Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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#111144 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Mike, I am agreeing with you. And showing you complements. There is nothing else to it.
Holy crap the world must be about to end. Urb not only has good taste in music, but he openly admitted that he was wrong. And both happened within minutes of each other.

Perhaps the Mayans were right.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#111145 Dec 6, 2012
defender wrote:
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Why does it have to be God... Why not aliens?...
That just pushes the problem back a level. Where did the aliens come from?
defender wrote:
You see it really doesn't matter what one believes its what we can prove ... Right?...
Agreed.
defender wrote:
Science cannot prove how life came to be on this planet without some kind of method we don't understand ...
Yet.
defender wrote:
I cannot prove there is a God and you cannot prove otherwise... So there you have it...
I though you just said "it really doesn't matter what one believes its what we can prove"? A rather rapid change of position.

If you make the claim of a god, it is up to *YOU* to prove it. You don't to do so but you cannot demand others disprove what you have yet to prove. Or given even the slightest evidence for.

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#111146 Dec 6, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Holy crap the world must be about to end. Urb not only has good taste in music, but he openly admitted that he was wrong. And both happened within minutes of each other.
Perhaps the Mayans were right.
This just in! Hell froze over! Full report at 11.

:-)

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#111147 Dec 6, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
After ordering the total slaughter of the Midianites...
Numbers 31: 13-18
13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.
14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
15 And Moses said to them,“Have you spared all the women?
16 Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord.
17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.
18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately,spare for yourselves.
So this the the "Good Lord" and Hitler's inspiration was Darwin?????
Yeah Right.
The two events have nothing to do with each other. How can you compare God's judgement on his enemies with Hitler exterminating Jews? What laws did the Holocaust victims break? What was their crime? You really shouldn't raise issues you know nothing about.

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#111148 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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The two events have nothing to do with each other. How can you compare God's judgement on his enemies with Hitler exterminating Jews? What laws did the Holocaust victims break? What was their crime? You really shouldn't raise issues you know nothing about.
what UTTER crap!

Kill every Midianite, the women, the male children. What laws did a three year old Midianite boy break? Stole a cookie did he?

What part of the word Genocide don't you understand you idiot?

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Miami, FL

#111149 Dec 6, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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That just pushes the problem back a level. Where did the aliens come from?
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Agreed.
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Yet.
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I though you just said "it really doesn't matter what one believes its what we can prove"? A rather rapid change of position.
If you make the claim of a god, it is up to *YOU* to prove it. You don't to do so but you cannot demand others disprove what you have yet to prove. Or given even the slightest evidence for.
Jesus already proved it. You don't expect Him to prove it to every generation do you? It would be reasonable to accept the testimonies of the evangelists who witnessed it; to come to an understanding of the many prophesies fullfilled; to study science and see the ID and fine tuning; to study history and see God's hand in it. All of this and more combined should be enough so that there is no excuse.

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#111150 Dec 6, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Holy crap the world must be about to end. Urb not only has good taste in music, but he openly admitted that he was wrong. And both happened within minutes of each other.
Perhaps the Mayans were right.
Well, temper that with the fact that Urban Cowboy thinks that Hitler's Genocide was despicable and inspired by Darwin,

but Moses' Genocide of the Midianites was righteous and just because God supposedly ordered it.(If so, both God and Moses are monsters, and if not, then just Moses is a monster)

The moral of the story is, if Urban Cowboy ever had an innate moral sense, its been trampled all over in a way only a Cult can achieve.
Elohim

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#111151 Dec 6, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Then why did Hitler ban all books about evolution and anti-religion. Look it up.
Look it up? Facts have no meaning to the radical anti-science, anti-intellectual fundie creationismist.

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Miami, FL

#111152 Dec 6, 2012
The energy source for the entire food chain/web (the Sun) is subject to the SLOT, and even those ecosystems that get their energy from the hydrothermal vents because the mechanism that causes those vents is weakening and deteriorating over time, just like everything else.

The development and growth of an organism is not an exception because it is already alive and just following the instructions as long as it continues to receive nourishment, ect.

During celluar replication, genetic mutations accumulate with each generation. Therefore, this arrow is one-way, toward increasing entropy, same as everywhere and everything else in the universe.

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Miami, FL

#111153 Dec 6, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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what UTTER crap!
Kill every Midianite, the women, the male children. What laws did a three year old Midianite boy break? Stole a cookie did he?
What part of the word Genocide don't you understand you idiot?
They continually disobeyed God and were even worse than Sodom and Gommorah. God also destroyed the whole world. He created, He makes the rules, and He is very, very patient but at some they needed to be wiped out. So I ask you again, what were the Jews crimes?

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Seffner, FL

#111154 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Jesus already proved it. You don't expect Him to prove it to every generation do you? It would be reasonable to accept the testimonies of the evangelists who witnessed it; to come to an understanding of the many prophesies fullfilled; to study science and see the ID and fine tuning; to study history and see God's hand in it. All of this and more combined should be enough so that there is no excuse.
For you, it is. For me, it is not.

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#111155 Dec 6, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Holy crap the world must be about to end. Urb not only has good taste in music, but he openly admitted that he was wrong. And both happened within minutes of each other.
Perhaps the Mayans were right.

Actually, he has always had good taste in music.

The admission he was wrong caught me so off guard that I had trouble taking him serious!

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#111156 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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They continually disobeyed God and were even worse than Sodom and Gommorah. God also destroyed the whole world. He created, He makes the rules, and He is very, very patient but at some they needed to be wiped out.
Especially those damn babies. They're real trouble, I tell you.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
So I ask you again, what were the Jews crimes?
Not that I'm buying in to it but didn't they kill god's only begotten son?

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#111157 Dec 6, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Actually, he has always had good taste in music.
The admission he was wrong caught me so off guard that I had trouble taking him serious!
Yeah. Tripped me up too.

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#111158 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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The two events have nothing to do with each other. How can you compare God's judgement on his enemies with Hitler exterminating Jews? What laws did the Holocaust victims break? What was their crime? You really shouldn't raise issues you know nothing about.

You really think the Midianites BABIES and young boys committed crimes against God that deserved being murdered? Did the young girls do anything deserving of sexual slavery?

God has enemies? Isn't this the same god who is now the god of all people?

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#111159 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Jesus already proved it. You don't expect Him to prove it to every generation do you? It would be reasonable to accept the testimonies of the evangelists who witnessed it;

Except we don't have direct testimony of a single witness.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text> to come to an understanding of the many prophesies fullfilled;

Except most were written AFTER the events "prophesied". And many did not come true.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text> to study science and see the ID and fine tuning;

Are you advocating having hallucinations?
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text> to study history and see God's hand in it.

Wow. What history are YOU talking about. Human history is bloody and insane.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text> All of this and more combined should be enough so that there is no excuse.

One of the WORST excuses for a logical argument for Christianity that I have ever seen. Appalling, actually.

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#111160 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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They continually disobeyed God and were even worse than Sodom and Gommorah. God also destroyed the whole world. He created, He makes the rules, and He is very, very patient but at some they needed to be wiped out. So I ask you again, what were the Jews crimes?

According to the Nazi's they rejected the savior. that was their crime.

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#111161 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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They continually disobeyed God and were even worse than Sodom and Gommorah. God also destroyed the whole world. He created, He makes the rules, and He is very, very patient but at some they needed to be wiped out. So I ask you again, what were the Jews crimes?
To me its pretty vile if God ordered a flood or destroyed Sodom and Gommorah, but there is one CRITICAL difference between those atrocities and the slaughter of the Midianites. Can you guess what it is?

Lets see if you can spot the moral difference between

(A) a typhoon sweeping away a 3 year old boy

(B) a religious zealot thrusting his sword into a three year old boy's neck

or for that matter

(C) an SS Guard herding a 3 year old boy into a gas chamber.

(A) is different in an important way.
(B) and (C) are identical in an important way/

Can you tell how?

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Miami, FL

#111162 Dec 6, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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According to the Nazi's they rejected the savior. that was their crime.
OK, you just made that up. What about the sick or disabled? What was their crime? The Gypsies? The Christians? All the other undesirables?

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#111163 Dec 6, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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To me its pretty vile if God ordered a flood or destroyed Sodom and Gommorah, but there is one CRITICAL difference between those atrocities and the slaughter of the Midianites. Can you guess what it is?
Lets see if you can spot the moral difference between
(A) a typhoon sweeping away a 3 year old boy
(B) a religious zealot thrusting his sword into a three year old boy's neck
or for that matter
(C) an SS Guard herding a 3 year old boy into a gas chamber.
(A) is different in an important way.
(B) and (C) are identical in an important way/
Can you tell how?
I don't answer goofy question to people who have no idea what they are talking about. Chimney, it is clear that you are clueless about the Bible.

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