Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 20 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“I am Sisyphus”

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#115029 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
The morons here claim that it takes a year to form one varve.
It takes 10 millimeters to make one centimeter. In the piece below, science states that one millimeter is equal to one varve. That means that it would have taken 10 years to form that pure layer of ash.
That also means that during those 10 years, no leaves, no grass, no sticks, no sand, no bugs, no nothing came into the lake.
That's not possible, so science is lying, big time.

ROTFLMFAO.

Are you aware that water is wet, or is even that beyond you?
LowellGuy

United States

#115030 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Lake varves
If you answer intelligently, I might stop posting this. Lol,
So you childish morons are too stupid to answer? Lmao
The following is a scientific claim, see if you can pick out its stupidity.
Here is an example of an ash layer from one of the cores of Lake Suigetsu. This ash layer is more than 1cm thick (the varves are less than 1mm each) and is composed almost almost pure volcanic glass. The purity suggests that it resulted from ash falling from the sky into this very placid lake and quickly sinking to the bottom. This image is from the Suigetsu web page: http://www.suigetsu.org/embed.php ...
The morons here claim that it takes a year to form one varve.
It takes 10 millimeters to make one centimeter. In the piece below, science states that one millimeter is equal to one varve. That means that it would have taken 10 years to form that pure layer of ash.
That also means that during those 10 years, no leaves, no grass, no sticks, no sand, no bugs, no nothing came into the lake.
That's not possible, so science is lying, big time.
What part of "volcanic eruption" do you not understand?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#115031 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
The morons here claim that it takes a year to form one varve.

That is the VERY DEFINITION of varve.

"A layer or series of layers of sediment deposited in a body of still water in one year."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/varve

Definition means definition.

Period.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#115032 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
You're welcome.

But still stupid.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#115033 Jan 23, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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What part of "volcanic eruption" do you not understand?
Pretty much everything, it seems. Jimbo has misunderstood every thing he's attempted. No reason for him to be any different this time.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#115034 Jan 23, 2013
<<sigh>> I'll take a stab at it, Jimmy.

The "1mm varve" thickness is the AVERAGE thickness accumulated during an AVERAGE, UNEVENTFUL year.

If there is an EXTRAORDINARY EVENT.....say, ummmm A FRICKIN VOLCANO that is erupting nearby, it will deposit MUCH MORE sediment into the lake, and will result in a MUCH THICKER LAYER between the annual varves.

In the case you're describing, many 'uneventful' years were interrupted by a volcano that deposited a bunch of ash that resulted in volcanic glass when it cooled down, and compressed under subsequent 'uneventful' years sediments.

My DOG could pick this up after first read.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#115035 Jan 23, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
What part of "volcanic eruption" do you not understand?

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."--Hunter S. Thompson

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#115036 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
The following shows the ash layer
http://thenaturalhistorian.com/2012/11/12/var...
So you childish morons are too stupid to answer? Lmao
The following is a scientific claim, see if you can pick out its stupidity.
Here is an example of an ash layer from one of the cores of Lake Suigetsu. This ash layer is more than 1cm thick (the varves are less than 1mm each) and is composed almost almost pure volcanic glass. The purity suggests that it resulted from ash falling from the sky into this very placid lake and quickly sinking to the bottom. This image is from the Suigetsu web page: http://www.suigetsu.org/embed.php ...
The morons here claim that it takes a year to form one varve.
It takes 10 millimeters to make one centimeter. In the piece below, science states that one millimeter is equal to one varve. That means that it would have taken 10 years to form that pure layer of ash.
That also means that during those 10 years, no leaves, no grass, no sticks, no sand, no bugs, no nothing came into the lake.
That's not possible, so science is lying, big time.
Not if there was an extraordinary event, like a volcanic eruption. In that year, a whole centimeter could easily be laid down, even if the normal deposit rate was only a millimeter.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115037 Jan 23, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."--Hunter S. Thompson
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King Jr

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#115038 Jan 23, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Ryan's stupid.
Stupid + mad = funny.
One way or another

United States

#115039 Jan 23, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<<sigh>> I'll take a stab at it, Jimmy.
The "1mm varve" thickness is the AVERAGE thickness accumulated during an AVERAGE, UNEVENTFUL year.
If there is an EXTRAORDINARY EVENT.....say, ummmm A FRICKIN VOLCANO that is erupting nearby, it will deposit MUCH MORE sediment into the lake, and will result in a MUCH THICKER LAYER between the annual varves.
In the case you're describing, many 'uneventful' years were interrupted by a volcano that deposited a bunch of ash that resulted in volcanic glass when it cooled down, and compressed under subsequent 'uneventful' years sediments.
My DOG could pick this up after first read.
Come back when you learn to comprehend, idiot.

The piece itself claims that each varve was 1 millimeter and that the all volcanic ash layer was 1 centimeter thick, meaning science was claiming it took more than 10 years to create that formation, you fruking moron.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#115040 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>Come back when you learn to comprehend, idiot.

The piece itself claims that each varve was 1 millimeter and that the all volcanic ash layer was 1 centimeter thick, meaning science was claiming it took more than 10 years to create that formation, you fruking moron.
That coming from anyone but you would be an insult.

However....
One way or another

United States

#115041 Jan 23, 2013
Hey stupid, well, that could be any one of you Evo morons, lol, see where science claims that each varve is less than 1mm thick? Science claims it takes one year to form one varve.

Here is an example of an ash layer from one of the cores of Lake Suigetsu. This ash layer is more than 1cm thick (the varves are less than 1mm each)

http://thenaturalhistorian.com/2012/11/12/var...

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Since: Dec 08

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#115042 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Come back when you learn to comprehend, idiot.
The piece itself claims that each varve was 1 millimeter and that the all volcanic ash layer was 1 centimeter thick, meaning science was claiming it took more than 10 years to create that formation, you fruking moron.
It's pretty clear who has the comprehension problem. Here's a hint, it's the one that thinks nature makes uniform deposits every time all the time.
One way or another

United States

#115043 Jan 23, 2013
I wonder how long before they take down that web page or the content that shows what morons science uses.

http://thenaturalhistorian.com/2012/11/12/var...
One way or another

United States

#115044 Jan 23, 2013
As usual, the Evo morons childish clique cackle about people, because science means nothing to these morons, all though they can copy and paste. Too bad they never offer even one new thought as a group, for science. Then they pretend to judge other people as the classic, childish cliques, from elementary school.

Poor ignorant children, they add nothing of value for all the years they have been here.

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“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#115045 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Come back when you learn to comprehend, idiot.
The piece itself claims that each varve was 1 millimeter and that the all volcanic ash layer was 1 centimeter thick, meaning science was claiming it took more than 10 years to create that formation, you fruking moron.

..........so....what..........

You clearly don't know anything about earths geological past.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115046 Jan 23, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Come back when you learn to comprehend, idiot.
The piece itself claims that each varve was 1 millimeter and that the all volcanic ash layer was 1 centimeter thick, meaning science was claiming it took more than 10 years to create that formation, you fruking moron.
I am going to see if you are up to the following claim you made
One way or another wrote:
If you answer intelligently, I might stop posting this.
The argument you are making is thus (taking X as any date you choose)
Year X - normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
Year X+1- normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
Year X+2 -normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
Year X+3 - normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
Year X+4 - normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
Therefore the observed sedimentation of (1mm x 5 ) doesn't match reality therefore science is wrong
My argument is thus
Year X - normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
Year X+1- normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
Year X+2 -normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
Year X+3 - normal varve deposits form PLUS a volcanic eruption that lays down 1cm deposits **********
Year X+4 - normal varve deposits formed - around 1mm
The observed strata are consistent when taking year x+3 years (********* into account
Now unless you can provide evidence that the volcanic eruption DIDNT occur, your argument is moot.
Now I have simplified this as much as I can to outline the issue - if you feel you are up to responding to intelligent posts that refute your 'new science' this is a golden opportunity.
So Jimbo , are you up to the challenge ?
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#115047 Jan 23, 2013
Apologies for the bad formatting of the above post -

but that aside does anyone else besides me think it was a fruitless effort on my part?
One way or another

United States

#115048 Jan 23, 2013
As usual, the Evo morons childish clique cackle about people, because science means nothing to these morons, all though they can copy and paste. Too bad they never offer even one new thought as a group, for science. Then they pretend to judge other people as the classic, childish cliques, from elementary school.

Poor ignorant children, they add nothing of value for all the years they have been here.

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