Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 178688 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#113185 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Yes, I lived and worked there over the years. France and many other places too. We generally stuck to Indian Food. Please take my comments with a sense of humor. I'm mostly kidding around. I love British people.
Yes the fast food joints are easy to find. That's the strategy. And did you notice who's eating there? Mostly low income and tourists! I haven't been to a fast food joint in ages. The food sucks and is high in fat and salt and sugar to get poor unsuspecting people addicted to it and the overly sweetened carbonated drinks that go with. Only suckers eat at places like Burger King (founded in Miami b/t/w), McDonalds, KYC, Wendy's, Taco Bell, etc.
They're found along busy roads and intersections for a reason. I doubt you'll ever see a professional or educated person eat there. Just becaues you see them doesn't mean we eat there. Certainly people into health and fitness don't. There is lots of American gimmicks to get your money. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's good. That's the seedy side of Miami that you should drive past.
Explore South Florida's well-established Chef-Centered culinary culture. Thousands of chef-run little jems to dazzle your palate. This is a hub of fine-dining and culinary education nerve-center. A natural because of our high tourist traffic and cruise industry.
I’ll take your comments how they read, not how you make hindsight excuses for them

I have explored the dining scene from Orlando down Miami to a limited extent and to be honest I found it reasonably ok, particularly the seafood. I can’t say I found anywhere to rave about but had no complaints either.

However I was not the one sniping at what is the British roadside cafe and take away equivalent of US junk food as though that’s what we all eat.

The food in the UK, has evolved rapidly in my lifetime to become amongst the best there is to offer and taking the p|ss from what appears to be the position of ignorance or malice just makes you look silly

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#113186 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Doesn't change the price does it?
Yes actually it does, the difference between the price for a complete 3 course meal and something considerably more if one had taken your lies as serious.

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#113187 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I’ll take your comments how they read, not how you make hindsight excuses for them
I have explored the dining scene from Orlando down Miami to a limited extent and to be honest I found it reasonably ok, particularly the seafood. I can’t say I found anywhere to rave about but had no complaints either.
However I was not the one sniping at what is the British roadside cafe and take away equivalent of US junk food as though that’s what we all eat.
The food in the UK, has evolved rapidly in my lifetime to become amongst the best there is to offer and taking the p|ss from what appears to be the position of ignorance or malice just makes you look silly
So you concede the fact that I was right and you were wrong about the price. Go ahead, admit it. Admit that you were wrong.

OK, all is forgiven.

I have reservations in a few weeks at the Prelude by Barton-G which is located in the Adrienne Arsht Performing Arts Center. Full course gourmet meal for under $50!

http://www.preludebybartong.com/

(Afterward it's the Cleveland Orchestra and Joshua Bell playing Beethoven's Violin Concerto and Shostakovich #10.)

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#113188 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes actually it does, the difference between the price for a complete 3 course meal and something considerably more if one had taken your lies as serious.
Please show your calculation. I used 195 GBP as advertised on their website "The Tasting Menu" here:

http://www.thefatduck.co.uk/The-Menus/Tasting...

Please look at the menu. I am not lying!

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#113189 Jan 2, 2013

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#113190 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Surely you mean recind. I accept and Happy New Year. We have our differences but one thing is for sure, you are real and very talented and speak your mind. I appreciate that.

Complementing people? You still drunk?

Seriously, I hope you have a happy new year.

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#113191 Jan 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are correct in that I do scroll past most of his junk. It's hard to tolerate redundancy.

To suggest that Jimbo is redundant is, in itself, redundant.

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#113192 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I was not the one making any claims. You were the one that said that only a small fringe still believes in creation. You are the one that claimed the VAST majority of the world accepts the secular view of evolution and so far everything indicates that was erroneous or at best, extreme exaggeration based on biased opinion.
You suggest that if I travel (which I do widely) I will know what the world believes regarding origins? Laughable! It just doesn't work that way. If you travel to some country and lucky to ask one person there, that doesn't mean he or she reflects the views of the whole country. A ridiculous, immature notion. It's as if you have no education at all.
Your stupid unsupported chart comes from a highly biased source with an obvious agenda. New Scientist Magazine? Is this a joke? Listing Iceland, a country with barely a few hundred thousand people. The rest was western europe and Japan. So even with your stupid chart you still have no support to claim vast majority.
Talk about analytical skills. Dutchy, you are the quintessential bigot when it comes to Christiantiy and creation. You have no support for your claims - just talk.
Even if you had support for your claims it wouldn't matter to me or to anyone truly scientific as that is not evidence for anything. Those are just opinion polls.
Furthermore, it is trully non-scientific to conclude based on popularity. It should not even be discussed. Science should be based on evidence and not personal opinion. Especially from people like you who have an axe to grind...people like you who are so bigoted against Christians and other people of faith.
Can I give you some advice? Stop giving us your useless opinion and for once offer up some science. You know, maybe something about genetics or fossils or cosmology...anything but more of your broken record lunacy about goat herding and popularity. It is like you are posting the same cartoon over and over, year after year. It is mind-numbingly stupid!

he must have nailed you for you to spend that many words trying to work out a dodge.

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#113193 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I should have said most. Big deal.

But you playing lightly with the facts is very typical and IS a big deal.

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#113194 Jan 2, 2013
steverye wrote:
There is not a theory of evolution. There is a fact of evolution.

Actually there is both.

There is a theory of evolution and
there is a(are) fact(s) of evolution.

In the same way there are theories of gravity and the fact of gravity.

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#113195 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Microevolution (observed,tested)is a fact and Macroevolution (no evidence) is a theory (and a bad one.)


Actually, macroevolution has more observations, testing, validation than microevolution.

Another inconvenient truth.

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#113196 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Re read you own link – THREE courses
Starter and main and desert
Now whos looking stupid?

When I go out with my wife and son we generally like to spend less than $40 to $50 for the three of us.

But you are really arguing a non issue with Urban. He likes these little diversions to stay away from the fact of evolution.

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#113197 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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So you concede the fact that I was right and you were wrong about the price. Go ahead, admit it. Admit that you were wrong.
OK, all is forgiven.
I have reservations in a few weeks at the Prelude by Barton-G which is located in the Adrienne Arsht Performing Arts Center. Full course gourmet meal for under $50!
http://www.preludebybartong.com/
(Afterward it's the Cleveland Orchestra and Joshua Bell playing Beethoven's Violin Concerto and Shostakovich #10.)
Sorry, I don’t understand, you were proven to have lied and yet you claim victory, is this a christian thing?
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Please show your calculation. I used 195 GBP as advertised on their website "The Tasting Menu" here:
http://www.thefatduck.co.uk/The-Menus/Tasting...
Please look at the menu. I am not lying!
No calculations needed, the MENU includes the entire meal, not as you stated in
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...

“Their site provides the menu price of 195 GBP just for the main entry.“

SEE THAT “just for the main entry”- a lie

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#113198 Jan 2, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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When I go out with my wife and son we generally like to spend less than $40 to $50 for the three of us.
But you are really arguing a non issue with Urban. He likes these little diversions to stay away from the fact of evolution.
$40 to $50 for three -nuff said…

To me it’s not a non issue, I enjoy food and feel that good food is worth experiencing

I have offered him evidence with links of how much British food has “evolved” and his cheapening it with lies and comparison with roadside truck stop fare is sickening but certainly expected from a good christian.

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#113199 Jan 2, 2013
Mtum wrote:
Science hates the truth!!!
Mtum | 19 min ago
Right, that's why all of science is too stupid to see that gravity is a push, pull, effect, proven by our space junk in high orbit, moron.
I can see how you would feel that way. Science is notorious for failing to recognize the efforts of those citizens who wish to skate by on sub-minimum thinking. Science should grow up and realize that stupid people have the same right to be considered to be world class geniuses as world class geniuses. They treat stupid people like ordinary morons. But we know that you are not an ordinary moron.

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#113200 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Oh but you said the VAST majority didn't you? It turns out that what you said certainly is not true in the States. You need to be very careful of what you say. Support your claims with evidence. Happy New Year.
The vast majority of people don't really care that much one way or the other about evolution. They get by in life driving trucks, fixing cars, announcing the news, selling products, etc. But the vast majority of those who actually need to have a working understanding of life systems do support evolution. And of course there are a small minority of folks from all walks of life who take sides on the subject of evolution in internet forums.

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#113201 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Sorry, I don’t understand, you were proven to have lied and yet you claim victory, is this a christian thing?
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No calculations needed, the MENU includes the entire meal, not as you stated in
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...
“Their site provides the menu price of 195 GBP just for the main entry.“
SEE THAT “just for the main entry”- a lie
Why do you keep bring up Christianity? How is that relevant? It's not a lie if I meant it was the price for the food. That is usually the main part of the meal. There is no separate prices for different courses. It's all inclusive. There is only one price. That means either you don't eat there or you pay the 195 and eat what they serve you. Is that so hard to understand? Wine is extra. Tip is extra. There is one price for the meal- 195. If you notice I said the wine and tip would be extra. You are just trying to nit-pick a poor choice of words perhaps, but the menu price is still 195. Period. You were way out line saying:

"Where the fook do you get 350USD from? Oh I know; it’s a guess, it’s good and really telling what you christians can guess at even if it does make you look stupid."

Christians comment again? Totally unsupported comment; misleading, snarky, insulting, bigoted, distorting, and dishonest. Horrible behavior! You're just another idiot religious bigot. It would not matter what I said, you'd find a way to attack it because you loath me and what you perceive of me. You must live in a very dark, sick world. This is all due to your own insecurities. Godless/soulless. I pity you.

End of conversation.

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#113202 Jan 2, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I agree with you - that evolution has made successful predictions about what we will observe or find in nature. Tiktaalik is a classic example, and this is prediction in the sense of testing a theory.
However, I am pointing to another issue, given some attention since the arrival of chaos and complexity theory along with quantum mechanics. It is about the inherent unpredictability of complex systems.
An early view of science was that given enough information about the current state, and the right laws, the future would be entirely predictable. We no longer believe that, understanding that the predictability of complex systems is inherent, and no amount of information will ever render them predictable.
I don't know if you ever read Asimov...back in my early days I read Foundation where psychology was going to be so accurate that the whole future of the Empire was mapped out by a bunch of equations...this is a view of science that is well and truly dead now!
Back in the day I was a huge fan of Asimov's Foundation series. But I didn't look at it as a grand idea that could predict the future. It seemed to me to be a grand idea to view the history of how empires rise and fall. In the first novel, what started out as "psychology" grew to envelope all of the fields of "galactic" knowledge. He prognosticates that in the future--as in the past--that the most powerful source of empire is in the wise use of information.
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#113203 Jan 2, 2013
Ancient alien theory should be taught in school

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#113204 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Microevolution (observed,tested)is a fact and Macroevolution (no evidence) is a theory (and a bad one.)
You are getting close to understanding evolution. Yes, microevolution has been the process behind common ancestry for 3.5 billion years. But macroevolution (as defined by creationists) is a strawman that is not supported by science. There's no evidence that supports the idea of speciation in one generation.

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