Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."
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Ah, the old creationist "historical science" argument. You need some updated arguments, Urb.
Still holds true. Note that it also applies to creationists. The only difference is we honestly recognize it as such while evolutionists deny it.

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Urban Cowboy wrote:
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More wrong assumptions from you. I don't get FOX. I don't have cable.
You can watch them on YouTube as well. You can also read their blog posts, or read the blog of one of their fans. But you said things that originated with specifically two of their talking heads ... well talking isn't very accurate, more like screaming and ranting insane nonsense about conspiracies and the Illuminati and crap like that.
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Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Are you living under a rock?
Nope. In a very nice house surrounded by fields and forest.

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You have been watching Fox's conspiracy nuts a bit too much.
Even better.

Have you seen Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory?

Best comedy on the tube ever.

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Dogen wrote:
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I think the "true atheist" thing is just like the "true christian" thing. It can be used as a way of excluding the ones you don't want in that category.
However, the atheists I know are calmer and more rational AS A GROUP than the average Christians I know. But if you want to compare the BEST each group has to offer. There it is a lot closer.
But I don't believe that any western religion makes anyone a 'better person'. Eastern religions make an effort to do this as part of the practice. But adherents of western religions are just expected to magically be better. It just doesn't work that way. Not in reality.
I should have included a picture of myself with my tongue stuck in my cheek. Or perhaps I should have said that all true left handed people are peaceful by nature.

I am a firm believer in the idea that people are pretty much the same anywhere you find them. Where religion, or any set of social values takes hold, the majority will follow. I also think that there are some social conditions that tend to be a driver for social actions anywhere you go. Like for instance, poverty, ignorance and disease can make a very strong contribution to spreading intolerant social values.

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Alien Outlaw wrote:
The God/Devil, Heaven/Hell, Adam and Eve are fiction based fantasy worlds. Learned human behavior, nothing more. Humans will never evolve to be truly intelligent unless they understand who actually controls and munipulates their world. Its not a God. And, because the God seed has been planted its not even an issue......Humans will go extinct before they realize the truth.
Something to ponder. If, say aliens are responsible for life on earth, what would be their point in hiding and leaving no trace of their existence? Life has been on the planet (still no evidence of how it came to be) for 3.5 billion years. It wouldn't make any difference to fish, frogs, deer or dogs whether or not aliens were on the planet, so why would they hide?

As we explore we leave our artifacts everywhere we go, the moon, mars, even on astroids. We don't try to cover our tracks on mars, hoping to fool some future life form into believing that goddidit.
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Dogen wrote:
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Vaccines need to stay a step ahead of evolution.
We would have licked AIDs 15 years ago if the dang thing did not keep evolving.
You have NO IDEA what you're talking about.

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Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You just contradicted yourself. Bigtime.


Surely you can point out the contradiction then.


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By definition, science produces theories to explain what is observed, and make predictions about what will be observed in given conditions etc.
Evolution is a theory that both explains what is observed and has made innumerable successful predictions about what should be observed.
Therefore it is science, and very successful science as well.
On the other hand, your Biblical Literalism makes predictions which continually fail in the fossil record, in biology in geology, astronomy, and physics.

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WHAT a load of crap. "true atheists" are as dogmatically loaded as their adversaries and just as full of shit. You disgust me.
Sorry, I forgot to turn on the humor button.
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Because of evolutionary based morals that are in all of us.
Atheism equals no morality. The philosophical consequences of a belief in evolution can be encapsulated in the following statement by William B Provine, Ph.D., a renowned historian of science and professor at Cornell University:
"Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent."*


*(Provine W.B., "Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life." Abstract of Prof. William B. Provine's 1998 "Darwin Day address, "Darwin Day" website, University of Tennessee Knoxville TN, 1998

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More wrong assumptions from you. I don't get FOX. I don't have cable.

I suspect you have access to something even more extreme and wacko than FoxNews. WND perhaps?

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Your "real science" is not even science - it's history. You study history. What you always promote are theories about how things may have happened in the past. By definition, that is not science. We should focus on the present, the observable, testable, repeatable present. Everything else is history or even religion, to be honest.
So, there should be no guilty verdicts in murder cases. Got it.

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<quoted text>What "evidence" is there that a whale "naturally" evolved a migratory instinct? You don't even understand its mechanism. What makes you so certain that processes that no one understands came into existence without intelligent design?
So, you must be prepared to say what COULD happen without intelligent design, yes? Could water boil? Could fire burn? Could chemical reactions happen? You must know.

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Still holds true. Note that it also applies to creationists. The only difference is we honestly recognize it as such while evolutionists deny it.

lol. Thanks for that. I am doing reports all day today and needed a chuckle.

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I should have included a picture of myself with my tongue stuck in my cheek. Or perhaps I should have said that all true left handed people are peaceful by nature.
I am a firm believer in the idea that people are pretty much the same anywhere you find them. Where religion, or any set of social values takes hold, the majority will follow. I also think that there are some social conditions that tend to be a driver for social actions anywhere you go. Like for instance, poverty, ignorance and disease can make a very strong contribution to spreading intolerant social values.

My rant was more of a take off of your post rather than an argument.

Affluence can affluence can also make a strong contribution to spreading intolerant social values.

Again, a take off.
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You can watch them on YouTube as well. You can also read their blog posts, or read the blog of one of their fans. But you said things that originated with specifically two of their talking heads ... well talking isn't very accurate, more like screaming and ranting insane nonsense about conspiracies and the Illuminati and crap like that.
I don't read it. I work 60-70 hours a week and spend nights and weekends on my hobbies playing guitar and science. Occasionally I get to go flying or scuba diving or boating. That's about all I have time for.
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HTS wrote:
<quoted text> Atheism equals no morality.
Atheism means everyone has the responsibility to decide upon their own morality, instead of delegating that responsibility to a book written by men that lived long ago in a time that bares almost no resemblance to the one in which we now live.
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HTS wrote:
<quoted text>You have NO IDEA what you're talking about.
I stopped responding to Dogen a long time ago. Him and a guy named Dutchy are the nuttiest of the bunch. Chimney is the only one with any brains but he is also one of the most radical.

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So, there should be no guilty verdicts in murder cases. Got it.
Using the tools of operational science is a good thing and has nothing to do with evolution's attempt to interpret history.

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<quoted text> Atheism equals no morality. The philosophical consequences of a belief in evolution can be encapsulated in the following statement by William B Provine, Ph.D., a renowned historian of science and professor at Cornell University:
"Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent."*
*(Provine W.B., "Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life." Abstract of Prof. William B. Provine's 1998 "Darwin Day address, "Darwin Day" website, University of Tennessee Knoxville TN, 1998
Just because someone is a professor at a Ivy League school does not mean that he is correct. He could be a kook. Let's look at his foolish claims>

1. No god worth having exist. Hmm, he could be right there. So what? Is that supposed to be some kind of loss? Compare no god existing to the terribly vain and evilly egotistical god of the Christian Bible. Is he worth worshiping? I don't think so. Yet that is what your hellish after life is supposed to consist of.

2. no life after death exist. Yup, that is probably the case. And Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not real either. Time to grow up.

3. No ultimate foundation for ethics exist. Now that is clearly false. Do you seriously need to be told what is right and wrong? Actually Christianity is very attractive to many psychopaths so maybe for them the answer is yes.

4. No ultimate meaning for life exists. Again, how did this guy even get a degree. If you need to go to a god for your meaning in life it shows a very arrested moral development.

5. Human free will is non-existent. WTF!?!? How did he come to that idiotic conclusion. In fact many Christians, Calvinists for example, do not believe in free will. And they can put up a good argument for it. This guy can't.

Sorry, like most people you creatards like to go to for support, there is no "there" there.

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