Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179628 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Psychology

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#103853 Oct 7, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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You leave out the conclusion at the bottom of the page:
"It is surprising that mixing entropy and biology still fosters confusion. The relevant concepts from physics pertaining to the second law of thermodynamics are at least 100 years old. The confusion can be eradicated if we distinguish thermodynamic entropy from logical entropy, and admit that Earth's biological system is open to organizing input from outside."
Note explicitly the last sentence.
Are you endorsing panspermia as the author is?
It means nothing, no matter when it was first used, because there is no such thing as a closed system and you can't name even one closed system.

Panspermia has no evidence. It's worth less than nothing.

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#103854 Oct 7, 2012
Geothermal energy might be another good example.
Psychology

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#103855 Oct 7, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Actually it is useful and applicable to many fields of study. In biology it is only an asterisk.
Show proof.
Psychology

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#103856 Oct 7, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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No.
If there were no sun, what would power planet earth?

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#103857 Oct 7, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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Panspermia has no evidence. It's worth less than nothing.
That's not entirely true. A few years ago there was a meteorite that were found to have fossilized remains of organisms. Others show evidence of biological activity. It's possible that these meteorites were blasted into space from Earth due to some event in the past, and re-entered at a later date, but the assertion that there is "no evidence" for panspermia is not correct.
Psychology

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#103858 Oct 7, 2012
Well Hung Taxpayer wrote:
Geothermal energy might be another good example.
Not without the power of the sun, the planet would become lifeless in a few months at most

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#103859 Oct 7, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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If there were no sun, what would power planet earth?
The earth's own rotation, geothermal energy, nuclear energy, exothermic reactions, etc. etc. How do organisms at the furthest depths of the ocean survive in absolute darkness?

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#103860 Oct 7, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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Not without the power of the sun, the planet would become lifeless in a few months at most
I'm no geolgist, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that eath has a molten core that provides both heat and magnetic energy.
Psychology

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#103861 Oct 7, 2012
Well Hung Taxpayer wrote:
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That's not entirely true. A few years ago there was a meteorite that were found to have fossilized remains of organisms. Others show evidence of biological activity. It's possible that these meteorites were blasted into space from Earth due to some event in the past, and re-entered at a later date, but the assertion that there is "no evidence" for panspermia is not correct.
Do tell, what exactly were those remains of and show proof.

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#103862 Oct 7, 2012
Also, doesn't the friction from the movement of tectonic plates produce heat, magma and volcanic activity?
Psychology

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#103863 Oct 7, 2012
Well Hung Taxpayer wrote:
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The earth's own rotation, geothermal energy, nuclear energy, exothermic reactions, etc. etc. How do organisms at the furthest depths of the ocean survive in absolute darkness?
It seems you lack foresight. Without the sun, there would be no heat at all from space and our planets oceans would grow cold almost overnight.

The core of the earth would start cooling very quickly. There would only be night. The entire electricAl grid would fail, as a total ice age took over.

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#103864 Oct 7, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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Do tell, what exactly were those remains of and show proof.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200396...
Psychology

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#103865 Oct 7, 2012
By the way, the earth would stop spinning and rotating and it would just float into the void.
Psychology

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#103866 Oct 7, 2012
Well Hung Taxpayer wrote:
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I'm no geolgist, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that eath has a molten core that provides both heat and magnetic energy.
That would cool very quickly without the sun heating the oceans, the ground and the atmosphere. The core would stop spinning, because the earth would quit spinning.

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#103867 Oct 7, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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It means nothing, no matter when it was first used, because there is no such thing as a closed system and you can't name even one closed system.
Panspermia has no evidence. It's worth less than nothing.

Those were MY points. Glad you agree.
Psychology

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#103868 Oct 7, 2012
Well Hung Taxpayer wrote:
Also, doesn't the friction from the movement of tectonic plates produce heat, magma and volcanic activity?
Once the spin and rotation quit, all movement would stop, save for its solidification in ice.

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#103869 Oct 7, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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Show proof.

And odd request from someone who throws out all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense and calls it a "hypothesis".

Here is a PDF that discusses this exact subject.

What is entropy and why is it useful.
http://www.math.utah.edu/ugrad/undergrad_coll...

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#103870 Oct 7, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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If there were no sun, what would power planet earth?

There was would be geothermal and radioactivity.

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#103871 Oct 7, 2012
Well Hung Taxpayer wrote:
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That's not entirely true. A few years ago there was a meteorite that were found to have fossilized remains of organisms. Others show evidence of biological activity. It's possible that these meteorites were blasted into space from Earth due to some event in the past, and re-entered at a later date, but the assertion that there is "no evidence" for panspermia is not correct.

Correct. There is very little and highly questionable evidence.

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#103872 Oct 7, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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Not without the power of the sun, the planet would become lifeless in a few months at most

This is sort of a bait and switch. Geothermal and radioactive sources of heat will still be there. Life at the bottom of the oceans around vents would probably not be very affected.

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