Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180279 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#113141 Jan 1, 2013
Who's with me for a bit of new year gambling action ?

Number of nonsense posts before Jimbo runs out of steam
5 at odds of 10-1
10 at odds of 15 - 1
15 at odds of 19- 1

Repeats of his gravity nonsense
2 at odds of 3-1
1 at evens

Calling everyone a moron
Every post 1 - 5

Adding something worthwhile to the dialogue
100000 - 1

As always take dollars, sterling at a pinch , No euros

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113142 Jan 1, 2013
Mtum wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to prove you're not a lying moron, tell us what those 2 morons said, that mention so much to you and then show their supporting evidence you little pis ant.
You want evidence for an opinion? Are you trying to be funny, because if so, it's not a very good joke, you need a punchline.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113143 Jan 1, 2013
Mtum wrote:
<quoted text>
Change the subject moron and then offer no evidence, that's what people that hate science do, you deceitful little twit.
I didn't change the subject at all, I addressed one of the fallacies in your assertion and demonstrated why it's a fallacious point. The evidence is your lack of evidence to demonstrate that the laws provided by physics are wrong. Satellites fall on their own, you said it yourself, therefore there is no "push" that is constant, therefore there is no natural "push" to gravity.

You fail at science so much, it's sad really. You actually think you're doing something but in reality you know so little about the subject I bet you don't even know the mathematical formulas of gravitational attraction.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#113144 Jan 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh but you said the VAST majority didn't you?
Yes I did.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>It turns out that what you said certainly is not true in the States.
So what. I never said "in the United States", did I? That would be YOU saying that. And as I said before, the USA is NOT the world, despite what you may think.

Here, I'll repost my EXACT words for you, my post #1133104, posted 7 hours ago:
MIDutch wrote:
<quoted text>
By "nobody" you mean "a small and dying minority cult of christians and muslims who think their bronze age, goat herder FAIRY TALES are literally and inerrantly true", don't you? The VAST majority of the world's scientists and population can easily see and understand the VAST amount of logic, reasoning, observations, experiments, scientific research and empirical evidence that exists for the Theory of Evolution
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>You need to be very careful of what you say. Support your claims with evidence.
You should be more careful of what you read.

The evidence is that only a small percentage of the world's population are "fundamentalist christian or muslim creationists" who adhere to a ridiculous bronze age, "literal and inerrant" goat herder FAIRY TALE.

The evidence is that around 55% of the worlds population is NOT Christian or Muslim.

The evidence is that most CHRISTIANS around the world think you guys are nuts.

Ergo, the VAST MAJORITY of the world's scientists and populace do not, unless of course you don't think 90%, 95% are NOT vast majorities.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>Happy New Year.
Same to you.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113145 Jan 1, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
Who's with me for a bit of new year gambling action ?
Number of nonsense posts before Jimbo runs out of steam
5 at odds of 10-1
10 at odds of 15 - 1
15 at odds of 19- 1
Repeats of his gravity nonsense
2 at odds of 3-1
1 at evens
Calling everyone a moron
Every post 1 - 5
Adding something worthwhile to the dialogue
100000 - 1
As always take dollars, sterling at a pinch , No euros
You should add at least three more "repeats of gravity nonsense," 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 should cover it.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#113146 Jan 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that's what Dutchy did. I just showed he was wrong based on a Gallup poll.
No, YOU were wrong on inadequate reading comprehension.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>And I agree with you on the popularity bit.
Yeah, but we're also the ones with BILLIONS and BILLIONS of bits of information, data and empirical evidence, collected over the past 200 years, studied and researched by TENS OF MILLIONS of scientists and technicians and students, from EVERY scientific discipline, form EVERY religious denomination, in TENS OF THOUSANDS of museums, universities, research laboratories, excavation sites, observatories, research hospitals, etc. all around the world, including, but not limited to, the following:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/

http://www.nature.com/

http://www.popsci.com/

http://scienceblogs.com/

http://www.physorg.com/

http://www.newscientist.com/

http://www.livescience.com/

http://www.nasa.gov/

http://www.noaa.gov/

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/

http://www.dmns.org/

http://www.ansp.org/

http://www.carnegiemnh.org/

http://www.fieldmuseum.org/

http://www.si.edu/

http://www.amnh.org/

http://www.museumoftherockies.org/

http://www.nhm.org/site/

http://www.nps.gov/dino/index.htm

http://www.tarpits.org/

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/

http://www.naturalsciences.be/

http://www.kahaku.go.jp/english/

http://www.lsa.umich.edu/biology/

http://biology.nd.edu/

http://golgi.harvard.edu/biolinks.html

http://www.molbio.princeton.edu/

http://biology.stanford.edu/

http://www.colorado.edu/eeb/

http://www.biology4all.com/biosci_depts.asp

http://www.bio.cam.ac.uk/

http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/lifesciences

http://dps.plants.ox.ac.uk/plants/

http://www.gla.ac.uk/faculties/fbls/eeb/

http://www.studeren.uva.nl/msc_general_biolog...

http://www.biol.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/english/index...

http://www.bio.pku.edu.cn/english/

List of Biology Organizations: http://www.dmoz.org/Science/Biology/Organizat...

List of Biology Systems Research Groups: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_systems_...

List of Natural History Museums: http://www.lib.washington.edu/sla/natmus.html

List of universities, colleges and junior colleges in the United States: http://www.utexas.edu/world/univ/state/

List of Biotechnology Companies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biotechn...

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#113147 Jan 1, 2013
Mtum wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to prove you're not a lying moron, tell us what those 2 morons said, that mention so much to you and then show their supporting evidence you little pis ant.
Still chomping at the bit to show your ass. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

United States

#113148 Jan 1, 2013
MIDutch wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I did.
<quoted text>
So what. I never said "in the United States", did I? That would be YOU saying that. And as I said before, the USA is NOT the world, despite what you may think.
Here, I'll repost my EXACT words for you, my post #1133104, posted 7 hours ago:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You should be more careful of what you read.
The evidence is that only a small percentage of the world's population are "fundamentalist christian or muslim creationists" who adhere to a ridiculous bronze age, "literal and inerrant" goat herder FAIRY TALE.
The evidence is that around 55% of the worlds population is NOT Christian or Muslim.
The evidence is that most CHRISTIANS around the world think you guys are nuts.
Ergo, the VAST MAJORITY of the world's scientists and populace do not, unless of course you don't think 90%, 95% are NOT vast majorities.
<quoted text>
Same to you.
Yes I know. The US is 300 million or so. The world is 7 Billion. So reveal your evidence or admit it's only your opinion.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#113149 Jan 1, 2013
Mtum wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh boo hop, one of the morons other alter who's is mad. Lol
What? Is this incoherent, inbred hillbilly rant supposed to be an insult or a mission statement?
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

United States

#113150 Jan 1, 2013
MIDutch wrote:
<quoted text>
No, YOU were wrong on inadequate reading comprehension.
<quoted text>
Yeah, but we're also the ones with BILLIONS and BILLIONS of bits of information, data and empirical evidence, collected over the past 200 years, studied and researched by TENS OF MILLIONS of scientists and technicians and students, from EVERY scientific discipline, form EVERY religious denomination, in TENS OF THOUSANDS of museums, universities, research laboratories, excavation sites, observatories, research hospitals, etc. all around the world, including, but not limited to, the following:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/
http://www.nature.com/
http://www.popsci.com/
http://scienceblogs.com/
http://www.physorg.com/
http://www.newscientist.com/
http://www.livescience.com/
http://www.nasa.gov/
http://www.noaa.gov/
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/
http://www.dmns.org/
http://www.ansp.org/
http://www.carnegiemnh.org/
http://www.fieldmuseum.org/
http://www.si.edu/
http://www.amnh.org/
http://www.museumoftherockies.org/
http://www.nhm.org/site/
http://www.nps.gov/dino/index.htm
http://www.tarpits.org/
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/
http://www.naturalsciences.be/
http://www.kahaku.go.jp/english/
http://www.lsa.umich.edu/biology/
http://biology.nd.edu/
http://golgi.harvard.edu/biolinks.html
http://www.molbio.princeton.edu/
http://biology.stanford.edu/
http://www.colorado.edu/eeb/
http://www.biology4all.com/biosci_depts.asp
http://www.bio.cam.ac.uk/
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/lifesciences
http://dps.plants.ox.ac.uk/plants/
http://www.gla.ac.uk/faculties/fbls/eeb/
http://www.studeren.uva.nl/msc_general_biolog...
http://www.biol.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/english/index...
http://www.bio.pku.edu.cn/english/
List of Biology Organizations: http://www.dmoz.org/Science/Biology/Organizat...
List of Biology Systems Research Groups: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_systems_...
List of Natural History Museums: http://www.lib.washington.edu/sla/natmus.html
List of universities, colleges and junior colleges in the United States: http://www.utexas.edu/world/univ/state/
List of Biotechnology Companies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biotechn...
Interesting that you list just US organizations!
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#113151 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You should add at least three more "repeats of gravity nonsense," 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 should cover it.
Ahhh, how little you know Jimbo, he normally only has 3-4 hours of nonsense posts before he peters out - he tends to utilize that precious time with insulting everyone, being oblivious to the irony when he asks people for evidence - then going for some wild conspiracy theory.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

United States

#113152 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, then I reascend that portion and apologize for making the assumption.
Surely you mean recind. I accept and Happy New Year. We have our differences but one thing is for sure, you are real and very talented and speak your mind. I appreciate that.
Mtum

United States

#113153 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You want evidence for an opinion? Are you trying to be funny, because if so, it's not a very good joke, you need a punchline.
Yes you furling idiot, although by your words you're too stupid to realize that an opinion needs supporting evidence, to be worth anything, but of course, morons wouldn't know that. Lmao
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

United States

#113154 Jan 1, 2013
I meant rescind! Dang it!

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113155 Jan 1, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhh, how little you know Jimbo, he normally only has 3-4 hours of nonsense posts before he peters out - he tends to utilize that precious time with insulting everyone, being oblivious to the irony when he asks people for evidence - then going for some wild conspiracy theory.
You are correct in that I do scroll past most of his junk. It's hard to tolerate redundancy.
Mtum

United States

#113156 Jan 1, 2013
Talk your childish BS children, but if science is spoken, you don't stand a chance, by your own stupidity.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113157 Jan 1, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Surely you mean recind. I accept and Happy New Year. We have our differences but one thing is for sure, you are real and very talented and speak your mind. I appreciate that.
Yeah ... spellcheck didn't help me much there, I meant rescind.:p

Happy new year to you as well, and thank you.
Mtum

United States

#113158 Jan 1, 2013
Today's scientists love their stupidity.

KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Back to spamming I see. So you cannot address anything that's presented, you can't oppose or deny the facts, thus you just continue to spam the forum with garbage.
Here's the thing, they have mathematical formulas that work, they actually work to predict things, you have a bunch of assertions and some fourth grade level arithmetic. The physicists have evidence, demonstrable evidence, evidence that NASA has relied on for a while now which has not let them down.
To your satellite garbage, it's a combination of inertia and centrifugal force, anyone with a 7the grade or higher education knows that. They are attracted to the planet, and eventually do enter the atmosphere and burn up. You can often see them, they look like "shooting stars," like meteorites, basically. Sometimes the manage to actually make landfall, though they usually wind up in the ocean since that's the largest area of the planet. If gravity had a "push" effect, this would never happen, ever, we'd have to fly shuttles up there to clean up the atmosphere every decade just to keep from blocking the sun.

Mtum said,--Said the proverbial moron above.

Space debris can stay in orbit for a long time¬ódecades in orbits near the Earth, and essentially forever at very high altitudes.

Here ya go moron.

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“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113159 Jan 1, 2013
UC, I also want to add that I do enjoy discussions with you, even when you're completely wrong. I'm not very apt at actually talking to people in an unprofessional setting, you give me some excellent practice.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113160 Jan 1, 2013
Looks like I broke the Agravitationist again. Someone call the repair person please.

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