Should evolution be taught in high school?

[Ooogah Boogah]

obesity wrote:

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no shizer sherlock, they made the choice to do these things, they made the choice to follow a certain religion..they have only themselves to blame.

So the wiser thing to do is to NOT follow absurd religions like Christianity. Got it!!

[Urban Cowboy]

Igor Trip wrote:

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Please define these differences as I'm not aware of any.

Get a grip.

[Ooogah Boogah]

obesity wrote:

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its very closed minded of you to think that the only people who dont hang on your every genius word are religious.

Ad hominems, is that the best you can do?

[Dogen]

Urban Cowboy wrote:

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I already did.

You lost.

[Urban Cowboy]

See? It is so obvious from this exchange that Darwinism isn't about science. It's about a belief in an ideology. They don't need any evidence. I asked if macroevolution was ever observed. No evidence.

[Urban Cowboy]

Even Richard Dawkins says it can't be observed!

[Ooogah Boogah]

Urban Cowboy wrote:

See? It is so obvious from this exchange that Darwinism isn't about science. It's about a belief in an ideology. They don't need any evidence. I asked if macroevolution was ever observed. No evidence.

No, it is obvious from this exchange that your village is missing an idiot.

[Ooogah Boogah]

Urban Cowboy wrote:

Even Richard Dawkins says it can't be observed!

That's probably because the way you have it defined, it is not a valid concept having nothing to do with Evolution.

[One way or another]

All that BS and BS as evidence. Gotta love the morons.

[Dogen]

Urban Cowboy wrote:

See? It is so obvious from this exchange that Darwinism isn't about science. It's about a belief in an ideology. They don't need any evidence. I asked if macroevolution was ever observed. No evidence.

No evidence that you have allowed yourself to acknowledge. The actual information presented to you, however, has been akin to a global deluge.

You like to pretend things never happened but they did.

You like to pretend you never lose, but you always do.

[Dogen]

Urban Cowboy wrote:

Even Richard Dawkins says it can't be observed!

Quote please. And in context for a change.

[Dogen]

Urban Cowboy wrote:

Even Richard Dawkins says it can't be observed!

Here are some things Dawkins has actually said:

“Evolution could so easily be disproved if just a single fossil turned up in the wrong date order."

"The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity."

“We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realize that we are apes.”

“Why would an all-powerful creator decide to plant his carefully crafted species on islands and continents in exactly the appropriate pattern to suggest, irresistibly, that they had evolved and dispersed from the site of their evolution?”

“Even if it were true that evolution, or the teaching of evolution, encouraged immorality that would not imply that the theory of evolution was false.”

Deal with those then we can deal with your fantasy quotes.

[Mugwump]

I declare victory regarding the (il)legitimacy of creation science On the grounds that although UC refuses to concede honestly, he does so unwittingly and implicitely by irrational deception and avoidance.

[Pinky And Ze Brain]

Only creationists haven't evolved.

They don't believe in evolution for a good reason. It's because they haven't evolved, they still have the intelligence of a primitive ape.

Only we have evolved to our present form of intelligence.

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Pinky And Ze Brain wrote:

Only creationists haven't evolved.
They don't believe in evolution for a good reason. It's because they haven't evolved, they still have the intelligence of a primitive ape.
Only we have evolved to our present form of intelligence.

Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?

[Pinky And Ze Brain]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?

Yes, it's the fact that creationists are a relic of history. They're bloody storytellers, yet some think that their stories are actually true. Unfortunately for them, they're still stuck in the primeval ages, believing in magic, mysticism, and bloody gods!

[appleboy]

Drew Smith wrote:

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Oh, c'mon, the main point here is that Asimov was a *fiction* writer (and a good one). He knew what made for a good story. That doesn't mean that he thought that it *would* happen in the future, or even that it *could*! Just because a science fiction writer uses faster-than-light travel or time travel as a plot device doesn't mean that the writer seriously believes that humans will discover how to do it.
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Yes, scientists discovered how significant the initial conditions were to the accuracy of the prediction of future events. But that doesn't mean that before they realized that, that they thought that future scientists would be able to make perfect predictions. Better predictions? Yes. Perfect ones? No.
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And there is nothing wrong with claiming that, with more information and faster processors, we can make better predictions. Perfection is an asymptote that we can approach but never reach.
I'm reminded of Kenneth Miller's comment during the Dover trial that not every statement made by a scientist is intended to be a scientific statement. Laplace isn't make a scientific statement. He's making a philosophical one. And if Laplace, as you pointed out, is not claiming that humans *would* reach such a point in their predictive power, then I fail to see how his statement is relevant to this argument. So far, you've presented no evidence that any scientist ever thought that we *would* be at such a point in the future.

I don't remember the exact quote, but Asimov said that the essential ingredient for good science fiction is to start with an impossible premise, then make it plausable.

[LowellGuy]

obesity wrote:

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where did i say i was religious and where did i say god dunnit?

Oh, right...you're one of those "I'm not religious, I'm Christian" numbskulls. I'm not superstitious, I just believe in nonsense that has no basis in reality or evidence to support it.

[appleboy]

obesity wrote:

Someone please post solid evidence that something came from nothing. Someone please post complete solid evidence ( no holes ) of evolution including all the missing links which must have been discovered and I just haven't heard about it yet. Kitten, I think you could be the one to answer these questions or post links to answer them...by the way certain species could have been " engineered "by a greater life form..we do it to life, why couldn't it have been done to us?

The point is, there isn't any actual evidence to base a reasonable theory of extra terrestrial origin of life. And the theory of evolutlion does not answer, nor does it attempt to answer the question of the origin of life.

Maybe aliens did it. That sounds better than goddidit, but a theory must have some faulsifiable evidence for it to be anything but speculation.

[LowellGuy]

obesity wrote:

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first off ive never even read a holy book and dont plan to..without testing it, it is useless, but i can come up with many ideas in my head about how we got here, all the what ifs and be satisfied that i may never know the correct answer and maybe we are not supposed to know for some reason..it doesnt take away fromm me going to work and making a living, my family and i going on vacation, mowing the lawn, cooking dinner, cleaning the crapper, and just surviving. everyday life still goes on and i can have fun drinking scotch with friends and trying to solve the mysteries of the world.

So, you have no intellectual curiosity and don't care why things work as they do. As long as you've got food, water, a roof, and a toilet, that's all you care about, and you don't care how those things happen, either. Doesn't that strike you as a rather shallow way to live? Is that what you'd teach your children to do with their lives? Or, would you hope that they developed their minds beyond basic survival and base pleasures?