Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179707 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Since: Aug 07

United States

#113201 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Sorry, I don’t understand, you were proven to have lied and yet you claim victory, is this a christian thing?
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No calculations needed, the MENU includes the entire meal, not as you stated in
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...
“Their site provides the menu price of 195 GBP just for the main entry.“
SEE THAT “just for the main entry”- a lie
Why do you keep bring up Christianity? How is that relevant? It's not a lie if I meant it was the price for the food. That is usually the main part of the meal. There is no separate prices for different courses. It's all inclusive. There is only one price. That means either you don't eat there or you pay the 195 and eat what they serve you. Is that so hard to understand? Wine is extra. Tip is extra. There is one price for the meal- 195. If you notice I said the wine and tip would be extra. You are just trying to nit-pick a poor choice of words perhaps, but the menu price is still 195. Period. You were way out line saying:

"Where the fook do you get 350USD from? Oh I know; it’s a guess, it’s good and really telling what you christians can guess at even if it does make you look stupid."

Christians comment again? Totally unsupported comment; misleading, snarky, insulting, bigoted, distorting, and dishonest. Horrible behavior! You're just another idiot religious bigot. It would not matter what I said, you'd find a way to attack it because you loath me and what you perceive of me. You must live in a very dark, sick world. This is all due to your own insecurities. Godless/soulless. I pity you.

End of conversation.

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#113202 Jan 2, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I agree with you - that evolution has made successful predictions about what we will observe or find in nature. Tiktaalik is a classic example, and this is prediction in the sense of testing a theory.
However, I am pointing to another issue, given some attention since the arrival of chaos and complexity theory along with quantum mechanics. It is about the inherent unpredictability of complex systems.
An early view of science was that given enough information about the current state, and the right laws, the future would be entirely predictable. We no longer believe that, understanding that the predictability of complex systems is inherent, and no amount of information will ever render them predictable.
I don't know if you ever read Asimov...back in my early days I read Foundation where psychology was going to be so accurate that the whole future of the Empire was mapped out by a bunch of equations...this is a view of science that is well and truly dead now!
Back in the day I was a huge fan of Asimov's Foundation series. But I didn't look at it as a grand idea that could predict the future. It seemed to me to be a grand idea to view the history of how empires rise and fall. In the first novel, what started out as "psychology" grew to envelope all of the fields of "galactic" knowledge. He prognosticates that in the future--as in the past--that the most powerful source of empire is in the wise use of information.
obesity

United States

#113203 Jan 2, 2013
Ancient alien theory should be taught in school

“Don't get me started”

Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#113204 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Microevolution (observed,tested)is a fact and Macroevolution (no evidence) is a theory (and a bad one.)
You are getting close to understanding evolution. Yes, microevolution has been the process behind common ancestry for 3.5 billion years. But macroevolution (as defined by creationists) is a strawman that is not supported by science. There's no evidence that supports the idea of speciation in one generation.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#113205 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I’ll take your comments how they read, not how you make hindsight excuses for them
I have explored the dining scene from Orlando down Miami to a limited extent and to be honest I found it reasonably ok, particularly the seafood. I can’t say I found anywhere to rave about but had no complaints either.
However I was not the one sniping at what is the British roadside cafe and take away equivalent of US junk food as though that’s what we all eat.
The food in the UK, has evolved rapidly in my lifetime to become amongst the best there is to offer and taking the p|ss from what appears to be the position of ignorance or malice just makes you look silly
Christine, should you find yourself back here in Orlando ("O-do"), let me know.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#113206 Jan 2, 2013
obesity wrote:
Ancient alien theory should be taught in school
Based upon what facts?

“When you treat people as they ”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#113207 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Why do you keep bring up Christianity? How is that relevant? It's not a lie if I meant it was the price for the food. That is usually the main part of the meal. There is no separate prices for different courses. It's all inclusive. There is only one price. That means either you don't eat there or you pay the 195 and eat what they serve you. Is that so hard to understand? Wine is extra. Tip is extra. There is one price for the meal- 195. If you notice I said the wine and tip would be extra. You are just trying to nit-pick a poor choice of words perhaps, but the menu price is still 195. Period. You were way out line saying:
"Where the fook do you get 350USD from? Oh I know; it’s a guess, it’s good and really telling what you christians can guess at even if it does make you look stupid."
Christians comment again? Totally unsupported comment; misleading, snarky, insulting, bigoted, distorting, and dishonest. Horrible behavior! You're just another idiot religious bigot. It would not matter what I said, you'd find a way to attack it because you loath me and what you perceive of me. You must live in a very dark, sick world. This is all due to your own insecurities. Godless/soulless. I pity you.
End of conversation.
Making a bold “End of conversation” statement don’t work, you have a go, I have a go right back is how it works here.

Why should I not bring up religion? It is my experience that christians in particular lie, and you appear to be lying… whether you meant it or not you attempted misdirection by writing a falsehood – i.e lying.

Maybe you made a poor choice of words but am not a mind reader so where you get off attempting to blame me for your error is a mystery, oh wait a moment, you are christian, right. Sorry you don’t like being associated with christians but your posts tell a story.

Wrong I don’t loath you (much) I do however have no tolerance for lies whether they be intentional or not and as I said before christians have a propensity to lie. And will never hold their hands up and admit guilt when they are caught out will you?

Godless, yes, soulless, no. You omit to ask why I am godless? There are many reason but I will cite the a god inspired person who considers me “misleading, snarky, insulting, bigoted, distorting, and dishonest” with “Horrible behaviour” and an idiot religious bigot” based on nothing other than the fact that they have been caught out lying.

Honey I was not the one attempting to mislead anyone. That was YOU.
I was not the one insulting the food of another nation. That was YOU
I was not the one claiming you were bigoted based on the fact that I don’t agree with you, that’s YOU.
I was not the one being dishonest, that was YOU
I am not the one claiming horrible behaviour based on nothing more than I defended the product and culture you slighted based nothing but outdated knowledge and downright spite, that was YOU.
And as for religious bigot seems strange that the majority of christians who are shown up for what they really are claim religious bigotry is used against them.

“When you treat people as they ”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#113208 Jan 2, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Christine, should you find yourself back here in Orlando ("O-do"), let me know.
Consider it a promise

Can’t say when though.
obesity

United States

#113209 Jan 2, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>Based upon what facts?
It's a theory and if you look into it, it's just as relevant as the theory of evolution and creationism
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#113210 Jan 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Making a bold “End of conversation” statement don’t work, you have a go, I have a go right back is how it works here.
Why should I not bring up religion? It is my experience that christians in particular lie, and you appear to be lying… whether you meant it or not you attempted misdirection by writing a falsehood – i.e lying.
Maybe you made a poor choice of words but am not a mind reader so where you get off attempting to blame me for your error is a mystery, oh wait a moment, you are christian, right. Sorry you don’t like being associated with christians but your posts tell a story.
Wrong I don’t loath you (much) I do however have no tolerance for lies whether they be intentional or not and as I said before christians have a propensity to lie. And will never hold their hands up and admit guilt when they are caught out will you?
Godless, yes, soulless, no. You omit to ask why I am godless? There are many reason but I will cite the a god inspired person who considers me “misleading, snarky, insulting, bigoted, distorting, and dishonest” with “Horrible behaviour” and an idiot religious bigot” based on nothing other than the fact that they have been caught out lying.
Honey I was not the one attempting to mislead anyone. That was YOU.
I was not the one insulting the food of another nation. That was YOU
I was not the one claiming you were bigoted based on the fact that I don’t agree with you, that’s YOU.
I was not the one being dishonest, that was YOU
I am not the one claiming horrible behaviour based on nothing more than I defended the product and culture you slighted based nothing but outdated knowledge and downright spite, that was YOU.
And as for religious bigot seems strange that the majority of christians who are shown up for what they really are claim religious bigotry is used against them.
Oh go choke on your haggis you lying witch.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#113211 Jan 2, 2013
obesity wrote:
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It's a theory and if you look into it, it's just as relevant as the theory of evolution and creationism
Define "Theory" as it is used by science.

(Hint: It is not the same as the lay definition)

Then tell us how 'Ancient Aliens' qualifies as a scientific theory.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#113213 Jan 2, 2013
obesity wrote:
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It's a theory and if you look into it, it's just as relevant as the theory of evolution and creationism
http://www.manolith.com/files/2012/12/ancient...
One way or another

United States

#113214 Jan 2, 2013
Aww ain't that cute, monkey boy got one.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#113215 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Why do you keep bring up Christianity? How is that relevant? It's not a lie if I meant it was the price for the food. That is usually the main part of the meal. There is no separate prices for different courses. It's all inclusive. There is only one price. That means either you don't eat there or you pay the 195 and eat what they serve you. Is that so hard to understand? Wine is extra. Tip is extra. There is one price for the meal- 195. If you notice I said the wine and tip would be extra. You are just trying to nit-pick a poor choice of words perhaps, but the menu price is still 195. Period. You were way out line saying:
"Where the fook do you get 350USD from? Oh I know; it’s a guess, it’s good and really telling what you christians can guess at even if it does make you look stupid."
Christians comment again? Totally unsupported comment; misleading, snarky, insulting, bigoted, distorting, and dishonest. Horrible behavior! You're just another idiot religious bigot. It would not matter what I said, you'd find a way to attack it because you loath me and what you perceive of me. You must live in a very dark, sick world. This is all due to your own insecurities. Godless/soulless. I pity you.
End of conversation.

Don't worry UC, I have never though of you as a Christian and am pretty sure I never will.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#113216 Jan 2, 2013
obesity wrote:
Ancient alien theory should be taught in school

You are confusing 'Theory' with 'unsupported notion'.

You will fit in well with the creationists/IDers here who have neither a theory nor a clue.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113217 Jan 2, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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You are confusing 'Theory' with 'unsupported notion'.
You will fit in well with the creationists/IDers here who have neither a theory nor a clue.
I actually think that was his point. Not certain, but it seems like he was saying just that.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#113218 Jan 2, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
Is 1952 "ancient" enough?

http://www.google.com/imgres...
Elohim

Branford, CT

#113219 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Oh go choke on your haggis you lying witch.
What a lovely Xian thought! Jesus is very proud to have you as a fanatic! BTW.... Haggis is a Scottish delicacy, not English.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#113220 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Oh go choke on your haggis you lying witch.
Pretty much anyone who has ever dealt with "fundamentalist christian creationists" knows who the LIARS are.

Hey, aren't you a "fundamentalist christian creationist"?

Didn't we actually have a thread that reposted all of your LIES? Or at least "fundamentalist christian creationist" LIES that you regurgitate over and over again?
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#113221 Jan 2, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Oh go choke on your haggis you lying witch.
I used to know a witch. Wiccan. Lovely woman. Very spiritual, moral, ethical, philosophical, intelligent, educated, well read, well travelled, etc.. Knew more about the theology and history of the Bible, and other religious texts, than anyone I've ever known. Her masters degree was in chemistry, but philosophy was her love.

IOW pretty much everything a "fundamentalist christian creationist" is not. I would take a witch like her over a "fundamentalist christian creationist" any day.

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