Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Read more
nemesis

Kansas City, MO

#115088 Jan 24, 2013
Oogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Ignorance won't protect you from anything. The ostrich plan of head in sand is not useful no matter how many ostriches find comfort in it.
Better to investigate if there even is an "out there".
OB has neurons firing on all cylinders. Honestly, I went to a catholic school for 4 yrs. I don't recall the Bible saying anything about to many galaxies to comprehend "out there"....right? Don't you think that in all Gods infinite wisdom that he would have mentioned to the Bible writers something like, "And, I created an infinite number of galaxies in the universe!" Instead, the world was flat....flat? And, they nailed this guy to a cross...really? Come on, humans are closing the Bible and chasing Alien contact, earth-like worlds "out there" and thinking maybe Aliens are the real creators.....not a fictional character God, like Santa and the Easter Bunny both have religious backgrounds.....weird!

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#115089 Jan 24, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Who is Jim Ryan?
One Way Or Another, aka Pet Whisperer, aka Carpet Whisperer, aka Psychology, aka Jim Ryan, aka resident legitimately batshit insane loon.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#115090 Jan 24, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Emesis, my guess is that you created some meth and that incapacitated you and made you see things.
Heh...you called him "puke."
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115091 Jan 25, 2013
And for our entertainment on this thread we got Jimbo's massive Jewish conspiracies and a guy who got abducted by aliens!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115092 Jan 25, 2013
nemesis wrote:
I did work in close proximity with nukes for awhile. They said that may be the reason for the encounter.
Probably.

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115093 Jan 25, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
<quoted text>
Hate to say it but am wavering towards Poe again.
NOONE can read the clarifications that have been presented and NOT get it through his thick skull.
Either that or he just doesn't read others posts as it gets in the way of his carpet bombing of nonsense.
If he REALLY doesn't get it he is a danger to himself
He gets it--well, most of the time he gets it as long as there aren't too many numbers to add + subtract. But the issues are less important than the ROLE he wants to establish. People run to get facts, which he ignores. In his mind that's like he's being a parent brushing off a child's silly efforts for attention. It's likely that it's what he got from teachers in his ten failing years of education. He wants to turn that around, and from his point of view it's working.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#115094 Jan 25, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Who is Jim Ryan?
Didn't he break the 4 min mile? Brit if I remember.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#115095 Jan 25, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't he break the 4 min mile? Brit if I remember.
No, that was Roger Bannister in 1954.

There WAS a "Jim Ryun" (different spelling) that was the first HIGH SCHOOL athlete to break 4:00 (in 1964).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_mile

Our "Jim Ryan" is only running away from reality.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#115096 Jan 25, 2013
....edit to above..."Jim Ryun" was an ***AMERICAN*** High School student/athlete.
One way or another

United States

#115097 Jan 25, 2013
Proof

Space is not a vacuum.

Science claims space is a vacuum

New science by Jim Ryan

The speed of light test done in a vacuum over 20 miles is total BS, because man can achieve a totally closed and complete vacuum, while space cannot. It has trillions of tons of dust, if you believe in star nurseries, as science claims, coupled with billions of miles of gas clouds, trillions of tons of plasma, from the billions of suns and their ejections, trillions of tons of cosmic rays that all tend to divert and break up light, from as close as the moon, as science proves.

There is no vacuum in space, the kind that man can bring about on earth, ENTIRELY DEVOID of matter, because that is the only way that test could show light traveling at 186,00 miles per second.

Trillions of tons of matter is all through out space, according to science.

How is it scientists are too stupid to understand that there is no vacuum in space?

vacuum[ vak-yoom,-yoo-uh&#8201;m,- yuh&#8201;m ]
noun
1. a space entirely devoid of matter.
2. an enclosed space from which matter, especially air, has been partially removed so that the matter or gas remaining in the space exerts less pressure than the atmosphere (plenum).
3. the state or degree of exhaustion in such an enclosed space.

To have star nurseries,--plural, as science claims and it takes dust beyond measure almost, to create a star, never mind many stars in many nurseries, as science claims, science contradicts itself terribly, while all scientist must be stupid or stoned, not to point it out to science as a whole.

The following is for all you idiot scientists and the morons that believe you. Read the last line carefully.

MISSING DARK MATTER LOCATED - INTER-GALACTIC SPACE IS FILLED WITH DARK MATTER

On many science web sites, science claims there is almost no matter in space. Science lies constantly

Researchers at IPMU and Nagoya University used large-scale computer simulations and recent observational data of gravitational lensing to reveal how dark matter is distributed around galaxies.

Galaxies have no definite "edges", the new research concludes. Instead galaxies have long outskirts of dark matter that extend to their nearby galaxies; the inter-galactic space is not empty but filled with dark matter.

http://www.ipmu.jp/node/1222
Elohim

Branford, CT

#115098 Jan 25, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that was Roger Bannister in 1954.
There WAS a "Jim Ryun" (different spelling) that was the first HIGH SCHOOL athlete to break 4:00 (in 1964).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_mile
Our "Jim Ryan" is only running away from reality.
Thank you for clearing that up.
One way or another

United States

#115099 Jan 25, 2013
Another

Speed of light failure
Science claims to have proven that speed of light is 186,000 miles per sec, according to the tests they claim to have done in its 20 mile long test chamber. To achieve that perfect goal of 186,000 miles per second, the test chamber of science would have to be ideal conditions.

Too bad science fell way short on its test from the earth to the moon and back, where science claimed it took a FEW seconds for a photon to make it into the collector. A FEW seconds means 3 or more seconds, meaning the laser light took between half a second, to as much as 2 seconds too long.

Once I revealed such, science removed that web page.

The only real test science did in space for speed of light was a failure.

Of course, science claims space is full of dark MATTER.

http://www.ipmu.jp/node/1222

Science lies as it chooses.
One way or another

United States

#115100 Jan 25, 2013
Justice

Spin electron rate earth gravity

Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence

EDEE!

As everything is connected to everything and everyone, so too must earths spin and rotational rates, as well as electromagnetism and gravity.

From my perspective at this time, the reason science does not understand electromagnetisim or gravity, is because science cannot measure spin rate in electrons, so as to compare with the spin rate of the
Electrons in our bodies-- as a reason we do not feel the spinning of the earth and more.

The possibility exists that electrons spin correlates to either the earths spin rate on its axis, the rotational rate around our barycenter or possibly a combination.

If science were to use earths spin rate first, in doing test within the electromagnetic field, it may reveal much more. Do the electrons in our bodies spin at 1000 miles per hour and is that the reason we don't feel the earth spinning as it does?

Elohim

Branford, CT

#115101 Jan 25, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Justice
Spin electron rate earth gravity.......BLAH BLAH BLAH YADDA YADDA YADDA.....

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#115102 Jan 25, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you see anywhere that they claimed an extraordinary event,--NO
You're a stooge
They claimed the layer was volcanic glass.

A volcanic eruption IS an extraordinary event you doofus.
HTS

Sidney, MT

#115103 Jan 25, 2013
TedHOhio wrote:
<quoted text>
And they never will agree, because if they actually settled on a specific definition, we would use it to demolish even more of their arguments. As it is, we keep demolishing moving targets, a little more challenging, but not significantly.
Ted, I see you're still on this forum, mindlessly parroting the same regurgitated athetist BS. Those who believe that "science" should be restricted to naturalistic causes are attempting to secure evolution from falsification... the antithesis of science.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#115104 Jan 25, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Ted, I see you're still on this forum, mindlessly parroting the same regurgitated athetist BS. Those who believe that "science" should be restricted to naturalistic causes are attempting to secure evolution from falsification... the antithesis of science.
"Naturalistic" compared to "SUPERnaturalistic"?

And how would you propose we go about testing the qualities and the source of supernatural phenomena?
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#115105 Jan 25, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Proof
Space is not a vacuum.
Science claims space is a vacuum
New science by Jim Ryan
The speed of light test done in a vacuum over 20 miles is total BS, because man can achieve a totally closed and complete vacuum, while space cannot. It has trillions of tons of dust, if you believe in star nurseries, as science claims, coupled with billions of miles of gas clouds, trillions of tons of plasma, from the billions of suns and their ejections, trillions of tons of cosmic rays that all tend to divert and break up light, from as close as the moon, as science proves.
There is no vacuum in space, the kind that man can bring about on earth, ENTIRELY DEVOID of matter, because that is the only way that test could show light traveling at 186,00 miles per second.
Trillions of tons of matter is all through out space, according to science.
How is it scientists are too stupid to understand that there is no vacuum in space?
vacuum[ vak-yoom,-yoo-uh&#8201;m,- yuh&#8201;m ]
noun
1. a space entirely devoid of matter.
2. an enclosed space from which matter, especially air, has been partially removed so that the matter or gas remaining in the space exerts less pressure than the atmosphere (plenum).
3. the state or degree of exhaustion in such an enclosed space.
To have star nurseries,--plural, as science claims and it takes dust beyond measure almost, to create a star, never mind many stars in many nurseries, as science claims, science contradicts itself terribly, while all scientist must be stupid or stoned, not to point it out to science as a whole.
The following is for all you idiot scientists and the morons that believe you. Read the last line carefully.
MISSING DARK MATTER LOCATED - INTER-GALACTIC SPACE IS FILLED WITH DARK MATTER
On many science web sites, science claims there is almost no matter in space. Science lies constantly
Researchers at IPMU and Nagoya University used large-scale computer simulations and recent observational data of gravitational lensing to reveal how dark matter is distributed around galaxies.
Galaxies have no definite "edges", the new research concludes. Instead galaxies have long outskirts of dark matter that extend to their nearby galaxies; the inter-galactic space is not empty but filled with dark matter.
http://www.ipmu.jp/node/1222
Make shit up. Ignore refutations. Repeat daily until reality conforms to your incorrect ramblings. No, that's not crazy.

Urban Cowboy, take note. This is you. Can you say "99 reasons?"
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#115106 Jan 25, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Ted, I see you're still on this forum, mindlessly parroting the same regurgitated athetist BS. Those who believe that "science" should be restricted to naturalistic causes are attempting to secure evolution from falsification... the antithesis of science.
Actually you got that totally backwards. If we allowed SUPER-natural causes in science evolution could never be falsified because it would be rendered non-falsifiable. By restricting science to *methodological*(not philosophical) naturalism, it not only makes science possible, but also ensures that evolution remains falsifiable. And therefore scientific.

It's just that no-one's falsified it yet. That ain't OUR problem.(shrug)

And what's atheism got to do with anything anyway? Every time you invoke it you're only admitting your "scientific alternative" is invisible Jewish magic.
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#115107 Jan 25, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Ted, I see you're still on this forum, mindlessly parroting the same regurgitated athetist BS. Those who believe that "science" should be restricted to naturalistic causes are attempting to secure evolution from falsification... the antithesis of science.
Science concerns itself with the demonstrable. As soon as you can demonstrate something supernatural, science will include it in its investigations.

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