Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180394 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“There is no Truth in Faith”

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#113344 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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nope, im open to all ideas and i dont fill in holes..i say "what if." as far as i know our entire universe could simply be a booger in a giant beings nose and that giant beings universe may be a dandruff flake on another giants beings head..you cant say that it is or isnt true..you can just assume that it is not and say that its scientific truth. i do find it very arrogant for humans to believe they are the only life form out there.
No, you are wrong. We are all characters in a dream belonging to a mushroom sleeping in a steaming pile of dung.

Prove it ain't so!!
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113345 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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No, you are wrong. We are all characters in a dream belonging to a mushroom sleeping in a steaming pile of dung.
Prove it ain't so!!
I cant because it is a possibility. science cant prove that it isnt a possibility.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113346 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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I'm 38.
and Im Michael Jackson..if you are really 38 then you have the brain of a genius and the mentality of a 16 year old...you're very pale, have you ever had your vitamin D levels checked? the doctors say a lot of people are low in it these days and its making people very sick.

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#113347 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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I cant because it is a possibility. science cant prove that it isnt a possibility.
Leprechauns and fairies are dancing under your house.
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#113348 Jan 3, 2013
Macroevolution. You may not like the word. But it does separate fact from fantasy. Tell you what. Answer this question. Has a change from one kind of organsim into another different kind of organism ever been observed? If not, then it hasn't been observed. We haven't observed macroevolution. And if we haven't observed it then it's not even in the realm of science. It's not even science. It's an ideology. Or a religion. And a strong one at that.

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#113349 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Macroevolution. You may not like the word. But it does separate fact from fantasy. Tell you what. Answer this question. Has a change from one kind of organsim into another different kind of organism ever been observed? If not, then it hasn't been observed. We haven't observed macroevolution. And if we haven't observed it then it's not even in the realm of science. It's not even science. It's an ideology. Or a religion. And a strong one at that.
Define a different organism.
In what way is a cat a different organism from a dog?

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#113350 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Macroevolution. You may not like the word. But it does separate fact from fantasy. Tell you what. Answer this question. Has a change from one kind of organsim into another different kind of organism ever been observed? If not, then it hasn't been observed. We haven't observed macroevolution. And if we haven't observed it then it's not even in the realm of science. It's not even science. It's an ideology. Or a religion. And a strong one at that.
Every organism, living and dead are "transitory" forms in the evolutionary process. Just look in a mirror, you'll see one.
Mugwump

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#113351 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Macroevolution. You may not like the word. But it does separate fact from fantasy. Tell you what. Answer this question. Has a change from one kind of organsim into another different kind of organism ever been observed? If not, then it hasn't been observed. We haven't observed macroevolution. And if we haven't observed it then it's not even in the realm of science. It's not even science. It's an ideology. Or a religion. And a strong one at that.
And as I have pointed out before this is sheer double standards, you claim creation science is legitimate even though it's proponents (DI, AIG et al) presuppose the creation event and the existence of a deity (specifically YOUR deity) which has never been observed.

Is hypocrisy the 11th commandment ?
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#113352 Jan 3, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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And as I have pointed out before this is sheer double standards, you claim creation science is legitimate even though it's proponents (DI, AIG et al) presuppose the creation event and the existence of a deity (specifically YOUR deity) which has never been observed.
Is hypocrisy the 11th commandment ?
Well, let's see about that. Fair is fair. But first, do agree that macroevolution has not been observed?
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#113353 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Every organism, living and dead are "transitory" forms in the evolutionary process. Just look in a mirror, you'll see one.
Show the evidence.
obesity

South San Francisco, CA

#113354 Jan 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Leprechauns and fairies are dancing under your house.
I'm on a slab, but sugarplum fairies dance in my head
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#113355 Jan 3, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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Define a different organism.
In what way is a cat a different organism from a dog?
In significant ways. They are not even in the same family.

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#113356 Jan 3, 2013
Mother Mary wrote:
<quoted text>Kong take away all the cable/TV trash about ET/God. Forget everything "They" told you was the "Truth". Now, humans knew the earth was flat....its not. Humans know there is a God....really? Humans know there are to many gallaxies to comprehend whats really out there.....Just that statement alone should make every religious human stop and "Think"..........Loo k how far humans technology has evolved.........If another advanced race had just 100 years on this species.....Wow! The God story just doesnt make sense.

Why would an advanced alien species be even slightly interested in humans? At most they would pick up a few of us for their version of a zoo.

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#113357 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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I'm on a slab, but sugarplum fairies dance in my head
Those who can convince us of absurdity can lead us to commit atrocities.~Voltaire
Mugwump

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#113358 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Well, let's see about that. Fair is fair. But first, do agree that macroevolution has not been observed?
No, observations of speciation have been observered

http://www.mgc.edu/faculty/cready/evolcreat/s...

So now lets see about my original point shall we?

Are you employing double standards w.r.t. Creation science since the creation event or YOUR diety has never been directly observed?

Or do you want to dodge my point (for the umpteenth time)
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#113360 Jan 3, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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No, observations of speciation have been observered
http://www.mgc.edu/faculty/cready/evolcreat/s...
So now lets see about my original point shall we?
Are you employing double standards w.r.t. Creation science since the creation event or YOUR diety has never been directly observed?
Or do you want to dodge my point (for the umpteenth time)
No. Speciation is NOT macroevolution. Now I'll ask you again. Has macroevolution ever been observed?

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#113361 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Well, let's see about that. Fair is fair. But first, do agree that macroevolution has not been observed?
Not true at all. From; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

"...Ring species also present an interesting case of the species problem, for those who seek to divide the living world into discrete species. After all, all that distinguishes a ring species from two separate species is the existence of the connecting populations - if enough of the connecting populations within the ring perish to sever the breeding connection, the ring species' distal populations will be recognized as two distinct species.

The problem, then, is whether to quantify the whole ring as a single species (despite the fact that not all individuals can interbreed) or to classify each population as a distinct species (despite the fact that it can interbreed with its near neighbours). Ring species illustrate that the species concept is not as clear-cut as it is often thought to be...."

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#113362 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Macroevolution. You may not like the word. But it does separate fact from fantasy. Tell you what. Answer this question. Has a change from one kind of organsim into another different kind of organism ever been observed? If not, then it hasn't been observed.
Evolution isn't an event, it's a process. The results of the process are observable and ToE gives an explanation. Pretending that nothing could ever have happened without direct observation just makes you look more stupid (as if every inch of THAT territory had not already been explored).
Urban Cowboy wrote:
We haven't observed macroevolution. And if we haven't observed it then it's not even in the realm of science. It's not even science. It's an ideology. Or a religion. And a strong one at that.
I thought Marksman was the only one stupid enough to promote this argument.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#113363 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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No. Speciation is NOT macroevolution. Now I'll ask you again. Has macroevolution ever been observed?
Define macroevolution

Then answer my question (saves time don't you think to answer BOTH questions in one post)- has the creation event and / or YOUR deity been directly observed.

If not, then how can you legitimize creation science that has this as a over-ruling presupposition?

I know you won't answer this as you never do (hint : your next step is to get all 'Jimbo' on me)

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#113364 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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No. Speciation is NOT macroevolution. Now I'll ask you again. Has macroevolution ever been observed?
Then macroevolution as you are defining it makes no sense and is not part of evolutionary theory. Evolution involves speciation many times over hundreds of millions and even billions of years.

Only a religitard would be looking for a bird to give birth to something half mammal half bird. Nothing like this ever happened.

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