Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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Albuquerque

#115450 Jan 29, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I am the one being objective here! Yes, we observe diversity within species. No, evolution doesn't explain it; in fact, diversity exists in spite of evolution! In every single case, the organism was found as it always is found. You'd think this would be a clue.
Hey, Urban, how you doing.

I see you are still arguing that magic is the best explanation of the diversity of life on earth. Though it is an attractive hypothesis for its simplemindedness I just don't find it to be a very satisfying explanation.

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#115451 Jan 29, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You are the one being objective here???????
You caused me to spew my Diet Coke all over the place.
Not one single organism is unchanged over evolutionary time period. Even "living fossils" are significantly different from their ancestors in the fossil record.
You'd think this would be a clue.
Be patient. UC is taking classes in biology. He hasn't yet gotten to the chapter on reproduction, where it explains that every generation of each species produces near (but not exactly the same) copies of the parent generation. At some point it will hit him that, OMG, macroevolution is just lots and lots and lots of microevolution.

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#115452 Jan 29, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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The record indicates that any particular species has always been the same species.
So you are saying that humans should still be classified as H. erectus?

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#115453 Jan 29, 2013
Y'all wouldn't strain at a gnat and swallow a camel would ya?

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#115454 Jan 29, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Splitting hairs? lol Ya don't say!
Well ya, I'd call it splitting hairs. It seems to me that Jimbo is just hoping to convince people that he is so smart that Newton and Einstein would be impressed with his grand vision. He hopes to deflect people from seeing the poverty of knowledge that he feels is inside him. Dogan would contend that Jimbo has actually succeeded in fooling himself. Only Jimbo can say for sure.

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#115455 Jan 29, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Gullible people believe anything.
Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.- Chip Todd

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#115456 Jan 29, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Have you noticed how he has all but given up with actually engaging in discussion now ?
I have asked him 4 times (my limit) to post what he thinks is his best 'new science' and we can discuss it rationally - the fact that he just goes into 'spamalot' mode suggests that maybe he knows he can't defend any of it.
In some ways this is maybe a pointer that he is'nt completly 'gone' and has some self awareness
Bingo!

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#115457 Jan 29, 2013
appleboy wrote:
<quoted text>Well ya, I'd call it splitting hairs. It seems to me that Jimbo is just hoping to convince people that he is so smart that Newton and Einstein would be impressed with his grand vision. He hopes to deflect people from seeing the poverty of knowledge that he feels is inside him. Dogan would contend that Jimbo has actually succeeded in fooling himself. Only Jimbo can say for sure.
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One way or another

United States

#115458 Jan 29, 2013
Will

Mid Atlantic mountains width

Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence

I told you children to be aware of a game of chess. I kept you looking in one place, making you feel comfortable and getting you to do exactly what you did, thanks.

Now children, ask yourselves, how wide are the mountains at the mid Atlantic ridge? They surely aren't 67,500 miles wide
The width of the mountains should equal the movement of those plates and science claims that in one million years, the plates lose approximately 15 miles, so if the earth is 4.5 billion years old and one million divided into 4.5 billion is 4500, then multiply 15times 4500, which equals 67,500 miles of lost plate. The width of the mountains at the mid atl ridge is minuscule, so please explain how that can be, when the width of the mountain range should be, 67,500. as the mountain range is the only place that shows the addition of material.

Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115459 Jan 29, 2013
Has anyone noticed that some of Jimbos new science has a SEEMINGLY random word at the top.

I am thinking if we can decipher the code - it could be the pass phrase into Narnia.

To be fair it is more likely to be a rearrangement of the following words

Delusional
Realise
F$&kwit
I
Am
A
I

But what do I know - I am not typing this on my diamond encrusted Ipad as I sit on a throne of gold made from my millions from pet psychology last year.
One way or another

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#115460 Jan 29, 2013
Right

Seeing back in time

Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence

Science claims we are seeing back into time, some 14 billion years ago. Science claims that we can see that far back in time, because the light from those distant worlds and galaxies have been traveling here for those billions of years and that by such, we are looking back in time. That simply cannot be, according to science.

Simple light cannot carry images of those far off worlds and galaxies to our telescopes, meaning, our telescopes see out to that light, illuminating those entities, disproving relativity, gravitational lensing and light theory.

That's why I said, light cannot carry images of those worlds and galaxies, meaning, if their light speed and theory were true, we could see the light, but not the worlds or galaxies, because images cannot be carried on light.

former CIA Director, William Casey,“We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

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#115461 Jan 29, 2013
For Aslan!

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#115462 Jan 29, 2013
I think Jimbozo is lying about making it to the 10th grade.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115463 Jan 29, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
For Aslan!
:-)

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nowhere near a pound of $100's

#115464 Jan 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
I think Jimbozo is lying about making it to the 10th grade.
It does seem as though he had a very long 9th grade career in any case, perhaps even a record setter!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115465 Jan 29, 2013
One way or another wrote:
If you children can refute what I write, I'll stop writing it. You keep lying, claiming you already did, but that's all ya got.
Actually I usually only really read your first and last lines. I mean, you don't refute us so why should we indulge your irrelevant tangents and refute you?(shrug)

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#115466 Jan 29, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Have you noticed how he has all but given up with actually engaging in discussion now ?
I have asked him 4 times (my limit) to post what he thinks is his best 'new science' and we can discuss it rationally - the fact that he just goes into 'spamalot' mode suggests that maybe he knows he can't defend any of it.
In some ways this is maybe a pointer that he is'nt completly 'gone' and has some self awareness

People with delusional disorder are not completely gone. If they were completely taken over by the disorder he would have schizophrenia. One of my former clients was very pleasant to talk to and was very educated and could talk about a number of subjects, but once she got into her delusional material,.... It was absolutely crazy and ABSOLUTELY REAL to her. I could never challenge it in a straight forward manor. I had to work at developing the therapeutic relationship and gradual work at the underpinnings of her ideas. That was real work! Give me someone with full fledged schizophrenia any day of the week!

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#115467 Jan 29, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.- Chip Todd

I was just talking to one of the administrators where I world about this. We were joking about the phrase "knowledge is power" and the irony involved in that.

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#115468 Jan 29, 2013
So we're talking about psychology now? Cool
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115469 Jan 29, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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People with delusional disorder are not completely gone. If they were completely taken over by the disorder he would have schizophrenia. One of my former clients was very pleasant to talk to and was very educated and could talk about a number of subjects, but once she got into her delusional material,.... It was absolutely crazy and ABSOLUTELY REAL to her. I could never challenge it in a straight forward manor. I had to work at developing the therapeutic relationship and gradual work at the underpinnings of her ideas. That was real work! Give me someone with full fledged schizophrenia any day of the week!
Interesting insight -

sorry was in no way tying to tread on your diagnostic toes as it were - am actually interested in what makes someone like Jimbo tick.

And I guess if the 'clique' can actually help him or not.

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