Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180393 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#115721 Feb 1, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Already asked - guess what ?
No response - going out on a limb but suspect he was making shit up .
Ya think???
Urban Cowboy

Arlington, VA

#115722 Feb 1, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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By definition, science produces theories to explain what is observed, and make predictions about what will be observed in given conditions etc.
Evolution is a theory that both explains what is observed and has made innumerable successful predictions about what should be observed.
Therefore it is science, and very successful science as well.
On the other hand, your Biblical Literalism makes predictions which continually fail in the fossil record, in biology in geology, astronomy, and physics.
You just contradicted yourself. Bigtime.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#115723 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Your "real science" is not even science - it's history. You study history. What you always promote are theories about how things may have happened in the past. By definition, that is not science. We should focus on the present, the observable, testable, repeatable present. Everything else is history or even religion, to be honest.
Ah, the old creationist "historical science" argument. You need some updated arguments, Urb.
Mugwump

UK

#115724 Feb 1, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Ya think???
What is it about fundies that they always dodge requests to back up the more obvious lies that they spout.

Recall Russell on another thread - caught him out in an obvious strawman and he refused to acknowledge his lie - you would think they would have more humility

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#115725 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Not true. Ever hear of partial-birth abortion? They're even thinking of legalizing abortion after live birth up until some point in time in the child's life. The whole thing is basically sickening. And as far as your other crazy comments, as I said before, you can't make sweeping, bigoted generalizations about a few isolated cases of corrupt cults and whatnot. That is just ignorance.
You have been watching Fox's conspiracy nuts a bit too much.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#115726 Feb 1, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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What is it about fundies that they always dodge requests to back up the more obvious lies that they spout.
Recall Russell on another thread - caught him out in an obvious strawman and he refused to acknowledge his lie - you would think they would have more humility
What can you expect from people that regurgitate the lies of others while bitching about 'critical thinking' in the classroom.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#115727 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Not true. Ever hear of partial-birth abortion? They're even thinking of legalizing abortion after live birth up until some point in time in the child's life. The whole thing is basically sickening. And as far as your other crazy comments, as I said before, you can't make sweeping, bigoted generalizations about a few isolated cases of corrupt cults and whatnot. That is just ignorance.
Where do you dig up this garbage? Put more tinfoil in your hat.
right

United States

#115728 Feb 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>First, no one intelligent is ever saying we're "alone" in the universe, life on other planets is not only a possibility but a statistical certainty. However, life being intelligent enough to travel to us from even the nearest star within a reasonable time is an impossibility because you can't travel faster than light, at least not with our level of technology and we're probably the first intelligent life forms capable of space travel to exist based on the known age of the universe.

But all that aside, you really think some species capable of travel that far would be interested in sticking things up another specie's butts? Even the Star Trek nerds aren't that stupid.
HAHAHAHA!!! Sticking things up butts!!! Maybe they stick probes in butts not because they are being scientific, but because they are intergalactic perverts.
Urban Cowboy

Arlington, VA

#115729 Feb 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You have been watching Fox's conspiracy nuts a bit too much.
More wrong assumptions from you. I don't get FOX. I don't have cable.
Urban Cowboy

Arlington, VA

#115730 Feb 1, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>Where do you dig up this garbage? Put more tinfoil in your hat.
Are you living under a rock?
Urban Cowboy

Arlington, VA

#115731 Feb 1, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Ah, the old creationist "historical science" argument. You need some updated arguments, Urb.
Still holds true. Note that it also applies to creationists. The only difference is we honestly recognize it as such while evolutionists deny it.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#115732 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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More wrong assumptions from you. I don't get FOX. I don't have cable.
You can watch them on YouTube as well. You can also read their blog posts, or read the blog of one of their fans. But you said things that originated with specifically two of their talking heads ... well talking isn't very accurate, more like screaming and ranting insane nonsense about conspiracies and the Illuminati and crap like that.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#115733 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Are you living under a rock?
Nope. In a very nice house surrounded by fields and forest.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#115734 Feb 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You have been watching Fox's conspiracy nuts a bit too much.
Even better.

Have you seen Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory?

Best comedy on the tube ever.

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115735 Feb 1, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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I think the "true atheist" thing is just like the "true christian" thing. It can be used as a way of excluding the ones you don't want in that category.
However, the atheists I know are calmer and more rational AS A GROUP than the average Christians I know. But if you want to compare the BEST each group has to offer. There it is a lot closer.
But I don't believe that any western religion makes anyone a 'better person'. Eastern religions make an effort to do this as part of the practice. But adherents of western religions are just expected to magically be better. It just doesn't work that way. Not in reality.
I should have included a picture of myself with my tongue stuck in my cheek. Or perhaps I should have said that all true left handed people are peaceful by nature.

I am a firm believer in the idea that people are pretty much the same anywhere you find them. Where religion, or any set of social values takes hold, the majority will follow. I also think that there are some social conditions that tend to be a driver for social actions anywhere you go. Like for instance, poverty, ignorance and disease can make a very strong contribution to spreading intolerant social values.

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115736 Feb 1, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
The God/Devil, Heaven/Hell, Adam and Eve are fiction based fantasy worlds. Learned human behavior, nothing more. Humans will never evolve to be truly intelligent unless they understand who actually controls and munipulates their world. Its not a God. And, because the God seed has been planted its not even an issue......Humans will go extinct before they realize the truth.
Something to ponder. If, say aliens are responsible for life on earth, what would be their point in hiding and leaving no trace of their existence? Life has been on the planet (still no evidence of how it came to be) for 3.5 billion years. It wouldn't make any difference to fish, frogs, deer or dogs whether or not aliens were on the planet, so why would they hide?

As we explore we leave our artifacts everywhere we go, the moon, mars, even on astroids. We don't try to cover our tracks on mars, hoping to fool some future life form into believing that goddidit.
HTS

South Lake Tahoe, CA

#115737 Feb 1, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Vaccines need to stay a step ahead of evolution.
We would have licked AIDs 15 years ago if the dang thing did not keep evolving.
You have NO IDEA what you're talking about.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#115738 Feb 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You just contradicted yourself. Bigtime.


Surely you can point out the contradiction then.


Chimney1 wrote:
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By definition, science produces theories to explain what is observed, and make predictions about what will be observed in given conditions etc.
Evolution is a theory that both explains what is observed and has made innumerable successful predictions about what should be observed.
Therefore it is science, and very successful science as well.
On the other hand, your Biblical Literalism makes predictions which continually fail in the fossil record, in biology in geology, astronomy, and physics.

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115739 Feb 1, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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WHAT a load of crap. "true atheists" are as dogmatically loaded as their adversaries and just as full of shit. You disgust me.
Sorry, I forgot to turn on the humor button.
HTS

South Lake Tahoe, CA

#115740 Feb 1, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Because of evolutionary based morals that are in all of us.
Atheism equals no morality. The philosophical consequences of a belief in evolution can be encapsulated in the following statement by William B Provine, Ph.D., a renowned historian of science and professor at Cornell University:
"Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent."*


*(Provine W.B., "Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life." Abstract of Prof. William B. Provine's 1998 "Darwin Day address, "Darwin Day" website, University of Tennessee Knoxville TN, 1998

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