. Chromosome count fixed within species; 14. Chromosome errors cause sterility (mules); 15. No possible evolutionary path of bird from reptile (scales/feathers, bellows lung/avian lung, crawling/flying); 16. Mitochondrial Eve 6,000 years ago; 17. Unique properties of humans vs. animals; 18. Telomeres system tightly engineered/extreme sequence conservation and no intermediate/evidence of gradual transition; 19. Single-cell to multi-cell gap; 20. Gene pool (male & female) fixed at parent’s birth/no environmental effect occurs during life of parents; 21. Resistance, i.e., antibiotic or pesticide, does not yield any de novo genes or any complex new functions; 22. Navigational/migrational capabilities of animals, i.e., loggerhead turtle, salmon, hummingbird, Monarch butterfly; 23. Biological symmetry/design patterns of plants and animals, 24. Biological anatomical homologies exhibit variation on a theme by supreme intelligence; 25. Chromosome 2 Fusion Model refuted; 26. All known life only on Earth; 27. Very limited variation in DNA sequence in Y Chromosome worldwide; 28. Evolution cannot explain origins of sexual reproduction; 29. ATP Synthase has no possible forerunner; 30. Biosynthesis/ DNA-ATP-helicase-mRNA-ribosome -tRNA-polymerase: a vicious circle for evolution; 31. Origin of (protein/DNA) homochirality; 32. Redundant organs (lungs, kidneys); 33. Complex defense mechanisms (Giant African Crested Rat); 34. The world’s oldest living thing; 35. Insufficient time/generations to account for 60 million (98%) mutations selected makes human-chimp evolution impossible; 36. The myth of vestigial organs (tailbone, goosebumps, tonsils); 37. Metamorphasis; 38. Origin of photosynthesis; 39. Cold-blooded vs. warm-blooded; 40. Placental vs. marsupial; 41. Egg bearing vs. live birth; 42. Research proves no vertical evolution after numerous generations.

F. Other/Miscellaneous: 1. Bible, Creation, Fall, Flood, Babel, Christ; 2. Duality/human consciousness; 3. Law of cause and effect violated (nothing + nobody = everything premise illogical); 4. Information theory; 5. Language -unique to humans - became less complex over time in opposition to evolution; 6. Beauty of nature (peacock tail), art, music; 7. Second Law of Thermodynamics (universe & everything in it is “waxing” old (“closed system” myth); 8. Mathematical odds against abiogenesis, left-hand protein, prokaryote to eukaryote, sexual reproduction; 9. Specified complexity; 10. Preconditions of intelligibility: laws of logic, absolute morality, & the uniformity of nature; 11. The non-physical, non-material world of literature, art, music, humor, logic and mathematics; 12. Near-death experience data; 13. Organ transplant memory transfer; 14. Complimentary food (fruit/vegetables) designed perfectly (size, shape, nutritional content, flavor) for animals/humans; 15. Fractal geometry in nature; 16. Savantism –(math, music, memory) evidence of over-design (brain) and running counter to natural selection; 17. Mathematics in nature (Fibonacci sequence, golden ratio, e, Pi); 18. Epigenetic control/ placebo, nocepbo effect; 19. Oldest historical records 5,000 years; 20. Altruism contradicts evolution.

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Arlington, VA

#116383 Feb 8, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Its still the town drunk, even when you try to wash it and put it in a tuxedo.
Mock all you want - it's holds true every time, even using your own definitions!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#116384 Feb 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
*** Reasons Why Evolution Never Happened ***(Part 1)
Oh, it's Urb Spamtime again, kids!

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Arlington, VA

#116385 Feb 8, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, it's Urb Spamtime again, kids!
Kids see it as spam but adults see it as valuable information to learn.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116386 Feb 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Kids see it as spam but adults see it as valuable information to learn.
Yes, it is valuable information on how creationists are dishonest debaters. Every single point has been debunked countless times, and yet you continue to post it.

Kids let this be a lesson to you. If you pay attention to creationists you too can grow up to be an ignorant lout.
One way or another

United States

#116387 Feb 8, 2013
The Evo children have to talk about other people, because they are too ignorant to address the subjects and unable to stand on their own two feet. Just watch how they talk to each other about those not like them, instead of addressing the subjects.

They act like they are still in grade school.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#116388 Feb 8, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
Dogen, None of the "evidences" you've listed constitute scientific evidence. Everything you've stated is based on religion. And since when is antatomic converge "conclusive" evidence of evolution? It is quite the opposite. Convergence screams intelligent design. Evolution predicts random outcomes, not identical endpoints.
You cannot logically defend any of your claims without invoking religion.
You can start by stating HOW anatomic convergence proves evolution....

ROTFLMFAO.

Thanks for the joke. I just had surgery yesterday and was in need of a good laugh.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#116389 Feb 8, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution doesn't have one shred of SCIENTIFIC evidence to support it. Let me remind you... stories do not constitute science.
Why don't you logically defend one tenet of evolution with science rather than blindly parroting what you read on atheist websites?

Oh stop it! Your killing me!

atheist websites! You're a scream!

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#116390 Feb 8, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Mugwump... Blindly posting links does not constitute intelligent debate. If you can't logically defend your religion of evolution with science, don't bother setting up smokescreens.

You made a little error in your post. You meant to say "creationism" but interposed "evolution" by accident.

No harm, no foul. Just pointing out the obvious.
One way or another

United States

#116391 Feb 8, 2013
Governments use any and all that allow it. Atheists are used to vilify religion or creationism, because the gov hates sharing power with religion. Science allows their usage, just like atheists, only they hold out for money. Atheists do it for revenge, because their parents weren't smart enough to teach them any better.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Level 5

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#116392 Feb 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
*** Reasons Why Evolution Never Happened ***(Part 2)
E. Biology/Genetics: 1. DNA-RNA-Protein code and programming; 2. Genetic programming code exactly same set of rules in every cell on earth; 3. Irreducibly complex biological systems (bacterial flagellum, blood clotting cascade); 4. Designed complexity (giraffe neck, bombardier beetle & trilobite eye); 5. No intermediates between different kinds; 7. World population growth rates; 8. Extinction of numerous species; 9. Beneficial symbiotic relationship between plants and animals; 10. Life comes only from (same species) life; 11. Woman from man (X/Y Chromosomes); 12. DNA error checking & repair process prevents genetic change; 13. Chromosome count fixed within species; 14. Chromosome errors cause sterility (mules); 15. No possible evolutionary path of bird from reptile (scales/feathers, bellows lung/avian lung, crawling/flying); 16. Mitochondrial Eve 6,000 years ago; 17. Unique properties of humans vs. animals; 18. Telomeres system tightly engineered/extreme sequence conservation and no intermediate/evidence of gradual transition; 19. Single-cell to multi-cell gap; 20. Gene pool (male & female) fixed at parent’s birth/no environmental effect occurs during life of parents; 21. Resistance, i.e., antibiotic or pesticide, does not yield any de novo genes or any complex new functions; 22. Navigational/migrational capabilities of animals, i.e., loggerhead turtle, salmon, hummingbird, Monarch butterfly; 23. Biological symmetry/design patterns of plants and animals, 24. Biological anatomical homologies exhibit variation on a theme by supreme intelligence; 25. Chromosome 2 Fusion Model refuted; 26. All known life only on Earth; 27. Very limited variation in DNA sequence in Y Chromosome worldwide; 28. Evolution cannot explain origins of sexual reproduction; 29. ATP Synthase has no possible forerunner; 30. Biosynthesis/ DNA-ATP-helicase-mRNA-ribosome -tRNA-polymerase: a vicious circle for evolution; 31. Origin of (protein/DNA) homochirality; 32. Redundant organs (lungs, kidneys); 33. Complex defense mechanisms (Giant African Crested Rat); 34. The world’s oldest living thing; 35. Insufficient time/generations to account for 60 million (98%) mutations selected makes human-chimp evolution impossible; 36. The myth of vestigial organs (tailbone, goosebumps, tonsils); 37. Metamorphasis; 38. Origin of photosynthesis; 39. Cold-blooded vs. warm-blooded; 40. Placental vs. marsupial; 41. Egg bearing vs. live birth; 42. Research proves no vertical evolution after numerous generations.
F. Other/Miscellaneous: 1. Bible, Creation, Fall, Flood, Babel, Christ; 2. Duality/human consciousness; 3. Law of cause and effect violated (nothing + nobody = everything premise illogical); 4. Information theory; 5. Language -unique to humans - became less complex over time in opposition to evolution; 6. Beauty of nature (peacock tail), art, music; 7. Second Law of Thermodynamics (universe & everything in it is “waxing” old (“closed system” myth); 8. Mathematical odds against abiogenesis, left-hand protein, prokaryote to eukaryote, sexual reproduction; 9. Specified complexity; 10. Preconditions of intelligibility: laws of logic, absolute morality, & the uniformity of nature; 11. The non-physical, non-material world of literature, art, music, humor, logic and mathematics; 12. Near-death experience data; 13. Organ transplant memory transfer; 14. Complimentary food (fruit/vegetables) designed perfectly (size, shape, nutritional content, flavor) for animals/humans; 15. Fractal geometry in nature; 16. Savantism –(math, music, memory) evidence of over-design (brain) and running counter to natural selection; 17. Mathematics in nature (Fibonacci sequence, golden ratio, e, Pi); 18. Epigenetic control/ placebo, nocepbo effect; 19. Oldest historical records 5,000 years; 20. Altruism contradicts evolution.
Your village called. It seems they miss their idiot.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Level 5

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#116393 Feb 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
*** Reasons Why Evolution Never Happened ***(Part 2)
E. Biology/Genetics: 1. DNA-RNA-Protein code and programming; 2. Genetic programming code exactly same set of rules in every cell on earth; 4. Designed complexity (giraffe neck, bombardier beetle & trilobite eye); 5. No intermediates between different kinds; 6. Genetic entropy and genetic deleterious mutation rate; 7. World population growth rates; 8. Extinction of numerous species; 9. Beneficial symbiotic relationship between plants and animals; 10. Life comes only from (same species) life; 11. Woman from man (X/Y Chromosomes); 12. DNA error checking & repair process prevents genetic change; 13. Chromosome count fixed within species; 14. Chromosome errors cause sterility (mules); 15. No possible evolutionary path of bird from reptile (scales/feathers, bellows lung/avian lung, crawling/flying); 16. Mitochondrial Eve 6,000 years ago; 17. Unique properties of humans vs. animals; 18. Telomeres system tightly engineered/extreme sequence conservation and no intermediate/evidence of gradual transition; 19. Single-cell to multi-cell gap; 20. Gene pool (male & female) fixed at parent’s birth/no environmental effect occurs during life of parents; 21. Resistance, i.e., antibiotic or pesticide, does not yield any de novo genes or any complex new functions; 22. Navigational/migrational capabilities of animals, i.e., loggerhead turtle, salmon, hummingbird, Monarch butterfly; 23. Biological symmetry/design patterns of plants and animals, 24. Biological anatomical homologies exhibit variation on a theme by supreme intelligence; 25. Chromosome 2 Fusion Model refuted; 26. All known life only on Earth; 27. Very limited variation in DNA sequence in Y Chromosome worldwide; 28. Evolution cannot explain origins of sexual reproduction; 29. ATP Synthase has no possible forerunner; 30. Biosynthesis/ DNA-ATP-helicase-mRNA-ribosome -tRNA-polymerase: a vicious circle for evolution; 31. Origin of (protein/DNA) homochirality; 32. Redundant organs (lungs, kidneys); 33. Complex defense mechanisms (Giant African Crested Rat); 34. The world’s oldest living thing; 35. Insufficient time/generations to account for 60 million (98%) mutations selected makes human-chimp evolution impossible; 36. The myth of vestigial organs (tailbone, goosebumps, tonsils); 37. Metamorphasis; 38. Origin of photosynthesis; 39. Cold-blooded vs. warm-blooded; 40. Placental vs. marsupial; 41. Egg bearing vs. live birth; 42. Research proves no vertical evolution after numerous generations.
F. Other/Miscellaneous: 1. Bible, Creation, Fall, Flood, Babel, Christ; 2. Duality/human consciousness; 3. Law of cause and effect violated (nothing + nobody = everything premise illogical); 4. Information theory; 5. Language -unique to humans - became less complex over time in opposition to evolution; 6. Beauty of nature (peacock tail), art, music; 7. Second Law of Thermodynamics (universe & everything in it is “waxing” old (“closed system” myth); 8. Mathematical odds against abiogenesis, left-hand protein, prokaryote to eukaryote, sexual reproduction; 9. Specified complexity; 10. Preconditions of intelligibility: laws of logic, absolute morality, & the uniformity of nature; 11. The non-physical, non-material world of literature, art, music, humor, logic and mathematics; 12. Near-death experience data; 13. Organ transplant memory transfer; 14. Complimentary food (fruit/vegetables) designed perfectly (size, shape, nutritional content, flavor) for animals/humans; 15. Fractal geometry in nature; 16. Savantism –(math, music, memory) evidence of over-design (brain) and running counter to natural selection; 17. Mathematics in nature (Fibonacci sequence, golden ratio, e, Pi); 18. Epigenetic control/ placebo, nocepbo effect; 19. Oldest historical records 5,000 years; 20. Altruism contradicts evolution.
Why do birds have reptilian scales on their feet?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Level 5

Since: Dec 08

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#116394 Feb 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Mock all you want - it's holds true every time, even using your own definitions!
Your village called. Seems they are missing their idiot.
Russell

Adelaide, Australia

#116395 Feb 8, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I am from the God created all the forces of nature including chemistry, on which evolution is based, school.
God created a universe that is capable of life-ing.
Oh, I see
Set the fuse to the Big Bang and then walked away?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116396 Feb 8, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I see
Set the fuse to the Big Bang and then walked away?
We don't even have evidence that God lit the fuse.

How is your search for real science going?
alan

Kansas City, MO

#116397 Feb 8, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't even have evidence that God lit the fuse.
How is your search for real science going?
This just in....."Creation and Evolution are being called fakes." So, a third theory has emerged as credible. Creationism was created because of the third theory and Evolution exist because the third theory exists..........Anyone have a clue what the third theory for human existence is.......?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Level 5

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#116398 Feb 8, 2013
alan wrote:
<quoted text>This just in....."Creation and Evolution are being called fakes." So, a third theory has emerged as credible. Creationism was created because of the third theory and Evolution exist because the third theory exists..........Anyone have a clue what the third theory for human existence is.......?
Intellidumb Design?
alan

Kansas City, MO

#116399 Feb 8, 2013
Oogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Intelligent Design?
Clueless OB? Not in text books, that's a tough one. Not on the net........think OB..The third theory to human existence is..........
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#116400 Feb 8, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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*** examples of creationists telling lies ***(Part 2)
); 12. DNA error checking & repair process prevents genetic change;
13. Chromosome count fixed within species;
14. Chromosome errors cause sterility (mules);
); 16. Mitochondrial Eve 6,000 years ago;
12 : how come we have a few hundred mutations per generation
13. mosaic turner syndrome?
14 : see 13
16 : nope, where did you get this ? MRCA ~ 200,000 years ago

While we at it, you mentioned a few days ago that as many if not more fossils are found out of place than 'in the correct strata'

Asked you about this but guess you missed it (fair enough)- but does roll it up into a nice round number 5

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