Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#114655 Jan 18, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Radio waves can travel through walls.
EHF radio waves can't (unless the wall is transparent).

And even non-EHF waves can't depending upon what the wall is made out of.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#114656 Jan 18, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>When I was a kid I found a 2nd edition copy in a trash heap. I still have it 40 years later.
I had the complete collection when I was a kid. I don't know how many times I read those stories. Good stuff.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#114657 Jan 18, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Must you always prove you are a moron.
Radio waves can travel through walls.
Go back to kindergarten .

What the EM radiation can penetrate depends on its wave length.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#114658 Jan 18, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>When I was a kid I found a 2nd edition copy in a trash heap. I still have it 40 years later.

One of my favorite Sherlock Holmes stories.

Have you watched 'Elementary'?

Of course House is also based on Holmes..... obviously.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#114659 Jan 18, 2013
QuiteCrazy wrote:
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Was I the one with the condescendent remark at first hand?
Perhaps you have a problem with someone thinking differently than you? Well, since it seems to be the case. Wake up Kitty, it's a big world, tons of opinions. Try not to get mean and nasty when one pops up. Like you already know, Topix is big, opinions will flow.
Good luck with that
You cannot deflect what you stated. You hate everyone who is unique than you and you use religious mythology to justify that hatred. You're easy to see a mile away, bigots like you are always so easy to make come out into the open.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#114660 Jan 18, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You can blabber all you want but you still did it wrong. Stop making excuses and learn to use the big boy formulas. It's not that difficult. If you simply divide time into smaller portions all you wind up with is equal parts of the whole. Half life doesn't work like that. Grow a set.

Again, you either misunderstood or you are purposely distorting what he wrote.

You are doing this a lot lately. If you cannot respond to the actual content of the post then I would prefer you simply not reply.

“Cleaning Up Christianity ”

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Since: Jan 13

Topix Badlands

#114661 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You cannot deflect what you stated. You hate everyone who is unique than you and you use religious mythology to justify that hatred. You're easy to see a mile away, bigots like you are always so easy to make come out into the open.
Mythology? That certainly isn't bigoted, now is it?
Elohim

Branford, CT

#114662 Jan 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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One of my favorite Sherlock Holmes stories.
Have you watched 'Elementary'?
Of course House is also based on Holmes..... obviously.
No I have not. I'll check it out on Hulu. Love the Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce movies.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#114663 Jan 18, 2013
Janitor Of The LORD wrote:
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Mythology? That certainly isn't bigoted, now is it?
The only reason you'd be insulted by a factual statement like that is if you cannot handle facts. Until something is supported by substantiated evidence it is mythology. You have no evidence, so it's mythology. Simple.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#114664 Jan 18, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>No I have not. I'll check it out on Hulu. Love the Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce movies.

Basil was great in those movies. I found Bruce's portrayal of Watson to be a bit to comic for my tastes. Not a worthy companion for Holmes. I still enjoyed the movies very much.

Jeremy Brett/Edward Hardwick are my favorite Holmes/Watson.

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Since: Aug 07

Arlington, VA

#114665 Jan 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Again, you either misunderstood or you are purposely distorting what he wrote.
You are doing this a lot lately. If you cannot respond to the actual content of the post then I would prefer you simply not reply.
If you don't want to learn then fine, stay stupid. See if I care.
Mugwump

UK

#114666 Jan 18, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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If you don't want to learn then fine, stay stupid. See if I care.
Wouldn't it be easier if you just pointed out where you got you start point (2B bp) and end point (?) from.

Asked this a few days ago (to be fair you were in a bar so will let you off) but you did say it was a good question.

Most importent I guess is the end point - number of bp remaining in the dino DNA as you suggest was found.

Or is the end point the problem for you?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#114667 Jan 18, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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Must you always prove you are a moron.
Radio waves can travel through walls.
Go back to kindergarten .
Hey, Jimmy! How does fit into your light 'hypothesis'?

http://www.slashgear.com/mona-lisa-goes-to-th...

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/18/nas...

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#114668 Jan 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Hey, Jimmy! How does fit into your light 'hypothesis'?
http://www.slashgear.com/mona-lisa-goes-to-th...
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/18/nas...
Maybe they could beam Jimmy there next.

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Since: Aug 07

Arlington, VA

#114669 Jan 18, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier if you just pointed out where you got you start point (2B bp)? from.
The starting point is the genome size of T-rex which I est. at 2B bp. Seems reasonable. Birds and reptiles range around 1B to 3B bps. Sorry, but nobody to my knowledge has ever sequenced a dino DNA last time I checked. Maybe you have another suggestion?

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Since: Aug 07

Arlington, VA

#114670 Jan 18, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
Most importent I guess is the end point - number of bp remaining in the dino DNA as you suggest was found.
Or is the end point the problem for you?
I saw the amount in a rewiew of M. Schweitzer's article. I remember it was like 2,000 or 3,000 bps or not quite enough for a full gene but enough for some proteins. I tried to located the article but couldn't find it. Maybe I'll look again. But the point is that it doesn't matter. All I need is some remains. Even 1 bp would do it. If the 521 year half-life of DNA is correct, and it is published, peer-reviewed research, then this does not bode well for evolution given M. Schweitzer's research. Obviously I am thrilled and you guys hate it but it is what it is.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114671 Jan 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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One of my favorite Sherlock Holmes stories.
Have you watched 'Elementary'?
Of course House is also based on Holmes..... obviously.
On the Holmes front ( can you see what I did there?- comedy gold)

Not sure if depends whether you have and ipad / kindle or whatnot but you can download the Sherlock collection for free - top stuff.

And on 'elementary' and apologies for getting a patriotic on your ass - much preferred 'Sherlock', done by the BBC - starring benedict cumberbatch and Martin freeman.

It sticks reasonably closely to the books but simply set in modern times.

Oh and we did it first you thieving yank scum :-)
Elohim

Branford, CT

#114672 Jan 18, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Basil was great in those movies. I found Bruce's portrayal of Watson to be a bit to comic for my tastes. Not a worthy companion for Holmes. I still enjoyed the movies very much.
Jeremy Brett/Edward Hardwick are my favorite Holmes/Watson.
I was thinking the same thought about Bruce during lunchbreak. The BBC version from the '90's was great.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114673 Jan 18, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I saw the amount in a rewiew of M. Schweitzer's article. I remember it was like 2,000 or 3,000 bps or not quite enough for a full gene but enough for some proteins. I tried to located the article but couldn't find it. Maybe I'll look again. But the point is that it doesn't matter. All I need is some remains. Even 1 bp would do it. If the 521 year half-life of DNA is correct, and it is published, peer-reviewed research, then this does not bode well for evolution given M. Schweitzer's research. Obviously I am thrilled and you guys hate it but it is what it is.
Ok it's just that I can't see any reference in Schweitzers research to finding actual DNA - and without your endpoint (or start point depending on your point of view) then your half life argument is moot.

So yes, if you can dig out the article would be dandy.

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Topix Badlands

#114674 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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The only reason you'd be insulted by a factual statement like that is if you cannot handle facts. Until something is supported by substantiated evidence it is mythology. You have no evidence, so it's mythology. Simple.
Simple for the simple minded, perhaps.

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