Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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There was an article this morning about a Republican legislator who remarked that evolution, embryology and the big bang theory were "lies from pit of hell" designed to deceive people into believing that God is an irrelevant myth. Interestingly, he serves as chairman on a science committee. I'm all in favor of skepticism toward institutionalized science, including evolution, but blind faith in religious dogma is no better than blind acceptance of anything else. Personally, I don't view either position as mutually exclusive, in fact learning more about science can actually deepen a person's religious faith if one keeps an open mind. The true "deception" is when someone believes that they're somehow uniquely endowed with the enlightenment necessary to judge someone else's world view as true or untrue.

I agree. UC and I were just bantering, as usual.

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So the sun supplies all of earths energy, yes or no?

No.
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Global warming to global cooling. It should simply be called, global climate changes.

http://www.globalwarmingclassroom.info/earth_...

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So the sun supplies all of earths energy, yes or no?
E=mc^2 is the relationship between mass and energy. therefore the energy embodied in the mass of the earth is not necessarily derived from the sun. Energy released from a nuclear or even exothermic chemical reaction is not necessarily solar in origin.
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You leave out the conclusion at the bottom of the page:
"It is surprising that mixing entropy and biology still fosters confusion. The relevant concepts from physics pertaining to the second law of thermodynamics are at least 100 years old. The confusion can be eradicated if we distinguish thermodynamic entropy from logical entropy, and admit that Earth's biological system is open to organizing input from outside."
Note explicitly the last sentence.
Are you endorsing panspermia as the author is?
It means nothing, no matter when it was first used, because there is no such thing as a closed system and you can't name even one closed system.

Panspermia has no evidence. It's worth less than nothing.

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Geothermal energy might be another good example.
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Actually it is useful and applicable to many fields of study. In biology it is only an asterisk.
Show proof.
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No.
If there were no sun, what would power planet earth?

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Panspermia has no evidence. It's worth less than nothing.
That's not entirely true. A few years ago there was a meteorite that were found to have fossilized remains of organisms. Others show evidence of biological activity. It's possible that these meteorites were blasted into space from Earth due to some event in the past, and re-entered at a later date, but the assertion that there is "no evidence" for panspermia is not correct.
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Geothermal energy might be another good example.
Not without the power of the sun, the planet would become lifeless in a few months at most

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If there were no sun, what would power planet earth?
The earth's own rotation, geothermal energy, nuclear energy, exothermic reactions, etc. etc. How do organisms at the furthest depths of the ocean survive in absolute darkness?

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Not without the power of the sun, the planet would become lifeless in a few months at most
I'm no geolgist, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that eath has a molten core that provides both heat and magnetic energy.
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That's not entirely true. A few years ago there was a meteorite that were found to have fossilized remains of organisms. Others show evidence of biological activity. It's possible that these meteorites were blasted into space from Earth due to some event in the past, and re-entered at a later date, but the assertion that there is "no evidence" for panspermia is not correct.
Do tell, what exactly were those remains of and show proof.

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Also, doesn't the friction from the movement of tectonic plates produce heat, magma and volcanic activity?
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The earth's own rotation, geothermal energy, nuclear energy, exothermic reactions, etc. etc. How do organisms at the furthest depths of the ocean survive in absolute darkness?
It seems you lack foresight. Without the sun, there would be no heat at all from space and our planets oceans would grow cold almost overnight.

The core of the earth would start cooling very quickly. There would only be night. The entire electricAl grid would fail, as a total ice age took over.

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Do tell, what exactly were those remains of and show proof.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200396...
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By the way, the earth would stop spinning and rotating and it would just float into the void.
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I'm no geolgist, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that eath has a molten core that provides both heat and magnetic energy.
That would cool very quickly without the sun heating the oceans, the ground and the atmosphere. The core would stop spinning, because the earth would quit spinning.

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It means nothing, no matter when it was first used, because there is no such thing as a closed system and you can't name even one closed system.
Panspermia has no evidence. It's worth less than nothing.

Those were MY points. Glad you agree.
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Also, doesn't the friction from the movement of tectonic plates produce heat, magma and volcanic activity?
Once the spin and rotation quit, all movement would stop, save for its solidification in ice.

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