Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 Full story: www.scientificblogging.com 176,162

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story
defender

London, KY

#111124 Dec 5, 2012
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>You are very misinformed. IDA was not a cat. It was the forerunner of modern mammals. The lineage of major taxonomic groups is well known and based on modern genetics as much or more than the fossil record. The fact that genetics and the fossil record agree completely should be a concern to you and other reality deniers.
Spin doctor all you wish... The whole Ida farce was an huge embarrassment... But hey whatever you say...

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#111125 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
1) Well if the missing link idea as you put it is so out dated then why was Ida billed as the greatest thing since sliced bread? Oh this was it!!! Finally the missing link that shut us all up!!!... Lol...
2) Yes let's follow the evidence!! Not wild speculation from desperate lefties looking for funding...
3) Why do you stereotype all those who disagree with Darwinism in one group?... Plenty of atheist, Christian and others do not share in your view point...
Where is the evidence for your god?

You cannot believe in creationism unless you also have a god delusion, and evolution is a phenomenon, the evidence is what pointed to the theory of evolution, the theory didn't come before the phenomenon, that is impossible as a theory is a description of a phenomenon. Evolution happens, we witnessed it in viruses and bacteria long before we even knew what to call it.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#111126 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
....
2) Yes let's follow the evidence!! Not wild speculation from desperate lefties looking for funding...
......
/QUOTE]

[QUOTE who="defender"]<q uoted text>
....
3) Why do you stereotype all those who disagree with Darwinism in one group?......
Visit the following website.

Www.ironymetersforsale.com

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#111127 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
1) Well if the missing link idea as you put it is so out dated then why was Ida billed as the greatest thing since sliced bread? Oh this was it!!! Finally the missing link that shut us all up!!!... Lol...
2) Yes let's follow the evidence!! Not wild speculation from desperate lefties looking for funding...
3) Why do you stereotype all those who disagree with Darwinism in one group?... Plenty of atheist, Christian and others do not share in your view point...

Science is not a point of view. It is driven only by the data and adherence to the scientific method. Are mistakes possible? Yes, but they are usually very quickly corrected.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#111128 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Spin doctor all you wish... The whole Ida farce was an huge embarrassment... But hey whatever you say...

You can make up anything you like. IDA was a small but important breakthrough.


Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>You are very misinformed. IDA was not a cat. It was the forerunner of modern mammals. The lineage of major taxonomic groups is well known and based on modern genetics as much or more than the fossil record. The fact that genetics and the fossil record agree completely should be a concern to you and other reality deniers.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#111129 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
A moment of silence for American Jazz Great, Dave Brubeck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =vmDDOFXSgAsXX
I agree with everyone else. A sad day, a fantastic tune. I will have to play a few of his better songs today, but you can't beat this one.

Urb you finally knocked one out of the park.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#111130 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
1) Well if the missing link idea as you put it is so out dated then why was Ida billed as the greatest thing since sliced bread? Oh this was it!!! Finally the missing link that shut us all up!!!... Lol...
2) Yes let's follow the evidence!! Not wild speculation from desperate lefties looking for funding...
3) Why do you stereotype all those who disagree with Darwinism in one group?... Plenty of atheist, Christian and others do not share in your view point...
Very, very, very few atheists do not believe the theory of evolution. Now some don't care. They work only on the knowledge that the Existence of God is very unbelievable. And once again, evolution is not a left wing idea. If you think that the right is right then you should believe that it is a right wing idea because it is the correct one.
defender

London, KY

#111131 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Where is the evidence for your god?

You cannot believe in creationism unless you also have a god delusion, and evolution is a phenomenon, the evidence is what pointed to the theory of evolution, the theory didn't come before the phenomenon, that is impossible as a theory is a description of a phenomenon. Evolution happens, we witnessed it in viruses and bacteria long before we even knew what to call it.
Why does it have to be God... Why not aliens?... You see it really doesn't matter what one believes its what we can prove ... Right?... Science cannot prove how life came to be on this planet without some kind of method we don't understand ... I cannot prove there is a God and you cannot prove otherwise... So there you have it...

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Tempe, AZ.

#111132 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
And the Nazi's weren't racist either. LOL! If you ever have the chance, visit the Smithsonian Holocaust Museum in DC. I believe it is on the Road right now. Boca Raton? There's a whole segment on dispaly about Darwinism. Look bub, I'm not saying you killed 6 million Jews, alright? So take it easy. But the Nazis absolutely unequivacably adopted Darwin's ideas and used it as an excuse. There's no other explanation.
Then why did Hitler ban all books about evolution and anti-religion. Look it up.
LowellGuy

Peabody, MA

#111133 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Why does it have to be God... Why not aliens?... You see it really doesn't matter what one believes its what we can prove ... Right?... Science cannot prove how life came to be on this planet without some kind of method we don't understand ... I cannot prove there is a God and you cannot prove otherwise... So there you have it...
Evolution has nothing to do with how life came to be, any more than how carbon came to be has anything to do with diamond formation.
LowellGuy

Peabody, MA

#111134 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
It is the evolutionist that claims spices change into completely different creatures... Without any proof mind you... So I get the Nobel Prize for that statement?... Cool...
I guarantee that not a single "evolutionist" has ever claimed that any spices could evolve into different creatures.

You say there is a hard border for evolution. You made. The claim; you have to back it up with evidence.
LowellGuy

Peabody, MA

#111135 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
1) Well if the missing link idea as you put it is so out dated then why was Ida billed as the greatest thing since sliced bread? Oh this was it!!! Finally the missing link that shut us all up!!!... Lol...
2) Yes let's follow the evidence!! Not wild speculation from desperate lefties looking for funding...
3) Why do you stereotype all those who disagree with Darwinism in one group?... Plenty of atheist, Christian and others do not share in your view point...
The people who found Ida over-hyped their find. And, who brought them back down to Earth? The scientific community. In DAYS after publication. That's the self-correcting nature of science.
LowellGuy

Peabody, MA

#111136 Dec 5, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
1) Well if the missing link idea as you put it is so out dated then why was Ida billed as the greatest thing since sliced bread? Oh this was it!!! Finally the missing link that shut us all up!!!... Lol...
2) Yes let's follow the evidence!! Not wild speculation from desperate lefties looking for funding...
3) Why do you stereotype all those who disagree with Darwinism in one group?... Plenty of atheist, Christian and others do not share in your view point...
Aaaand, YOU stereotype everybody who understands and accepts the theory of evolution as leftists. Hypocrite.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Tempe, AZ.

#111137 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
And the Nazi's weren't racist either. LOL! If you ever have the chance, visit the Smithsonian Holocaust Museum in DC. I believe it is on the Road right now. Boca Raton? There's a whole segment on dispaly about Darwinism. Look bub, I'm not saying you killed 6 million Jews, alright? So take it easy. But the Nazis absolutely unequivacably adopted Darwin's ideas and used it as an excuse. There's no other explanation.
http://speccoll.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/...

Go to the above link and scroll down to the following segment.

Original stuff here.
Guidelines for Die Bucherei 2:6,(1935), P 279

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#111138 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.
Yes that never happened before Darwin.

In your precious Bible, God orders the genocide of the Midianites...not by God himself of course, but at the hand of the Hebrews. Just like the Germans. UC, these are MOTHERS and GRANDMOTHERS. Try to imagine them for a moment. Human beings every bit as real as the humans ordered into the gas chambers.

If you cannot see its the SAME damned thing, you are a fool.

And now you whine about somebody else doing it...

At least I am consistent. Mass slaughter is vile, and anybody who orders it, whether God or Hitler, the most vile of all creatures. Midianites by Jews, Jew by Germans, Landlords by Maoists, its all the same MADNESS caused by people's willingness to be indoctrinated into cultish thinking.

And that definitely includes YOU.

Darwin's theory of origins does NOT demand mass killing, in fact he is very clear that its NATURE, not HUMANS that selects fitness, and he even shudders at the cruelty of this, he does not love it...whereas your Bible definitely demands mass killing.

And you have the temerity to claim that only after Darwin and due to Darwin, did such ideas enter men's heads. Man, that is both stupid and hypocritical.

At this particular moment, I actually feel open hatred towards you. I am sure it will pass.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#111139 Dec 6, 2012
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
You can make up anything you like. IDA was a small but important breakthrough.
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>You are very misinformed. IDA was not a cat. It was the forerunner of modern mammals. The lineage of major taxonomic groups is well known and based on modern genetics as much or more than the fossil record. The fact that genetics and the fossil record agree completely should be a concern to you and other reality deniers.
No, Ida was a primitive primate, not the forerunner of all mammals.

She may have been the forerunner or related to the forerunner of later primates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinius

I know Ida quite well from reading a horribly overblown book about her written by some hack journalist whose knowledge of evolution was obviously superficial. I don't recommend it...cannot even remember its name. Maybe "The Missing Link" or some such.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#111140 Dec 6, 2012
After ordering the total slaughter of the Midianites...

Numbers 31: 13-18

13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.

14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.

15 And Moses said to them,“Have you spared all the women?

16 Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord.

17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.

18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately,spare for yourselves.

So this the the "Good Lord" and Hitler's inspiration was Darwin?????

Yeah Right.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#111141 Dec 6, 2012
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Why does it have to be God... Why not aliens?... You see it really doesn't matter what one believes its what we can prove ... Right?... Science cannot prove how life came to be on this planet without some kind of method we don't understand ... I cannot prove there is a God and you cannot prove otherwise... So there you have it...

You proceed from a false presumption. Science has a pretty good idea of how life formed on this planet and activist sky pixies of either alien or divine stripe are not necessary for this process. What is necessary are the right chemistry being available.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#111142 Dec 6, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Ida was a primitive primate, not the forerunner of all mammals.
She may have been the forerunner or related to the forerunner of later primates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinius
I know Ida quite well from reading a horribly overblown book about her written by some hack journalist whose knowledge of evolution was obviously superficial. I don't recommend it...cannot even remember its name. Maybe "The Missing Link" or some such.

Yes, primate. I don't know where my brain was when I wrote that. Obviously mammals have been around a LOT longer than that.

My apologies!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#111143 Dec 6, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
No problem. When you said that it was artificial selection, that's what clicked, and I changed my mind.
Ah! Ok, then.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Evolution Debate Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Evolution vs. Creation (Jul '11) 4 min dirtclod 133,778
An atheistic view on evolution vs. a godly view... 1 hr Kong_ 665
How would creationists explain... 2 hr replaytime 416
Science News (Sep '13) Wed positronium 2,944
god is not real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Jun '06) Dec 22 Chimney1 13,624
Creationism coming to Ohio classrooms? Not with... Dec 20 nobody 7
24 hour dental emergency (Nov '13) Dec 19 Zach 4
More from around the web