Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

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#111098 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
"At the same time a racist, social Darwinist, and eugenicist world-view which declared some people to be more biologically valuable than others was common."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
Oh, Gee! You have an unattributed quotation. How convincing.

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#111099 Dec 5, 2012
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"At the same time a racist, social Darwinist, and eugenicist world-view which declared some people to be more biologically valuable than others was common."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

You make my point. Social Darwinism is a perversion of what Darwin taught and believed.

The only think Darwin would have agree about in Social Darwinism is that they spelled his name right.

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#111100 Dec 5, 2012
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Do you???

Of course the Nazi's actively claimed to be Christian and they did NOT burn bibles.

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#111101 Dec 5, 2012
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Actually, if you would learn something about creation science you would know that we believe fossils to form only under certain conditions such as being rapidly buried in mud from a catastrophic event such as a world wide flood. But certainly you don't get fossils from animals gradually over time by just dying and laying exposed to the sun, wind, rain, scavengers, or decomposers.

Yet we find absolutely no evidence of either a global flood NOR do we find evidence of an large layers where all life forms are intermixed.

You think "evolutionists" think animals get fossilized by laying out in the elements? SERIOUSLY?

Don't try to decrease our opinion of you. It is just not possible.
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#111102 Dec 5, 2012
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Or some yahoo with a backhoe dug up a cable.
Actually I do recall this happening in a way, I vaguely remember a story some years back where one of the major trunks beneath the Atlantic (I think) was severed by some drilling activity and cut of a whole country for some time..

Apparently it was awful , the nationals had to start reading books.

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#111103 Dec 5, 2012
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.
You're the one that needs to stop being an idiot, he made no mention of what you assert he said, none. Or are you using that "interpretation" crap again, here's a clue, reality doesn't work that way.

He was basing the genocide on the bible, and using it as a method of justifying it, especially to all the soldiers, you know, the ones that actually did the horrible things. In reality, what Adolf believed is not even important, it's what the people who did what he told them to believed, and they were, and the ones still alive are, all christian, not atheists.

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#111104 Dec 5, 2012
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It was a joke Kitten! I happen to work with the largest IT installation in the world. The Terremark NAP of the Americas. Maybe you've heard of it?
http://www.terremark.com/data-centers/america...
For one thing, it's difficult to tell if you are joking so I'll just say "okay, cool." But the more important thing is that I highly doubt you work there, very unlikely, as you don't even know that PCB design is dependent on evolutionary algorithms devised based on the ToE, which any tech would know. Without these algorithms phones would still be able to text, but that's all.

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#111105 Dec 5, 2012
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.

This is a lie. Apparently you are completely unfamiliar with Darwin. Stop being an idiot.

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#111106 Dec 5, 2012
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.

Incorrect

"Opponents of evolution theory have often maintained that social Darwinism is a logical entailment of a belief in evolutionary theory, while biologists and historians maintain that it is rather a perversion of Charles Darwin's ideas.[7] While most scholars recognize historical links between Darwin's theory and forms of social Darwinism, they also maintain that social Darwinism is not a necessary consequence of the principles of biological evolution[8] and that using biological evolution as a justification for policies of inequality amounts to committing the naturalistic fallacy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

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#111107 Dec 5, 2012
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You're the idiot, bub. Darwin explained evolution and NATURAL selection. The Nazis used artificial selection. Big difference.

You have hit the nail on the head.

Darwin PURPOSELY used the term NATURAL selection as a contrast to artificial selection which was already known. The Nazi's were attempting to use ARTIFICIAL selection, as you noted.

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#111108 Dec 5, 2012
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Glad you finally agree. Thanks!

So you are saying Mendel was to blame? Obviously not since artificial selection goes back to the Romans who practiced it on a wide scale. It was, with little doubt, known even before that.

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#111109 Dec 5, 2012
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So why don't you try to re-write history and change the Wiki article yourself? LOL! Good luck with that!
So do you still not understand that the article misused that word? probably not. Wiki is a very good general source. It still usually has more than one mistake per article, for encyclopedias this is actually a good thing. I have no intent to nitpick a Wiki article even if it is abused by creatards.

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#111110 Dec 5, 2012
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.
So, you are arguing that, if not for Darwin, cheetahs would be much nicer to antelopes?

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#111111 Dec 5, 2012
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For one thing, it's difficult to tell if you are joking so I'll just say "okay, cool." But the more important thing is that I highly doubt you work there, very unlikely, as you don't even know that PCB design is dependent on evolutionary algorithms devised based on the ToE, which any tech would know. Without these algorithms phones would still be able to text, but that's all.
Please, continue...

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#111112 Dec 5, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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You're the idiot, bub. Darwin explained evolution and NATURAL selection. The Nazis used artificial selection. Big difference.
You are right. Good job Mike!

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#111113 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Glad you finally agree. Thanks!
What? I haven't agreed with you, numbnutz. Are you developing a brain tumor or something? I told you that you were wrong several times. Including this time.
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Wrong. They espoused selective breeding (and genocide). Much, much older than Darwin's theory.
I know your last name is not Ryan but...

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#111114 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You are right. Good job Mike!
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.
You're losing it, John Boy. You can't even remember which side of the argument you're on.

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#111115 Dec 5, 2012
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You're losing it, John Boy. You can't even remember which side of the argument you're on.
Mike, I am agreeing with you. And showing you complements. There is nothing else to it.

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#111116 Dec 5, 2012
A moment of silence for American Jazz Great, Dave Brubeck.

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#111117 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
A moment of silence for American Jazz Great, Dave Brubeck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =vmDDOFXSgAsXX
On this, I can with no reservations agree with you.

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