Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 178616 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Miami, FL

#111094 Dec 5, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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So they misused the nonword "Darwinist". What is that supposed to prove.
You knew that Hitler was a theist didn't you? He believed in his own strange form of Christianity.
So why don't you try to re-write history and change the Wiki article yourself? LOL! Good luck with that!

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Miami, FL

#111095 Dec 5, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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You're the idiot, bub. Darwin explained evolution and NATURAL selection. The Nazis used artificial selection. Big difference.
Glad you finally agree. Thanks!

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#111096 Dec 5, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
Arguing from (imagined) consequences is a favourite pastime of creationists when they have been trounced on rational arguments.
It tells me one reason they really buy the lies that they do - they believe that people cannot handle the truth and social stability (as they see it)is more important than intellectual honesty.
But the Bible's use through history as a justification for everything from genocide to rape to slavery to whatever has no effect on the veracity or virtue of THAT book. It's a strange world when viewed through God Goggles.

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#111097 Dec 5, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Arguing from (imagined) consequences is a favourite pastime of creationists when they have been trounced on rational arguments.
It tells me one reason they really buy the lies that they do - they believe that people cannot handle the truth and social stability (as they see it)is more important than intellectual honesty.
Man are ever becoming unravelled at the seams...

Is it the alcohol perhaps?

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#111098 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
"At the same time a racist, social Darwinist, and eugenicist world-view which declared some people to be more biologically valuable than others was common."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
Oh, Gee! You have an unattributed quotation. How convincing.

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#111099 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
"At the same time a racist, social Darwinist, and eugenicist world-view which declared some people to be more biologically valuable than others was common."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

You make my point. Social Darwinism is a perversion of what Darwin taught and believed.

The only think Darwin would have agree about in Social Darwinism is that they spelled his name right.

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#111100 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Do you???

Of course the Nazi's actively claimed to be Christian and they did NOT burn bibles.

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#111101 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Actually, if you would learn something about creation science you would know that we believe fossils to form only under certain conditions such as being rapidly buried in mud from a catastrophic event such as a world wide flood. But certainly you don't get fossils from animals gradually over time by just dying and laying exposed to the sun, wind, rain, scavengers, or decomposers.

Yet we find absolutely no evidence of either a global flood NOR do we find evidence of an large layers where all life forms are intermixed.

You think "evolutionists" think animals get fossilized by laying out in the elements? SERIOUSLY?

Don't try to decrease our opinion of you. It is just not possible.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#111102 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Or some yahoo with a backhoe dug up a cable.
Actually I do recall this happening in a way, I vaguely remember a story some years back where one of the major trunks beneath the Atlantic (I think) was severed by some drilling activity and cut of a whole country for some time..

Apparently it was awful , the nationals had to start reading books.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#111103 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.
You're the one that needs to stop being an idiot, he made no mention of what you assert he said, none. Or are you using that "interpretation" crap again, here's a clue, reality doesn't work that way.

He was basing the genocide on the bible, and using it as a method of justifying it, especially to all the soldiers, you know, the ones that actually did the horrible things. In reality, what Adolf believed is not even important, it's what the people who did what he told them to believed, and they were, and the ones still alive are, all christian, not atheists.

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Seattle

#111104 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It was a joke Kitten! I happen to work with the largest IT installation in the world. The Terremark NAP of the Americas. Maybe you've heard of it?
http://www.terremark.com/data-centers/america...
For one thing, it's difficult to tell if you are joking so I'll just say "okay, cool." But the more important thing is that I highly doubt you work there, very unlikely, as you don't even know that PCB design is dependent on evolutionary algorithms devised based on the ToE, which any tech would know. Without these algorithms phones would still be able to text, but that's all.

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#111105 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.

This is a lie. Apparently you are completely unfamiliar with Darwin. Stop being an idiot.

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#111106 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.

Incorrect

"Opponents of evolution theory have often maintained that social Darwinism is a logical entailment of a belief in evolutionary theory, while biologists and historians maintain that it is rather a perversion of Charles Darwin's ideas.[7] While most scholars recognize historical links between Darwin's theory and forms of social Darwinism, they also maintain that social Darwinism is not a necessary consequence of the principles of biological evolution[8] and that using biological evolution as a justification for policies of inequality amounts to committing the naturalistic fallacy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

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#111107 Dec 5, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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You're the idiot, bub. Darwin explained evolution and NATURAL selection. The Nazis used artificial selection. Big difference.

You have hit the nail on the head.

Darwin PURPOSELY used the term NATURAL selection as a contrast to artificial selection which was already known. The Nazi's were attempting to use ARTIFICIAL selection, as you noted.

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#111108 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Glad you finally agree. Thanks!

So you are saying Mendel was to blame? Obviously not since artificial selection goes back to the Romans who practiced it on a wide scale. It was, with little doubt, known even before that.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#111109 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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So why don't you try to re-write history and change the Wiki article yourself? LOL! Good luck with that!
So do you still not understand that the article misused that word? probably not. Wiki is a very good general source. It still usually has more than one mistake per article, for encyclopedias this is actually a good thing. I have no intent to nitpick a Wiki article even if it is abused by creatards.

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Since: Jul 09

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#111110 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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They weren't selling Jews as slaves Chimney, they were applying Darwin's principles and sterilizing and exterminating them. Stop being an idiot.
So, you are arguing that, if not for Darwin, cheetahs would be much nicer to antelopes?

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Fort Lauderdale, FL

#111111 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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For one thing, it's difficult to tell if you are joking so I'll just say "okay, cool." But the more important thing is that I highly doubt you work there, very unlikely, as you don't even know that PCB design is dependent on evolutionary algorithms devised based on the ToE, which any tech would know. Without these algorithms phones would still be able to text, but that's all.
Please, continue...

Level 6

Since: Aug 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#111112 Dec 5, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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You're the idiot, bub. Darwin explained evolution and NATURAL selection. The Nazis used artificial selection. Big difference.
You are right. Good job Mike!

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#111113 Dec 5, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Glad you finally agree. Thanks!
What? I haven't agreed with you, numbnutz. Are you developing a brain tumor or something? I told you that you were wrong several times. Including this time.
MikeF wrote:
Wrong. They espoused selective breeding (and genocide). Much, much older than Darwin's theory.
I know your last name is not Ryan but...

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