Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179707 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#114601 Jan 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Thank you for demonstrating you know nothing of the subject, now run along to your bible camp for some more conditioning.
Look man, if it's what you need to validate your, "unique" way of life... so be it.
Each puzzle has a hole somewhere needing to be filled to stay together. If that glue works for you. Great.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

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#114602 Jan 17, 2013
QuiteCrazy wrote:
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Look man, if it's what you need to validate your, "unique" way of life... so be it.
Each puzzle has a hole somewhere needing to be filled to stay together. If that glue works for you. Great.
Oh really, looks like I snared another one. What "unique way of life" are you speaking of, more importantly, why do you hate unique people?
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114603 Jan 17, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>Fudge packing is something you're quite an expert at.
Lets see what Jim is an expert at (or even has a passing knowledge of)

Physics - nope
Chemistry - nope
Biology - nope
Critical thinking - nope
Debating methods - nope
Difference between relativity / relativism - nope
Politics - nope
Critically evaluating a source of info.for bias - nope
Difference between being 27th on a list and 27 times as bad - nope

Being a hateful little shit - big tick
Elohim

Branford, CT

#114604 Jan 17, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Lets see what Jim is an expert at (or even has a passing knowledge of)
Physics - nope
Chemistry - nope
Biology - nope
Critical thinking - nope
Debating methods - nope
Difference between relativity / relativism - nope
Politics - nope
Critically evaluating a source of info.for bias - nope
Difference between being 27th on a list and 27 times as bad - nope
Being a hateful little shit - big tick
Pretty much sums it up, but he is an expert on cat piss carpets.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114605 Jan 17, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>Pretty much sums it up, but he is an expert on cat piss carpets.
But not making billions from pet psychology it would seem - strange how he always ignores that abject failure when he is reminded of it.

I guess when you have so many failures to contend with it is hard to focus on just one.
right

South San Francisco, CA

#114606 Jan 17, 2013
appleboy wrote:
<quoted text>Even the republicans are abandoning your kind. What will you do when you are no longer considered to be a useful idiot? You folks will have to start your own party: UNUSEFUL IDIOTS.
To bad you are so uninformed about Michael King. If you want to celebrate a woman beating, communist who steals his speeches and college papers from others then that's your business, but don't force it down the throats of children.

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#114608 Jan 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Oh really, looks like I snared another one. What "unique way of life" are you speaking of, more importantly, why do you hate unique people?
Was I the one with the condescendent remark at first hand?
Perhaps you have a problem with someone thinking differently than you? Well, since it seems to be the case. Wake up Kitty, it's a big world, tons of opinions. Try not to get mean and nasty when one pops up. Like you already know, Topix is big, opinions will flow.

Good luck with that
right

South San Francisco, CA

#114609 Jan 17, 2013
It's funny that you people claim to be all about facts and proof etc, but you choose to ignore facts about certain politicians and historical figures simply because of skin color.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#114610 Jan 17, 2013
One way or another wrote:
In fact, a similar approach was taken in 1994. The winners of the race to sequence dinosaur DNA were Scott Woodward and his colleagues, who published their results in Science.10 They extracted DNA from a purportedly well-preserved dinosaur bone. However, they were not rewarded for their victory. The sequence they discovered was not like birds or reptiles, but seemed unique.
These researchers decided not to follow the procedure outlined in the 1993 flowchart, which would have "told" them that what they found was an unacceptable "anomaly." Since this 1994 DNA did not fit the evolutionary interpretive filter, the authors were raked over the academic coals. Moreover, the objections to their results were not based on conflicting research results, but appeared in editorials and reviews. As a result of the uproar from the scientific community, their dinosaur DNA sequence never became a permanent entry in any public database. In fact, since this very public academic flogging, no scientist has attempted to publish any dinosaur DNA research (resulting in "chilled" academic speech).
http://www.icr.org/article/dinosaur-dna-resea...
Science lies all the time.
Using ICR stuff to figure out if scientists are lying is a bit like using AiG stuff to figure out if scientists are lying.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#114611 Jan 17, 2013
right wrote:
It's funny that you people claim to be all about facts and proof etc, but you choose to ignore facts about certain politicians and historical figures simply because of skin color.
Gay.

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nowhere near a pound of $100's

#114612 Jan 17, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Using ICR stuff to figure out if scientists are lying is a bit like using AiG stuff to figure out if scientists are lying.
With creationists it is much easier. When they lie, their lips move. It's a real give away.

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#114613 Jan 17, 2013
Posted: January 16, 2013 - 8:10pmBy WILL WEISSERT
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Study: Many school Bible classes 'problematic'
WILL WEISSERT
January 16, 2013 8:10 PM EST
Copyright 2013 Lubbock Online. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
AUSTIN, Texas (AP)— Some 60 public school districts across Texas offer courses on the Bible, but at least a third aren’t meeting state requirements to be unbiased and academically and legally sound, a study released Wednesday concluded.

Written by Mark Chancey, a professor of Religious Studies at Southern Methodist University, the study found that many districts’ courses favor conservative Protestant interpretations of the Bible. Many also present “problematic treatment of Judaism” while “promoting pseudo-scholarship, particularly regarding science and American history.”

“At a basic level, students are often being taught to experience Judaism only through Christian eyes,” said Chancey, who completed the study for the Texas Freedom Network, which monitors the State Board of Education from a progressive perspective.

He said no courses in Texas were found to be favoring Jewish, Roman Catholic or mainstream Protestant views — only those held by conservative Protestants.

Statewide, 57 districts and three charter schools offered elective courses on the Bible during the 2011-12 school year. Chancey listed 11 of them as having the most successful classes, but concluded that 20 had the “most problematic courses.”

The total overall number of districts offering Bible classes is more than double the 25 districts that taught them during the 2005-06 school year. But Chancey further found that of the 25 that taught them back then, just nine districts still offered Bible classes last school year.

He said Bible classes tend to have a short half-life because they are generally offered in high school, when there’s little interest among students to take them. The courses also must meet a series of state requirements that make them difficult to begin teaching and then to maintain for more than a few years.

In 2007, the state Legislature passed a law creating guidelines on how to make Bible courses fair, as well as academically sound and above reproach legally — but lawmakers failed to allocate any funds to train instructors on how best to meet those standards.

Chancey said some districts rely on texts designed for Sunday schools, which he said he supports using at church but not within the state’s public schools.

His report also found that instruction is woefully uneven from one district to the next. One high school course in the Duncanville Independent School District, for instance, relies heavily on cartoons from the Hanna-Barbera series “The Greatest Adventure: Stories from the Bible.”

Chancey also said some districts continue to present the Bible as a straight history or science book, rather than a religious text.

He highlighted a timeline used in Refugio Independent School District that “reinforces the message that the Bible’s historical claims are largely beyond question by listing biblical events side-by-side with historical developments from around the globe.”

In response to the report, the Texas Freedom Network called on the Texas Legislature to fund proper training for Bible class instructors in public schools. But the group also chided the State Board of Education for creating curriculum standards that were too vague and general — thus allowing districts to create flawed Bible classes.

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treat you they get offended.

#114614 Jan 18, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Hardcore.
Cheers.

The gist has been repeated several times by several by several different posters. However UC still continues to be confounded by fact

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treat you they get offended.

#114615 Jan 18, 2013
One way or another wrote:
All the Evo motons must be queers if all the people that don't agree with them are creationists, so your new fudge packing label is ready for you.
Quick, your paranoia is showing

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treat you they get offended.

#114616 Jan 18, 2013
right wrote:
It's funny that you people claim to be all about facts and proof etc, but you choose to ignore facts about certain politicians and historical figures simply because of skin color.
Say what???
One way or another

United States

#114617 Jan 18, 2013
Science refuses to do a real speed of light test in space, because science knows it will be a failure.
One way or another

United States

#114618 Jan 18, 2013
If science weren't afraid, it would have installed a laser on its probe and when it was a million miles from home, it could fire its laser and show the world.

Science doesn't want the proof, because it won't work and they know it.
One way or another

United States

#114619 Jan 18, 2013
What a piece of shit science is, claiming that light can carry images.

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#114622 Jan 18, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Science refuses to do a real speed of light test in space, because science knows it will be a failure.

You should have done your lit review and you would not have made the error of this statement.

That is why the scientific method exists.

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#114623 Jan 18, 2013
One way or another wrote:
If science weren't afraid, it would have installed a laser on its probe and when it was a million miles from home, it could fire its laser and show the world.
Science doesn't want the proof, because it won't work and they know it.

Does light from a laser move at a different speed from the radio waves that are being sent to and from the probe?

[Hint: 6th grade science book]

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