Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180392 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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#109120 Nov 24, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Not really a fan of any of those. I did see the first three Harry Potter movies, but got bored with it.
I do support the science of evolution, but that is not what you are talking about.
Actually I don't even read much fiction. I have read maybe 3 fiction books in the last 2 years.
Right now I am rereading 'Speaking Christian' by Marcus J. Borg and 'the 'Gnostic Gospels' by Elaine Pagels.
Anything but science, right Dogen?
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#109121 Nov 24, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda, Urb. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.
I crushed that idea and you know it. Flat earth is nothing but myth and bigotry.
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United States

#109122 Nov 24, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Did the death threats come from atheists?
Probably not.
Did the death threats come from agnostics?
Probably not.
Did the death threats come from Buddhists?
LOL
Members of what religious group(s) in the U.S. would be most upset about the Dover verdicts?
What religious groups make up the largest percentage of Americas?
It didn't even occur to you that the case didn't even involve Christianity - it was about intelligent design vs. evolution. But don't let the facts get in the way of your religious bigotry. Even the school board dismissed the idea that ID was religion in disguise. Also, thinking that only Christians accept ID is moronic to say the least. This just illustrates how ignorant you and Kong are of the subject. I could go on but want to keep this holiday civil. But when attacked with dirty lies the way I was by you and Kong I will respond!

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#109123 Nov 24, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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That would be pissed off, UNEDUCATED AND stupid.
Ah yes, the grand trifecta. The perfect storm.
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Since: Aug 07

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#109124 Nov 24, 2012
Another great example of a living fossil: the gecko. Previously, the oldest fossil was "dated" at 50 million years. Then they found one, essentially as a modern gecko) in amber "dated" at 100 million years. LOL! The bottom of their feet has a few stems with suction cups; yes, just a few - 500 million of them - that enables then to walk on ceilings and whatever. Each of them is only 0.000008 inch in diameter. Nothing else like it anywhere. No evidence of macroevolution. Imagine the DNA instructions for gecko feet. And that's just their feet! Macroevolution never happened and their was no 50 or 100 millions years. Also, where did all this amber come from? How did the gecko get encapsulated in it? Clue: worldwide catastrophic flood.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#109125 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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the school board dismissed the idea that ID was religion in disguise.!
Liar

'The concept of intelligent design (hereinafter “ID”), in its current form, came into existence after the Edwards case was decided in 1987. For the reasons that follow, we conclude that the religious nature of ID would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child.'

Page 24 of 139 in the following ruling made in the case

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._D...

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Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#109126 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
How the ancients could have easily determined that the earth is a round sphere (in brief):
1. Watching as ships come and go on the ocean horizon
2. Sailing toward or away from mountains
3. Holding a straight edge horizontally along the horizon
4. Measuring and comparing the angle of the sun’s shadow at different places
5. Noting the shape of the earth’s shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse
6. Noting the shape of the light/dark line cast by the sun on the moon through phases
7. Noting the changing angle of the north star with changes in latitude
8. Noting the rotating stars around the north star during the night
Yes, eight valid points. But until the last few centuries, critical thinking was not required to determine what was acceptable. The ecclesiastical view tended to trump scientific evidence.

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#109127 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Why not just state the facts? Judge Jones said he was threatened but gave no details and there isn't even any evidence of that. Typical of you and Kong to exaggerate and embelish everything to your imagined favor. To make broad generalizations about a group of people is pure bigotry and prejudice.

I just asked questions. You must have me confused with the guy in the mirror.
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Since: Aug 07

United States

#109128 Nov 24, 2012
Mugwump wrote:
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Liar
'The concept of intelligent design (hereinafter “ID”), in its current form, came into existence after the Edwards case was decided in 1987. For the reasons that follow, we conclude that the religious nature of ID would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child.'
Page 24 of 139 in the following ruling made in the case
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._D...
Your are the LIAR!!! I did not say that did I moron? I said the School Board! You little lying snake.

"The board denied that intelligent design was "religion in disguise..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Do...
Level 6

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United States

#109129 Nov 24, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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I just asked questions. You must have me confused with the guy in the mirror.
Totally dishonest response.

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#109130 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Anything but science, right Dogen?

I bet I have read more REAL science books in the last couple of years than you have in your life. I read about 60-40 science to religion. Closer to 50:50 if you count books on Buddhism as "religion".

I easily read a book a month, probably closer to 2. When I do throw fiction in there it goes up (obviously it does not take much to breeze through a 400 page novel).
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

United States

#109131 Nov 24, 2012
appleboy wrote:
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Yes, eight valid points. But until the last few centuries, critical thinking was not required to determine what was acceptable. The ecclesiastical view tended to trump scientific evidence.
BS! This is the biggest F-ing lie. You are such scum to spread lies like this.

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#109132 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I crushed that idea and you know it. Flat earth is nothing but myth and bigotry.

Today, sure.

But all the work from ancient times indicates their world view was of a flat earth and a hemispherical dome "cosmos". The evidence is clear on that.

I notice you never did find any factual support for your assertions and were actually arguing what was known in the 1400s! at one point.

You tried.

It just was not a very good try.

Let us know when you have an answer to that. Till then it goes in the collection of other arguments you have lost badly.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

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Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#109133 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not just state the facts? Judge Jones said he was threatened but gave no details and there isn't even any evidence of that. Typical of you and Kong to exaggerate and embelish everything to your imagined favor. To make broad generalizations about a group of people is pure bigotry and prejudice.
You are correct. It is reasonable to assume that Judge Jones was only threatened by people who favored the teaching of ID in public schools. There's no reason to point fingers specifically at lawyers, doctors, nurses, astronauts, bricklayers, etc.
LowellGuy

United States

#109134 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Your are the LIAR!!! I did not say that did I moron? I said the School Board! You little lying snake.
"The board denied that intelligent design was "religion in disguise..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Do...
Oh, the board led by a perjurer? Yeah, not impressed with their "determination."
LowellGuy

United States

#109135 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
It didn't even occur to you that the case didn't even involve Christianity - it was about intelligent design vs. evolution. But don't let the facts get in the way of your religious bigotry. Even the school board dismissed the idea that ID was religion in disguise. Also, thinking that only Christians accept ID is moronic to say the least. This just illustrates how ignorant you and Kong are of the subject. I could go on but want to keep this holiday civil. But when attacked with dirty lies the way I was by you and Kong I will respond!
Odd, isn't it, how only religious institutions were brought in as witnesses for the defense. Yes, even Behe, fellow at DI, a religious organization.

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#109136 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It didn't even occur to you that the case didn't even involve Christianity - it was about intelligent design vs. evolution.

ROTFLMFBO!!!!

ID = Creation = Christianity.

Transitive Property
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text> But don't let the facts get in the way of your religious bigotry. Even the school board dismissed the idea that ID was religion in disguise.

But that ID was religion in disguise is EXACTLY what Judge Jones ruled.

"Teaching intelligent design in public school biology classes violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States (and Article I, Section 3 of the Pennsylvania State Constitution) because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents." - John E. Jones III in ruling to Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text> Also, thinking that only Christians accept ID is moronic to say the least. This just illustrates how ignorant you and Kong are of the subject.

It is not just fundy Christians. Some fundy Islamics accept it too. But no scientists and few lay people who are not strongly influenced by religion support ID.
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text> I could go on but want to keep this holiday civil. But when attacked with dirty lies the way I was by you and Kong I will respond!

You are thus refuted.

Don't bother responding if all you have is unsupported assertions like the above. It wastes both of our time.

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Since: Nov 07

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#109137 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Another great example of a living fossil: the gecko. Previously, the oldest fossil was "dated" at 50 million years. Then they found one, essentially as a modern gecko) in amber "dated" at 100 million years. LOL! The bottom of their feet has a few stems with suction cups; yes, just a few - 500 million of them - that enables then to walk on ceilings and whatever. Each of them is only 0.000008 inch in diameter. Nothing else like it anywhere. No evidence of macroevolution. Imagine the DNA instructions for gecko feet. And that's just their feet! Macroevolution never happened and their was no 50 or 100 millions years. Also, where did all this amber come from? How did the gecko get encapsulated in it? Clue: worldwide catastrophic flood.

The example found in amber is not a modern species and is extinct.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/...

You flood and earth age errors have already been dealt with.

Why are all your posts riddled with logical errors? Are you incapable of putting the same information into a logical train of thought?

You keep throwing "this species is special" nonsense at us and we keep knocking them out of the park.

Why do you do this to yourself?


Just for review a logical argument goes like this
Premise 1 (+support)
Premise 2 (+support)
=conclusion (based on 1 & 2)

A logical argument does NOT go like this:

Assertion 1 (unsupported)
Assertion 2 (unsupported)
=Unrelated conclusion

You might want to work on that.
Level 6

Since: Aug 07

United States

#109138 Nov 24, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Today, sure.
But all the work from ancient times indicates their world view was of a flat earth and a hemispherical dome "cosmos". The evidence is clear on that.
I notice you never did find any factual support for your assertions and were actually arguing what was known in the 1400s! at one point.
You tried.
It just was not a very good try.
Let us know when you have an answer to that. Till then it goes in the collection of other arguments you have lost badly.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
Nobody of any substance ever thought the earth was flat. It is pure myth perpetuated by some lying POS Darwinists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat...

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Level 1

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis

#109139 Nov 24, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
Another great example of a living fossil: the gecko. Previously, the oldest fossil was "dated" at 50 million years. Then they found one, essentially as a modern gecko) in amber "dated" at 100 million years. LOL! The bottom of their feet has a few stems with suction cups; yes, just a few - 500 million of them - that enables then to walk on ceilings and whatever. Each of them is only 0.000008 inch in diameter. Nothing else like it anywhere. No evidence of macroevolution. Imagine the DNA instructions for gecko feet. And that's just their feet! Macroevolution never happened and their was no 50 or 100 millions years. Also, where did all this amber come from? How did the gecko get encapsulated in it? Clue: worldwide catastrophic flood.
Actually the gecko does not have suction cups on their feet. They have tiny little hairs that grab whatever surface they are walking on. This feature is common in other species, including flies, spiders, and many others. Though I would guess that the gecko is probably one of the largest animals to have this feature.

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