Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Go boom.
Irony meter duz it.
I notice you didn't provide Cowboy the help he needed to deal with ERV's.
It always goes that way...
I can't imagine why you'd want to bring up ERV's... The failed junk DNA debacle only further debunks evolution. I didn't reference it only to spare you further embarrassment.
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Talking of which - you ready to back up your claim about how most physicians reject evolution?
You know - just so we know you have ANY IDEA what you are talking about.
Or was I right in my initial assessment that you were making shit up?
Ball is in your court.
If you want to get into the HIV/AIDS debate then be my guest... HIV has not "evolved"... Where are you getting your information?
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No, strict adherence to theism equals no morality, for reasons already explained.
And subsequently avoided just like everything else.
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1 - Philosophy is irrelevant to the validity of science, period.
2 - Evolution is not atheism, period.
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His philosophical opinions are still irrelevant. Repeating them 6 months later doesn't change a thing.
Your philosophical opinion that atheism is irrelevant to evolution is likewise irrelevant.
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No need to deny it. ERV's are in the present. They are tested in the present. Therefore either we CAN make scientific determinations on historical evidence, or it's not historical evidence but we CAN still make determinations regarding events of the past.
This is why science works. And even the courts don't buy your apologetics for "How do YOU know? Where you THERE?!?" either.
ERV's represent a classic failed prediction of Darwinism.
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HTS wrote:
<quoted text>I can't imagine why you'd want to bring up ERV's... The failed junk DNA debacle only further debunks evolution. I didn't reference it only to spare you further embarrassment.
In that case you should have no problem in addressing it then.

Oh, and I didn't say junk DNA (which was already addressed), I said ERV's. You uh, DO know the difference, don't you? Being a 4 year med student with a degree and all?
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HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Your philosophical opinion that atheism is irrelevant to evolution is likewise irrelevant.
It's not an opinion. The scientific theory of evolution makes no theological opinions. If you wanna complain that it's "atheistic" then you could make the same complaint about EVERY single currently accepted field of science. As none of those make any theological claims either.

That's why your local weather reporter doesn't mention the wrath of the Gods when it rains, and why gravity doesn't mention anything about intelligent falling.

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<quoted text>If you want to get into the HIV/AIDS debate then be my guest... HIV has not "evolved"... Where are you getting your information?
Your claim was that most physicians reject evolution. So leave the goalposts where they are and back up your claim.

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<quoted text>ERV's represent a classic failed prediction of Darwinism.
You are doing things backwards again. ERV's are part of the evidence of evolution and helped us to understand why some things didn't fit.
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In that case you should have no problem in addressing it then.
Oh, and I didn't say junk DNA (which was already addressed), I said ERV's. You uh, DO know the difference, don't you? Being a 4 year med student with a degree and all?
ERV's have long been labeled as junk DNA.
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Your claim was that most physicians reject evolution. So leave the goalposts where they are and back up your claim.
I don't have a scientific survey. I know that the majority of physicians I know think goo-to-you evolution is absurd. Any survey that you can site will invariably fail to define "evolution".

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<quoted text>I don't have a scientific survey. I know that the majority of physicians I know think goo-to-you evolution is absurd. Any survey that you can site will invariably fail to define "evolution".
Then you don't know many competent physicians.
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<quoted text>ERV's have long been labeled as junk DNA.
So snap to it.(shrug)
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<quoted text>I don't have a scientific survey. I know that the majority of physicians I know think goo-to-you evolution is absurd.
Yeah, Markie says the same thing too. He's also a great big giant fat liar for Jesus. But since he lives in the Bible belt it could be one of those rare times he's telling the truth.

On the other hand, we can provide you with literally hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed papers on the subject of evolution. Very few of which question the validity of evolution as a whole.
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Any survey that you can site will invariably fail to define "evolution".
Change in allele frequencies over time. The fact is that life changes over time. We call this evolution. And we couldn't give two figs about your invisible magic Jew-wizard.

Unless of course you've finally managed to come up with a "scientific theory" of IDC for us?

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Yeah, Markie says the same thing too. He's also a great big giant fat liar for Jesus. But since he lives in the Bible belt it could be one of those rare times he's telling the truth.
On the other hand, we can provide you with literally hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed papers on the subject of evolution. Very few of which question the validity of evolution as a whole.
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Change in allele frequencies over time. The fact is that life changes over time. We call this evolution. And we couldn't give two figs about your invisible magic Jew-wizard.
Unless of course you've f
inally managed to come up with a "scientific theory" of IDC for us?
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Didn't think so.
Dude, you certainly have turned into a sour puss. Losing all the time must be much fun.

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On the other hand, we can provide you with literally hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed papers on the subject of evolution.
Yes, on the subject. And not a one proves macroevolution true. Isn't it about time to consider an alternative?
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HTS wrote:
<quoted text>If you want to get into the HIV/AIDS debate then be my guest... HIV has not "evolved"... Where are you getting your information?
Sorry you seem to have a problem with comprehension of the written word.- let me help you out ...

You said
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<quoted text>Most physicians who actually practice science consider Darwinian evolution to be largely BS.
I and others asked you to back this up

You constantly ignore the point

Conclusion : you make shit up.

Sorry I REALLY don't see how I can dumb it down to your level anymore - maybe wax crayons?
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Dude, you certainly have turned into a sour puss. Losing all the time must be much fun.
Same old Dude as I've always been. Ain't lost to you yet.(shrug)
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Yes, on the subject. And not a one proves macroevolution true.
Why of course not. Ignoring of course the shedloads of inconvenient facts you've avoided for three years or something.
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Isn't it about time to consider an alternative?
Well I dunno. How about invisible magical Jewish wizards? That's scientific, right?
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Sorry I REALLY don't see how I can dumb it down to your level anymore
Cowboy could probably help.

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appleboy wrote:
<quoted text>Something to ponder. If, say aliens are responsible for life on earth, what would be their point in hiding and leaving no trace of their existence? Life has been on the planet (still no evidence of how it came to be) for 3.5 billion years. It wouldn't make any difference to fish, frogs, deer or dogs whether or not aliens were on the planet, so why would they hide?

As we explore we leave our artifacts everywhere we go, the moon, mars, even on astroids. We don't try to cover our tracks on mars, hoping to fool some future life form into believing that goddidit.
Maybe they were dying out because their planet wasnt habitable anymore due to global warming so they found this place, tried to survive but couldnt so their leftover DNA mutated and then evolved and turned into earth life.

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