Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180393 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“When you treat people as they ”

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#113426 Jan 4, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Piss off witch. If you're not butt-ugly on the outside then you sure as HELL are on the inside.
And please learn the meaning of "pussywhipped", ok? Language-impaired as well I see....
Hey theres a good christian, whassup? Am I getting to you?

Juts because I cannot abide a liar and just because I do not agree with your lying BS does not make me ugly, inside or out, it simple meant that I cannot abide liars and I do not agree with your lying BS.

Hey, Im not the one with a god looking over my shoulder at the way you lie.

Honey, you were beaten, you were shown to be lying and all you can do now is hurl abuse, you look pretty pussywhipped to me
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#113427 Jan 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Hey theres a good christian, whassup? Am I getting to you?
Juts because I cannot abide a liar and just because I do not agree with your lying BS does not make me ugly, inside or out, it simple meant that I cannot abide liars and I do not agree with your lying BS.
Hey, Im not the one with a god looking over my shoulder at the way you lie.
Honey, you were beaten, you were shown to be lying and all you can do now is hurl abuse, you look pretty pussywhipped to me
I didn't lie. You did! And please look up pussywhipped you idiot.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113428 Jan 4, 2013
obesity wrote:
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and Im Michael Jackson..if you are really 38 then you have the brain of a genius and the mentality of a 16 year old...you're very pale, have you ever had your vitamin D levels checked? the doctors say a lot of people are low in it these days and its making people very sick.
I get pale when I live in a city that gets almost zero sunlight. It's one of the many reasons I actually did not want to return to Western Washington, but meh, all my records were here.

As for your genius compliment, thank you, but I am not. I'm just a curious person who actually pays attention is all. I will not argue the mentality, I do claw at my youth trying to pull it back in like many others of my age group, the whole facing one's own mortality can cause that quite a bit. It's a psychological phenomenon we have come to fully understand, but we call it "mid life crisis," each has their own way of handling it, mine is embracing knowledge itself.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113429 Jan 4, 2013
appleboy wrote:
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I don't remember the exact quote, but Asimov said that the essential ingredient for good science fiction is to start with an impossible premise, then make it plausable.
He actually did that in spades. If you read his Opus series, they are all explanations of how his stories could occur based on the scientific understanding of that time. He was a genius, but one with so much creativity he wound up writing fiction and sparking that same creativity in technology across the globe. Because of him we now have cell phones and robotics we didn't even consider making until he proposed it. But I think you're looking for Francis Bacon for the quote:

Truth is so hard to tell, it sometimes needs fiction to make it plausible.
-Francis Bacon

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113430 Jan 4, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Piss off witch. If you're not butt-ugly on the outside then you sure as HELL are on the inside.
And please learn the meaning of "pussywhipped", ok? Language-impaired as well I see....
Not knowing slang is not the same as language impaired. A language impairment would be like not knowing the difference between a scientific definition of a word, and a layperson's definition. Not knowing slang terms is a cultural difference, and is inconsequential to any intelligent discussion.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113431 Jan 4, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, right...you're one of those "I'm not religious, I'm Christian" numbskulls. I'm not superstitious, I just believe in nonsense that has no basis in reality or evidence to support it.
Can you comprehend?? Did I say I was Christian? I don't think Christians would even entertain the idea of alien life.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113432 Jan 4, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>So, you have no intellectual curiosity and don't care why things work as they do. As long as you've got food, water, a roof, and a toilet, that's all you care about, and you don't care how those things happen, either. Doesn't that strike you as a rather shallow way to live? Is that what you'd teach your children to do with their lives? Or, would you hope that they developed their minds beyond basic survival and base pleasures?
Again, comprehension? In my line if work i already know how all of those things work especially plumbing and other mechanical systems..I'm sure my mechanical knowledge is way beyond yours.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113433 Jan 4, 2013
appleboy wrote:
<quoted text>But what IS it that could or should be taught in a history type class about aliens?

What is it that can be taught?

I'm not saying that speculation is a bad thing. But speculation should not be confused with actual information.

Here's a funny thing. I'm sure you would also see the humor in it. Several years ago when I was a supervisor overseeing the work of a clerical crew, someone turned on the radio to one of those call-in shows. The guest was a catholic priest who claimed to be an expert on pergatory. Most folks listened just for laughs, but a few took it very seriously. People called in for an hour and a half asking questions about what pergatory was like. The funny thing was that the priest kept giving answers as if he actually knew something about it, as if it were something real that he could have studied.

Can you see, we have the same problem with aliens?
OMG..I never said ancient astronaut theory was FACT!!! There are some people who believe there are facts, but I just see it a a possibility. I never said it should be taught in school in a biology or other science class. As far as the pergatory thing goes, it is funny.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#113434 Jan 4, 2013
obesity wrote:
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Can you comprehend?? Did I say I was Christian? I don't think Christians would even entertain the idea of alien life.
Of course they would. They believe in God.

You can't get more alien than that.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#113435 Jan 4, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I didn't lie.
REALLY?!?

Must've been after the New Year's resolution.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113436 Jan 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>I don’t know, did you?

You certainly implied that goddidt and after all, I can only base by assessment of you on the content of your posts.

There ya go, instantly “bs-ing” something before you ever looked at it you are co narrow minded you must be a godbot

FYI, The perimeter institute is one of the foremost the theoretical research establishments in the world in the subjects that, from your posts, you claim interest in but immediately BS when it is offered to you. Well done for displaying your personality so well.

We can also assume from your reply that you have no answer and yet expect other to have the answers you want to hear.
Then I guess you havent read any if my post..I believe it's a possibilty that our origins are not of earth..Christians and other religious people will never believe in alien life. So I guess the god dunnit thing is out
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113437 Jan 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>More guesswork and hatred from the pussywhipped godbot, well done

You spite is not doing your credibility any good whatsoever.
I think you may be the pussywhipped one
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#113438 Jan 4, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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No, I wouldn't expect that. But for example, the Lenski long-term experiments with E.coli has seen over 50,000 generations now and no trace of them evolving into anything other than varieties of E.coli. If these were chimp generations, you would have "macroevolution" observed with chimps to humans by now. But nothing at all with E.coli or plants or any organsim. All I am saying is, you've got this theory of evolution that is impossible to observe which then logically takes it outside the confines of the scientific method. You may be theorizing about history with fossils and genes but cannot observe it happening.
Except we've made tests using those fossils. Heck, even Darwin did. He predicted transitionals, we got 'em. Test passed, even though we're talking about evidence from millions of years previous.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#113439 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Not knowing slang is not the same as language impaired. A language impairment would be like not knowing the difference between a scientific definition of a word, and a layperson's definition. Not knowing slang terms is a cultural difference, and is inconsequential to any intelligent discussion.
It's improper use of a word regardless.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113440 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I get pale when I live in a city that gets almost zero sunlight. It's one of the many reasons I actually did not want to return to Western Washington, but meh, all my records were here.

As for your genius compliment, thank you, but I am not. I'm just a curious person who actually pays attention is all. I will not argue the mentality, I do claw at my youth trying to pull it back in like many others of my age group, the whole facing one's own mortality can cause that quite a bit. It's a psychological phenomenon we have come to fully understand, but we call it "mid life crisis," each has their own way of handling it, mine is embracing knowledge itself.
Take a vitamin D supplement and when the sunshine get out in it. Mid life crisis shall pass and you will be happy in your age. Embracing knowledge is good, but you've spent so much time doing it that maybe you need a change and to let you hair down and have some good ol fashion fun..it helps the mid life crisis

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113441 Jan 4, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
It's improper use of a word regardless.
I admit my flaws, I am not perfect with grammar and spelling. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113442 Jan 4, 2013
obesity wrote:
<quoted text>
Take a vitamin D supplement and when the sunshine get out in it. Mid life crisis shall pass and you will be happy in your age. Embracing knowledge is good, but you've spent so much time doing it that maybe you need a change and to let you hair down and have some good ol fashion fun..it helps the mid life crisis
Pft. I'll always grasp my youthfulness, I am not one to lay down in the grave until it is my time. I cannot take supplements, they do not process well in my bowels, unlike machines, no organism is the same as another.

I need nothing but knowledge, everything else is inconsequential, that is the greatest advantage to living in this nearly perfect era. Knowledge is what makes or breaks you, knowledge is how you prove yourself, and knowledge is what makes you beneficial, as well as immortal. For your mortality hinges on if you can leave a mark, you live only so long as that mark does.

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#113443 Jan 4, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I wouldn't expect that. But for example, the Lenski long-term experiments with E.coli has seen over 50,000 generations now and no trace of them evolving into anything other than varieties of E.coli. If these were chimp generations, you would have "macroevolution" observed with chimps to humans by now. But nothing at all with E.coli or plants or any organsim. All I am saying is, you've got this theory of evolution that is impossible to observe which then logically takes it outside the confines of the scientific method. You may be theorizing about history with fossils and genes but cannot observe it happening.
I am equally baffled as to why Linski would use E.coli in an experiment to show speciation. Speciation is something that occurs in sexually reproducing animals. But bacteria do not reproduce sexually. The best you can get is a new "strain". As Ooogah has pointed out, modern science has a ways to go to nail down a definition of species that all would agree upon.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113444 Jan 4, 2013
appleboy wrote:
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I am equally baffled as to why Linski would use E.coli in an experiment to show speciation. Speciation is something that occurs in sexually reproducing animals. But bacteria do not reproduce sexually. The best you can get is a new "strain". As Ooogah has pointed out, modern science has a ways to go to nail down a definition of species that all would agree upon.
Actually, it does occur in species that don't reproduce sexually, different species of bacteria show this. Human HIV and simian HIV are not just different strains, they are different species.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113445 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Pft. I'll always grasp my youthfulness, I am not one to lay down in the grave until it is my time. I cannot take supplements, they do not process well in my bowels, unlike machines, no organism is the same as another.

I need nothing but knowledge, everything else is inconsequential, that is the greatest advantage to living in this nearly perfect era. Knowledge is what makes or breaks you, knowledge is how you prove yourself, and knowledge is what makes you beneficial, as well as immortal. For your mortality hinges on if you can leave a mark, you live only so long as that mark does.
Why is it so important to leave a mark?.if your bowels can't hang get sun.

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