Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."
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#114279 Jan 13, 2013
Just science

Light does not travel here from distant galaxies.

Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence

It is simply that we can see that light through our telescopes.

The moons retroflectors prove how quickly light disperses in just 239,000 miles and back. There are so many billions of planets, so much space dust, so much mass ejections of plasma from suns, so much in cosmic rays, gas clouds and the interference is just endless.

Science has a way to test light theory, but obviously, it doesn't, for a reason.

There is a defining factor in proving light from distant universes does not reach here. Can any of you figure out what it is?

If light cannot escape a black hole, what force stops the light?
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#114280 Jan 13, 2013
Spin electron rate earth gravity

Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence

EDEE!

As everything is connected to everything and everyone, so too must earths spin and rotational rates, as well as electromagnetism and gravity.

From my perspective at this time, the reason science does not understand electromagnetisim or gravity, is because science cannot measure spin rate in electrons, so as to compare with the spin rate of the
Electrons in our bodies-- as a reason we do not feel the spinning of the earth and more.

The possibility exists that electrons spin correlates to either the earths spin rate on its axis, the rotational rate around our barycenter or possibly a combination.

If science were to use earths spin rate first, in doing test within the electromagnetic field, it may reveal much more. Do the electrons in our bodies spin at 1000 miles per hour and is that the reason we don't feel the earth spinning as it does?

Common sense
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#114281 Jan 13, 2013
Test
Test/ speed of light theory

More new science by Jim Ryan

If science really wanted to test speed of light theory, science could add a simple laser light to any of its probes and when the probe got say a million miles away from earth, it could send its laser light back to earth, one aimed at American collectors one at Russian collectors and one at another countries collectors, unless science is afraid to know the truth.
How is it that not one scientist in the whole world thought of such already? Are they all morons or does science just not want to know?
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#114282 Jan 13, 2013
former CIA Director, William Casey, “We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

“I am Sisyphus”

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#114283 Jan 13, 2013
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former CIA Director, William Casey,“We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

And as I have demonstrated, Casey never said that.

You lose again.
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#114284 Jan 13, 2013
“I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.”
– Harry S. Truman

“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
– J. Edgar Hoover, ex-FBI director on the New World Order conspiracy

“If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts.”
– George H. W. Bush

” I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.”
– John F. Kennedy

“Fifty men have run America, and that’s a high figure.”
– Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times
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#114285 Jan 13, 2013

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#114286 Jan 13, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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It is a chicken v egg issue. The anger and the paranoid delusional ideation feed each other. It is estimated and widely accepted that about 40% of the population suffers from a diagnosable mental illness at some point in their life. Anxiety disorders head these up, followed by depression.
That seems to make good sense. Once all the ingredients are in the soup, they interact not as individual ingredients, but as soup.

“Don't get me started”

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#114287 Jan 13, 2013
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Immunology
More original science by Jim Ryan
In the following I would suggest that science study children that rarely wear shoes or don't wear shoes at all. I would divide the study into different nations or groups of nations with basically, the same diseases.
I would divide the shoeless-- because of intense poverty, from the people and children that choose to go shoeless and those that rarely or almost never go without shoes.
I might look at the data as the mostly shoeless by desire as mentally and possibly physically, stronger and therefore, more resistant to disease, unless science finds differently.
Logic
Many immunology have already been done that conclude over-protecting children from desease results in children with insufficient immunity to common bacteria.

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#114288 Jan 13, 2013
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However, in the 1.3 seconds the light takes to return to its origin, the earth has moved approx 4,000 miles from the point source of light, according to sciences claim that our galaxy is traveling that fast in 1 second, making it impossible for science to capture any photons, at least according to science.
Using that argument, the light from the Sun, which has to travel for 8 minutes to reach Earth, would never get to us because the Earth would have moved away from it.
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#114289 Jan 13, 2013
Ignorant and childish nonsense will be ignored. If an intelligent question or arguments comes along, I'll answer.
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#114290 Jan 13, 2013
Since we see out to the light, speed of light becomes subjective, both day and night, just as we see out to the light of galaxies billions of miles away.

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#114291 Jan 13, 2013
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Ignorant and childish nonsense will be ignored. If an intelligent question or arguments comes along, I'll answer.
In other words, you don't have an answer for this: "Using that argument, the light from the Sun, which has to travel for 8 minutes to reach Earth, would never get to us because the Earth would have moved away from it. "

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#114292 Jan 13, 2013
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Since we see out to the light, speed of light becomes subjective, both day and night, just as we see out to the light of galaxies billions of miles away.
You don't "see out to the light".

The light leaves the light source and enters your retina. It comes to *you*.

How does it reach you if the Earth is moving, the Solar System is moving, and the Galaxy is moving?

How does the light from your laser pointer reach its target if the second it leaves your laser pointer, your target has already moved?

How do radio and TV communications manage to work between Earth and satellites if the Earth has already moved away from where the satellite is sending its signal?
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#114293 Jan 13, 2013
There is no way to prove that the suns light takes 8 minutes to get to earth, because as the sun is always shining and light bends, light reaches us before the sun rises above the horizon.

Any collector will have multiple light sources. Without colored laser light, science cannot distinguish the multiple light emissions in their collectors, that's why science uses colored laser light in its failed moon tests.

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#114294 Jan 13, 2013
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There is no way to prove that the suns light takes 8 minutes to get to earth
On the contrary, we know what the speed of light is, and we know how far the Earth is from the Sun.

Therefore, we know how long it takes for light to get from the Sun to the Earth.

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#114295 Jan 13, 2013
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because as the sun is always shining and light bends, light reaches us before the sun rises above the horizon.
Light reaches us *on the ground* before the Sun rises above the horizon because the light is diffused by the atmosphere.
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Without colored laser light, science cannot distinguish the multiple light emissions in their collectors, that's why science uses colored laser light in its failed moon tests.
The Moon tests didn't fail. I guess you missed that fact.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114296 Jan 13, 2013
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Ignorant and childish nonsense will be ignored. If an intelligent question or arguments comes along, I'll answer.
Ok, let's see if you are true to your word.

Question : why bother with strapping lasers (lazers?) to probes and sending them into space as you suggest when the same process can be carried on earth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizeau –Foucault_apparatus

Specifically - what makes your method better than the above.

Or any of these methods?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#M...

Now if you feel this is NOT an intelligent question - please outline why.

I await your answer with a sense of hope.

Regards

Mugwump
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#114297 Jan 13, 2013
Science offers hearsay on its light tests. It has not offered a peer review on its moon test, besides morons that also show no proof.

If science bothered with a simple test from one of its probes, with several different countries involved and science offering the general public, first hand knowledge of how the collectors work, how they distinguish color and show the proof in present time, then could we say that we know, instead of science is full of shit.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114298 Jan 13, 2013
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Science offers hearsay on its light tests. It has not offered a peer review on its moon test, besides morons that also show no proof.
If science bothered with a simple test from one of its probes, with several different countries involved and science offering the general public, first hand knowledge of how the collectors work, how they distinguish color and show the proof in present time, then could we say that we know, instead of science is full of shit.
And I will ask again, why go to the extreme lengths you propose when simpler tests can be carried out on earth (and have been)

You did say you would answer any intelligent questions, and if you are correct in what you say, and the rest of the scientific community is wrong, you should be able to demonstrate why.

Shouldn't you?

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