Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 Full story: www.scientificblogging.com 173,545

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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#115791 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I don't read it. I work 60-70 hours a week and spend nights and weekends on my hobbies playing guitar and science. Occasionally I get to go flying or scuba diving or boating. That's about all I have time for.

You mean anti-science

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#115793 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Using the tools of operational science is a good thing and has nothing to do with evolution's attempt to interpret history.

"operational science" sounds great but in actually just creationist pseudoscience.
HTS

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#115794 Feb 1, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yeah, Markie says the same thing too. He's also a great big giant fat liar for Jesus. But since he lives in the Bible belt it could be one of those rare times he's telling the truth.
On the other hand, we can provide you with literally hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed papers on the subject of evolution. Very few of which question the validity of evolution as a whole.
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Change in allele frequencies over time. The fact is that life changes over time. We call this evolution. And we couldn't give two figs about your invisible magic Jew-wizard.
Unless of course you've finally managed to come up with a "scientific theory" of IDC for us?
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Didn't think so.
Transmutation from a worm to a man is not simple "changing allele frequencies", so why do you persist in irrelevant extrapolations?
As far as scientific evidence for God... Perhaps you could enlighten me on the significance of the Wheeler delayed choice experiment. How does your paradigm of atheism explain the existence of intelligence in photons of light?
HTS

South Lake Tahoe, CA

#115795 Feb 1, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Sorry you seem to have a problem with comprehension of the written word.- let me help you out ...
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. I don't simply swallow whatever BS is out there on atheist websites. If you have some scientific evidence that HiV is "evolving", let's see it... I would be very interested.

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#115796 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>. I don't simply swallow whatever BS is out there on atheist websites. If you have some scientific evidence that HiV is "evolving", let's see it... I would be very interested.
EVERY living thing is evolving, all the time, it never stops.

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#115797 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have a scientific survey. I know that the majority of physicians I know think goo-to-you evolution is absurd. Any survey that you can site will invariably fail to define "evolution".
Could you provide a list of these physicians so that I can avoid them?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115798 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Transmutation from a worm to a man is not simple "changing allele frequencies", so why do you persist in irrelevant extrapolations?
Why do you insist on irrelevant caricatures?
HTS wrote:
As far as scientific evidence for God... Perhaps you could enlighten me on the significance of the Wheeler delayed choice experiment. How does your paradigm of atheism explain the existence of intelligence in photons of light?
Yet more bastardization of quantum physics by wishful thinking fundies.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115799 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
How does your paradigm of atheism
By the way, I have no idea what you're talking about here. When have I ever argued a positive case for atheism? How are atheism and theism relevant to science?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115800 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>. I don't simply swallow whatever BS is out there on atheist websites. If you have some scientific evidence that HiV is "evolving", let's see it... I would be very interested.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/...

But why lie and claim you're interested when you're not? After all, all you'll do is say it's only "micro" and complain that AIDS hasn't evolved into an aardvark.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115801 Feb 1, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...

Don't forget this now HTS, will you?
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115802 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>. I don't simply swallow whatever BS is out there on atheist websites. If you have some scientific evidence that HiV is "evolving", let's see it... I would be very interested.
Sorry - do you have learning difficulties ?

I am specifically asking you to back up the following claim you made.
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Most physicians who actually practice science consider Darwinian evolution to be largely BS.
Why not just say you made it up then we can move on, currently you are just looking dishonest AND deluded.

Seriously you fundies would make an AWESOME dodgeball team

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#115803 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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We admit a duality of religion and science. You misrepresent ideology and history as "science", i.e., you guys are the ones at fault - not us.

Sorry, but this is not correct. Evolution and all related sciences (basically ALL the sciences) have a method by which observation (data) lead to hypothesis, then testing, refinement, theory, predictions, verification, replication, peer review,....

Creationism just says "goddoneit" and trys to rationalize/distort the evidence to fit the a priori conclusion. That is not science. Never was and never can be.
Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#115804 Feb 1, 2013
appleby wrote:
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Something to ponder. If, say aliens are responsible for life on earth, what would be their point in hiding and leaving no trace of their existence? Life has been on the planet (still no evidence of how it came to be) for 3.5 billion years. It wouldn't make any difference to fish, frogs, deer or dogs whether or not aliens were on the planet, so why would they hide?
As we explore we leave our artifacts everywhere we go, the moon, mars, even on asteroids. We don't try to cover our tracks on mars, hoping to fool some future life form into believing that god did it.
They don't hide. Thousands of sightings, close encounters, abductions and MIB encounters happen all the time. Humans that have not had an encounter do not believe the ones that have had encounters. The reason no evidence is found is because they control and munipulate the human animal.

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#115805 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Yes, on the subject. And not a one proves macroevolution true. Isn't it about time to consider an alternative?

If there was an alternative it would be considered. But no one has come up with a scientifically viable alternative even after 150 years of trying

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#115806 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Transmutation from a worm to a man is not simple "changing allele frequencies", so why do you persist in irrelevant extrapolations?
As far as scientific evidence for God... Perhaps you could enlighten me on the significance of the Wheeler delayed choice experiment. How does your paradigm of atheism explain the existence of intelligence in photons of light?

"Intelligence" of photons?

You have access to good drugs.

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#115807 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>. I don't simply swallow whatever BS is out there on atheist websites. If you have some scientific evidence that HiV is "evolving", let's see it... I would be very interested.

https://www.google.com/search...

About 15,900,000 results (0.22 seconds)

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#115808 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>I can't imagine why you'd want to bring up ERV's... The failed junk DNA debacle only further debunks evolution. I didn't reference it only to spare you further embarrassment.

ERVs are one of the proofs of evolution. There is no other way to explain them that actually fits the facts.

By "junk DNA" I assume you mean non protein coding DNA. That does nothing to support creotardism. In fact the non-protein coding portions of DNA contain further proofs of evolution. not exactly something an antiscience buff such as yourself would want to draw attention to.

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#115809 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Your philosophical opinion that atheism is irrelevant to evolution is likewise irrelevant.

Fact: the first mechanism of evolution was discovered by a Christian.
Fact: the nested hierarchy of evolution was discovered by a Christian.
Fact: some of the greatest evolutionary biologists were/are Christians.
Fact: The secrets of the ultimate proof of evolution (DNA) was proposed and discovered by a Christian.

Therefore: atheism is irrelevant to evolution.

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#115810 Feb 1, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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It's not an opinion. The scientific theory of evolution makes no theological opinions. If you wanna complain that it's "atheistic" then you could make the same complaint about EVERY single currently accepted field of science. As none of those make any theological claims either.
That's why your local weather reporter doesn't mention the wrath of the Gods when it rains, and why gravity doesn't mention anything about intelligent falling.

Actually this atheist driven conspiracy goes even further than you might imagine.

Bowling makes no theological claims.
Kite flying makes no theological claims.
table fan design makes no theological claims.
Silver mining makes no theological claims.
Thumb twiddling! Thumb twiddling makes NO theological claims!

And,... here is the kicker

DIPPER CHANGING! Dipper changing makes NOT ONE SINGLE theological claim.

G.D. atheists are running EVERYTHING!

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#115811 Feb 1, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>ERV's have long been labeled as junk DNA.

Um... better look that up again. ERVs can occur in either coding or non protein coding portions of DNA. The ERVs themselves can be functional or non-functional in terms of protein coding.

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