Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 Full story: www.scientificblogging.com 176,180

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#115247 Jan 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Kong, I see you've been nailed to the wall. Now you're falling prey to the classical logical fallacy of the false alternative. You cannot logically defend a scientific theory by ranting about your disbelief in God. Your personal incredulity is irrelevant to science.
Not a fallacy, there is evidence that suggest everything was done naturally, with no supernatural influence. You cannot present any evidence of your god, therefore, your god is dismissed. That's how logic works.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115248 Jan 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Varves don't stand a chance and neither do plate tech tonics. Anything else?
Mid Atlantic mountains width
Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence
I told you children to be aware of a game of chess. I kept you looking in one place, making you feel comfortable and getting you to do exactly what you did, thanks.
Now children, ask yourselves, how wide are the mountains at the mid Atlantic ridge? They surely aren't 67,500 miles wide
The width of the mountains should equal the movement of those plates and science claims that in one million years, the plates lose approximately 15 miles, so if the earth is 4.5 billion years old and one million divided into 4.5 billion is 4500, then multiply 15times 4500, which equals 67,500 miles of lost plate. The width of the mountains at the mid atl ridge is minuscule, so please explain how that can be, when the width of the mountain range should be, 67,500. as the mountain range is the only place that shows the addition of material.
Jim can I suggest an improvement to your file-system?

You obviously have all of these examples stored on your PC in a word document or notepad.

Why don't you ALSO store the responses that various people have posted to show where you are wrong.

Probably best to store each of your new ideas in seperate documents - I would suggest a naming convention like the following

Nonsense_varves.doc
rebutal_varves_1.doc
rebutal_varves_2.doc
rebutal_varves_3.doc
rebutal_varves_4.doc

Nonsense_speedoflight.doc
Rebuttal_speedoflight_1.doc
Rebuttal_speedoflight_2.doc
Rebuttal_speedoflight_3.doc

And so on (you may need to purchase some more PC storage for the rebuttal docs.

You see if you adopt this filling system, BEFORE you paste you already rebuffed nonsense YET AGAIN, you can check to see if anyone has already addressed the nonsense already - and not waste your valuable time..

If you want to go the extra mile you can set up a simple database (open office is good and free) and store the nonsense and rebuttals in that - that way you can do reports such as
Most frequently posted nonsense
Most often rebutted nonsense
And so on.

Make sense jimbo?- as I say if you adopted a better organizational policy you can save a lot of time, which you could use to read a science book/take your meds

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115249 Jan 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>What misconceptions and logical fallacies? You are obviously a total stranger to experimental science if you think evolution remotely qualifies as science.
The ToE is not predictive of future generations of any species, nor does it claim to be predictive. The fossil record shows us the paths that life HAS taken.

You keep pretending that the theory of evolution depends on fake principles that do not actually apply to evolution. You have yet to provide any evidence for ID.

“Don't get me started”

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115250 Jan 26, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>How about four years of medical school?
It's not likely that you've even had four HOURS of medical school. You would already have presented some basic understanding of biology. All you have shown is an impotent bluff.

“Don't get me started”

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115251 Jan 26, 2013
nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>Im not the one praying and talking to a ghost. Futher out there.
You seem to be fixating on goddidit as a reasonable alternative to aliens. But either way, there's no science involved.

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115252 Jan 26, 2013
Adam and Steve wrote:
<quoted text>2 questions: 1)Are we alone in the universe? and 2)Is the God/Jesus story true or a fable?
1) Another name change will not convince anyone that there are many others like you supporting the same alien conspiracy theory.

2) Maybe there are other life forms out there, maybe not. So far we have no evidence to come to any conclusion.

3) The God/Jesus story is a fable, like all current alien conspiracy fables.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115253 Jan 26, 2013
Adam and Steve wrote:
<quoted text>2 questions: 1)Are we alone in the universe? and 2)Is the God/Jesus story true or a fable?
1 - Too early to tell.

2 - Currently not supported by evidence. Possible, but certain things like global floods, talking lizards and donkeys, and Flat Earth are fables. Unless of course magic happens to be real. But that has little to do with science.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115254 Jan 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Evolutionist scientists like congress, lie their asses off for grants and their paychecks.
Ah, conspiracy theorists. The last resort of the ignorant people who have no evidence because they are unable to back themselves up.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115255 Jan 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Without hard evidence, there is no science. Evolution offers no hard science.
We have.

When are you gonna get around to addressing it?

Answer - when Jesus comes back.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115256 Jan 26, 2013
Adam and Steve wrote:
<quoted text>For #1 we got a "Maybe" and a "Probable not". Nice. The question was, "Are we alone in the universe?" There is hope for the human race. In primitive terms humans still believe in the God theory. Going forward, humans are at a fast pace to search for and make contact with an advanced civilization. We have seen things most humans would never talk about. Those advanced being they are searching for will never make contact with humaniods.......Wait, they already do. They study and control the human animal. Its scary but true.
We still don't give a crud about your little green/grey men.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115257 Jan 26, 2013
appleboy wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not likely that you've even had four HOURS of medical school. You would already have presented some basic understanding of biology. All you have shown is an impotent bluff.
And it's the same one he's been making for years. It ain't the first time HTS has shown up on these forums. We already know he's a lying sack.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#115258 Jan 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Without hard evidence, there is no science. Evolution offers no hard science.
Endogenous Retroviruses
One way or another

United States

#115259 Jan 26, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Endogenous Retroviruses
Can you debate this subject fully?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

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Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#115260 Jan 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you debate this subject fully?
It depends... Can you read?

From: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/secti...

Endogenous retroviruses provide yet another example of molecular sequence evidence for universal common descent. Endogenous retroviruses are molecular remnants of a past parasitic viral infection. Occasionally, copies of a retrovirus genome are found in its host's genome, and these retroviral gene copies are called endogenous retroviral sequences. Retroviruses (like the AIDS virus or HTLV1, which causes a form of leukemia) make a DNA copy of their own viral genome and insert it into their host's genome. If this happens to a germ line cell (i.e. the sperm or egg cells) the retroviral DNA will be inherited by descendants of the host. Again, this process is rare and fairly random, so finding retrogenes in identical chromosomal positions of two different species indicates common ancestry.
One way or another

United States

#115261 Jan 26, 2013
Does anyone here think they can argue Endogenous Retroviruses?
One way or another

United States

#115262 Jan 26, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
It depends... Can you read?
From: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/secti...
Endogenous retroviruses provide yet another example of molecular sequence evidence for universal common descent. Endogenous retroviruses are molecular remnants of a past parasitic viral infection. Occasionally, copies of a retrovirus genome are found in its host's genome, and these retroviral gene copies are called endogenous retroviral sequences. Retroviruses (like the AIDS virus or HTLV1, which causes a form of leukemia) make a DNA copy of their own viral genome and insert it into their host's genome. If this happens to a germ line cell (i.e. the sperm or egg cells) the retroviral DNA will be inherited by descendants of the host. Again, this process is rare and fairly random, so finding retrogenes in identical chromosomal positions of two different species indicates common ancestry.
So, does it come via sperm or egg line and show proof.
Next
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115263 Jan 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Does anyone here think they can argue Endogenous Retroviruses?
Jimbo - everyone realises that discussing ERVs (or anything) with you is pointless,you either ignore people's posts or call them morons.

But lets see if someone less cynical than me wants to give it a go.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

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Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#115264 Jan 26, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
So, does it come via sperm or egg line and show proof.
Next
Both!! Do your own freaking reading.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115265 Jan 26, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Both!! Do your own freaking reading.
As I said above - he rarely reads other people's posts - much less comprehends them.

But good luck - maybe will have more luck than most.

Thought wager you won't - as always take dollars, Stirling at a pinch - no euros

“There is no Truth in Faith”

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Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#115266 Jan 26, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
<quoted text>
As I said above - he rarely reads other people's posts - much less comprehends them.
But good luck - maybe will have more luck than most.
Thought wager you won't - as always take dollars, Stirling at a pinch - no euros
I'll pass on that bet ... thus the minimal investment in my response to him.

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