Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Dogen wrote:
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You are confusing 'Theory' with 'unsupported notion'.
You will fit in well with the creationists/IDers here who have neither a theory nor a clue.
I actually think that was his point. Not certain, but it seems like he was saying just that.

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Is 1952 "ancient" enough?

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Oh go choke on your haggis you lying witch.
What a lovely Xian thought! Jesus is very proud to have you as a fanatic! BTW.... Haggis is a Scottish delicacy, not English.
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Oh go choke on your haggis you lying witch.
Pretty much anyone who has ever dealt with "fundamentalist christian creationists" knows who the LIARS are.

Hey, aren't you a "fundamentalist christian creationist"?

Didn't we actually have a thread that reposted all of your LIES? Or at least "fundamentalist christian creationist" LIES that you regurgitate over and over again?
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Oh go choke on your haggis you lying witch.
I used to know a witch. Wiccan. Lovely woman. Very spiritual, moral, ethical, philosophical, intelligent, educated, well read, well travelled, etc.. Knew more about the theology and history of the Bible, and other religious texts, than anyone I've ever known. Her masters degree was in chemistry, but philosophy was her love.

IOW pretty much everything a "fundamentalist christian creationist" is not. I would take a witch like her over a "fundamentalist christian creationist" any day.
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I was not the one making any claims. You were the one that said that only a small fringe still believes in creation. You are the one that claimed the VAST majority of the world accepts the secular view of evolution and so far everything indicates that was erroneous or at best, extreme exaggeration based on biased opinion.
You suggest that if I travel (which I do widely) I will know what the world believes regarding origins? Laughable! It just doesn't work that way. If you travel to some country and lucky to ask one person there, that doesn't mean he or she reflects the views of the whole country. A ridiculous, immature notion. It's as if you have no education at all.
Your stupid unsupported chart comes from a highly biased source with an obvious agenda. New Scientist Magazine? Is this a joke? Listing Iceland, a country with barely a few hundred thousand people. The rest was western europe and Japan. So even with your stupid chart you still have no support to claim vast majority.
Talk about analytical skills. Dutchy, you are the quintessential bigot when it comes to Christiantiy and creation. You have no support for your claims - just talk.
Even if you had support for your claims it wouldn't matter to me or to anyone truly scientific as that is not evidence for anything. Those are just opinion polls.
Furthermore, it is trully non-scientific to conclude based on popularity. It should not even be discussed. Science should be based on evidence and not personal opinion. Especially from people like you who have an axe to grind...people like you who are so bigoted against Christians and other people of faith.
Can I give you some advice? Stop giving us your useless opinion and for once offer up some science. You know, maybe something about genetics or fossils or cosmology...anything but more of your broken record lunacy about goat herding and popularity. It is like you are posting the same cartoon over and over, year after year. It is mind-numbingly stupid!
Anyone who is REALLY interested can EASILY find out how pathetically unimportant "young Earth creationism" is in the world at large.

You can try and delude yourself into thinking that you "creationists" are taking over the world (or even participating in the arena of scientific discourse), but I DARE you to find ANY country where "young Earth creationism" is considered a valid "scientific theory" outside of you "fundamentalist christian creationists" FORCING it onto the countries populace through legislation, torture, imprisonment, threat of death, etc.. like you do here in the US and in fundamentalist islamic countries.

BTW I think that pretty much anyone reading these threads can see for themselves which one of us is "mind-numbingly stupid", Mr. The World is Only 6000 Years Old and the First Man Was Magically Conjured Up Fully Formed Out of a Pile of Dirt.
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Define "Theory" as it is used by science.

(Hint: It is not the same as the lay definition)

Then tell us how 'Ancient Aliens' qualifies as a scientific theory.
It's cannot be proven or disproven so it is a theory..maybe not on quite the same level as a scientific theory ( even though certain ancient astronaut theorist believe it to be scientific.) it's fun to discuss this kind of stuff with certain people. It's also funny when certain people use their " intelligence" to put down other people beliefs. It actually shows their lack of true intelligence.

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It's cannot be proven or disproven so it is a theory..maybe not on quite the same level as a scientific theory ( even though certain ancient astronaut theorist believe it to be scientific.) it's fun to discuss this kind of stuff with certain people. It's also funny when certain people use their " intelligence" to put down other people beliefs. It actually shows their lack of true intelligence.
A scientific theory is a collection of explanations, laws, and mechanisms that explain the observed facts occurring in the universe. The theories allow us to explain how these facts exist, why they exist, and what we can expect based on the facts. Like the theory of gravity, for example, explains the mathematical relations between object masses, and why there is an attraction we call gravity. There are formulas we call laws in the theory of gravity that explain what this phenomenon does, and what we can expect from the fact that objects with mass are attracted to each other. These laws are based on observable, testable, and verifiable data collected over the decades worth of time, as the theory gets more solid evidence it can be fine tuned and improved. The scientific method allows us to determine what evidence is accurate or flawed, by allowing other scientific minds the chance to test it. If the testing produces different results than the assertions made when the evidence was presented, an intelligent scientist goes back to the drawing board to find their error and see if they can figure out why their evidence produced incorrect results.

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It's cannot be proven or disproven so it is a theory..maybe not on quite the same level as a scientific theory ( even though certain ancient astronaut theorist believe it to be scientific.) it's fun to discuss this kind of stuff with certain people. It's also funny when certain people use their " intelligence" to put down other people beliefs. It actually shows their lack of true intelligence.
This is an 'Evolution vs Creation/Intelligent Design' forum.

As such, we argue the strengths and weaknesses of each position. "Ancient Aliens" is a pseudoscience. It will not be taught as science in public schools until there is clear, unambiguous evidence for alien visitation to this planet.

If you wish to argue (for 'fun' or on a more serious level) the possiblility of alien technology in constructing Stonehendge, or Atlantis, or the pyramids, I'm sure there are several Sci-Fi threads that are better suited for such commentary.

But to the rest of us on THESE threads, it is hokum.

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I used to know a witch. Wiccan. Lovely woman. Very spiritual, moral, ethical, philosophical, intelligent, educated, well read, well travelled, etc.. Knew more about the theology and history of the Bible, and other religious texts, than anyone I've ever known. Her masters degree was in chemistry, but philosophy was her love.
IOW pretty much everything a "fundamentalist christian creationist" is not. I would take a witch like her over a "fundamentalist christian creationist" any day.

I have known a few Wiccan's, too. I will take them, as a group, over the rank and file Xian's.
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<quoted text>A scientific theory is a collection of explanations, laws, and mechanisms that explain the observed facts occurring in the universe. The theories allow us to explain how these facts exist, why they exist, and what we can expect based on the facts. Like the theory of gravity, for example, explains the mathematical relations between object masses, and why there is an attraction we call gravity. There are formulas we call laws in the theory of gravity that explain what this phenomenon does, and what we can expect from the fact that objects with mass are attracted to each other. These laws are based on observable, testable, and verifiable data collected over the decades worth of time, as the theory gets more solid evidence it can be fine tuned and improved. The scientific method allows us to determine what evidence is accurate or flawed, by allowing other scientific minds the chance to test it. If the testing produces different results than the assertions made when the evidence was presented, an intelligent scientist goes back to the drawing board to find their error and see if they can figure out why their evidence produced incorrect results.
Yes, I read that exact thing word for word on a website.
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<quoted text>This is an 'Evolution vs Creation/Intelligent Design' forum.

As such, we argue the strengths and weaknesses of each position. "Ancient Aliens" is a pseudoscience. It will not be taught as science in public schools until there is clear, unambiguous evidence for alien visitation to this planet.

If you wish to argue (for 'fun' or on a more serious level) the possiblility of alien technology in constructing Stonehendge, or Atlantis, or the pyramids, I'm sure there are several Sci-Fi threads that are better suited for such commentary.

But to the rest of us on THESE threads, it is hokum.
This forum is an evolution vs creationism thread? I though it was should evolution be taught in school thread? I can't talk about aliens, but others can talk about witch craft and Wicca...hmm that's interesting. Yes, it is fun to talk about this stuff..do you not enjoy yourself when your discussing it? If not you sure spend a lot of time being angry. I guess if you paid my monthly Internet bill then I guess you could tell me where I can and cannot post...now quit getting your pocket protector in a bunch and get off your high horse.

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Yes, I read that exact thing word for word on a website.
Prove it.
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But I thought this thread was about British foul food vs American pressed garbage.

However, that doesn't give you the right, this thread is only for discussing if evoisim should be taught in high school, which the morons here trampled to death years ago and dam anyone who gets off subject, except for the morons.
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Prove it.
Google it and you will find it..oh wait a minute, i have a feeling you dont google, probably to layman for you..i liked your profile..you are so deep..i really hope you dont waste your highly intelligent mind simply youtubing and starbucking all day..dont you have a job? its crazy how many super intelligent people there are in this world, yet we have so few answers and the world is still a totally f'ed up place..i guess being so smart drives some people into a state of insanity that they cant actually do anything but sit on a computer..

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This forum is an evolution vs creationism thread? I though it was should evolution be taught in school thread? I can't talk about aliens, but others can talk about witch craft and Wicca...hmm that's interesting. Yes, it is fun to talk about this stuff..do you not enjoy yourself when your discussing it? If not you sure spend a lot of time being angry. I guess if you paid my monthly Internet bill then I guess you could tell me where I can and cannot post...now quit getting your pocket protector in a bunch and get off your high horse.
Your first two posts here were:
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Ancient alien theory should be taught in school
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It's ["Ancient Aliens"] a theory and if you look into it, it's just as relevant as the theory of evolution and creationism
...which speak volumes as to your educational level. If you wish to bring such nonsense to the board, nobody here will stop you. After all, we've got KAB expressing his confidence in a 6000 year-old universe, Knightmare with his (still unfunny) vampires and werewolves schtick, Jimbo (aka, "Oncemore") with his mind-numbing display of bat-shittery.

Who would I be to prevent you from joining their ranks?

FYI: I am NOT the most learned person on these threads. One reason I'm here is to LEARN from those that have more knowledge than I. And I HAVE learned a lot. I am also passionate about keeping religious nut-jobs out of public school curriculum planning.

So again: If you have something to offer in the way of science (or pseudoscience), be prepared to defend it.
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Kong_ wrote:
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This is an 'Evolution vs Creation/Intelligent Design' forum.
As such, we argue the strengths and weaknesses of each position. "Ancient Aliens" is a pseudoscience. It will not be taught as science in public schools until there is clear, unambiguous evidence for alien visitation to this planet.
If you wish to argue (for 'fun' or on a more serious level) the possiblility of alien technology in constructing Stonehendge, or Atlantis, or the pyramids, I'm sure there are several Sci-Fi threads that are better suited for such commentary.
But to the rest of us on THESE threads, it is hokum.
Kong take away all the cable/TV trash about ET/God. Forget everything "They" told you was the "Truth". Now, humans knew the earth was flat....its not. Humans know there is a God....really? Humans know there are to many gallaxies to comprehend whats really out there.....Just that statement alone should make every religious human stop and "Think"..........Loo k how far humans technology has evolved.........If another advanced race had just 100 years on this species.....Wow! The God story just doesnt make sense.

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<quoted text>Kong take away all the cable/TV trash about ET/God. Forget everything "They" told you was the "Truth". Now, humans knew the earth was flat....its not. Humans know there is a God....really? Humans know there are to many gallaxies to comprehend whats really out there.....that statement alone should make every religious human stop and "Think"..........Loo k how far humans technology has evolved.........If another advanced race had just 100 years on this species.....Wow! The God story just doesnt make sense.
I was raised Christian (Presbyterian, to be specific). I took the full course of indoctrination: Sunday School, Church, Vacation Bible School, sang in the choir, yadda, yadda, yadda.

But I was also continuoisly attending school. After a while, the facts I learned in school made more sense to me than the outrageous stories told by bronze-age shepards around campfires.

I am now an agnostic. My definition of this being that I dont know that a Supreme Deity exists or not. But I can say this: If such a deity IS out there, it is not the God as described in the Bible (or any other similar text).

Funny thing is about "Ancient Aliens", I would actually LIKE to see REAL evidence for alien visitation. But there is none. I feel the same way about Bigfoot -- and think there *MAY* be even more evidence for such a creature than there is for 'ancient aliens'.

But all that is just for sh!ts and giggles.

REAL science is much more fascinating.

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obesity wrote:
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Google it and you will find it..oh wait a minute, i have a feeling you dont google, probably to layman for you..i liked your profile..you are so deep..i really hope you dont waste your highly intelligent mind simply youtubing and starbucking all day..dont you have a job? its crazy how many super intelligent people there are in this world, yet we have so few answers and the world is still a totally f'ed up place..i guess being so smart drives some people into a state of insanity that they cant actually do anything but sit on a computer..
Well, I see no results in Google that even resemble my quote, so show us.
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Your first two posts here were:
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...which speak volumes as to your educational level. If you wish to bring such nonsense to the board, nobody here will stop you. After all, we've got KAB expressing his confidence in a 6000 year-old universe, Knightmare with his (still unfunny) vampires and werewolves schtick, Jimbo (aka, "Oncemore") with his mind-numbing display of bat-shittery.
Who would I be to prevent you from joining their ranks?
FYI: I am NOT the most learned person on these threads. One reason I'm here is to LEARN from those that have more knowledge than I. And I HAVE learned a lot. I am also passionate about keeping religious nut-jobs out of public school curriculum planning.
So again: If you have something to offer in the way of science (or pseudoscience), be prepared to defend it.
should evolution be taught in highschool is the title of this thread. in highschool I learned about mythology, read fictional books in literature classes and learned about many things that were not facts. I even learned about peoples theories. should evolution and creationism be taught in schools?? WHY NOT? I think only facts about biology should be taught in a biology class..but there are other classes that these theories can be taught in. Like I said earlier..ancient alien theory is just a theory even though some theorist think they have scientific proof backing it up. i never once claimed it to be a scientific theory. in my opinion we havent even scratched the surface as to what is really going on..all these "smart" people will probably be very shocked if they found out the truth about human origins. evolution is just a very tiny piece of a massive puzzle..im surpirsed you are not the most learned person on this thread..i bet steven hawkings brain pales in comparison to yours.

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