Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 178597 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#103460 Oct 2, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Wasn't trying. I don't answer to you. Especially when your questions are loaded and insincere.
Oh, boo-hoo. Poor baby.

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#103461 Oct 2, 2012
Psychology wrote:
It's pretty bad when science makes the claim that man came from nothing, but then science can't even tell us where dirt came from.
So what's one more lie on your immortal soul, right jimmie?

Oh wait, that counts as two. Science never claimed Man came from nothing and Science has explained the formation of soil quite handily. In fact one of the common elementary school experiments, like making an electromagnet, growing a potato in the bottom part of a milk container, and forming crystals -- was creating soil capable of supporting plant life. It wasn't hard, as long as you gather up the right ingredients. Success was determined by how well a transplanted plant survived the school year.

It's been a long time since I remember doing that experiment, but it I remember right, it involved crushed rock of several sizes, including rock dust, wood shavings, saw dust, and water. Wasn't tough and worked well.

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Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#103462 Oct 2, 2012
Psychology wrote:
Science has no evidence of where man or rocks or any of the elements came from and yet, science pretends there can be no god.
If there was not the first grain of sand, there could be no rocks, moron.
How foolish science proves to be.
So you are claiming rocks grow from grains of sand? You're kidding right?

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Minneapolis

#103463 Oct 2, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You're not a capitalist if you support Obama, who is doing everything in his power to eliminate it.
If it were up to the far left liberals, every person who works for a living or earns a profit and every company with over 15 employees would be either turned over to the government or eliminated through fines, penalties, and taxes. Liberals hate entrepreneurs, CEOs, executives, investors, wall street, builders, bankers, or anyone who works hard and invests time and money to build a viable business. Small business is the enemy. Corporations are just pure evil.
People who realize that the government knows better than they do on how to run their lives from cradle to grave are the good people that should be cared for by a central governmental control. That is why they deserve free gov't housing, free food, free healthcare, free cell phones, free transportation, free education, and free internet. We're almost there already. Obama only needs 4 more years to get it done.
Is this your idea of capitalism?
Every business struggles for market share. In capitalism big business competes with and often eliminates small business. Big business often lobbies for regulations that make it more difficult for small businesses to survive. In the battle between big business and small business, both seek help from the government through regulations to gain advantage. While big business complains the most about regulaltions, they tend to generate most of the regulations...but want to keep what is most to their own advantage.

Pure capitalism does not work; and pure socialism does not work. What we need is a balance that serves the most amount of people. Right now Wall Street is doing very, very well at the expense of everyone else. So we need to level the playing field a bit.

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Arlington, VA

#103464 Oct 2, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Oh, boo-hoo. Poor baby.
MIDDLE FINGER --|--

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#103465 Oct 2, 2012
TedHOhio wrote:
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So you are claiming rocks grow from grains of sand? You're kidding right?
Hey Ted, I see you haven't changed your "headline" yet.

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Arlington, VA

#103466 Oct 2, 2012
appleboy wrote:
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Every business struggles for market share. In capitalism big business competes with and often eliminates small business. Big business often lobbies for regulations that make it more difficult for small businesses to survive. In the battle between big business and small business, both seek help from the government through regulations to gain advantage. While big business complains the most about regulaltions, they tend to generate most of the regulations...but want to keep what is most to their own advantage.
Pure capitalism does not work; and pure socialism does not work. What we need is a balance that serves the most amount of people. Right now Wall Street is doing very, very well at the expense of everyone else. So we need to level the playing field a bit.
You may be right. We have a unique system that can hopefully reach that balance. I'm just afraid of losing it.

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#103467 Oct 2, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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MIDDLE FINGER --|--
Oh, wow! All caps! How impressive!

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#103468 Oct 2, 2012
Yiago wrote:
Regarding the snowflake, I was merely pointing out that complicated structures can and do emerge from nature. Creationism claims that the 2d Law won't allow this. Yet here we are, all of us walking around all grown up from being babies. We have increased our complexity over time.
You say we increase our complexity over time as we develop? This contradicts your other statements regarding complexity. But it is backwards.

Entropy is a two-way street. Did you not realize how snowflakes form? From water being cooled? That is a reduction in entropy. How they almost immediately dissolve after being exposed to warmer energy?

Do you not realize that all the information for development is contained in the developing embryo so development is just the machine running on its already in place instructions? I could argue that organisms lose information as they age and grow old. That is, genetic instruction are what is being affected by entropy. The energy is for life is coming from the Sun which starts the Food Chain. Producers-Consumers-Decomposer s.
Psychology

Hollywood, FL

#103469 Oct 2, 2012
Dontcha know, rocks come self assembled? Hahahahahahaha

Some morons never learn.

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Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#103470 Oct 2, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Snowflake formation actually supports exactly what I am saying and is perfectly consisent with the laws of physics.
First of all it is formed by cooling which reduces entropy. That means the energy the water received was cooler and therefore had lower entropy than the water. The lower levels of entropy moved from the energy source to the system receiving it (water) and thus became more organized - it crystalized based on the water molecule's internal order into a 6-sided snowflake. Also, it doesn't last very long as it is quickly disolved into liquid water and water vapor as soon as it is exposed to the higher entropy heat. So thank you for that clarification.
And since Creationists invented the scientific method, I guess you could say they are scientific.
There isn't a single thing in that entire post that is scientifically valid.

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I'm a racist caricature!

#103471 Oct 2, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You say we increase our complexity over time as we develop? This contradicts your other statements regarding complexity. But it is backwards.
Entropy is a two-way street. Did you not realize how snowflakes form? From water being cooled? That is a reduction in entropy. How they almost immediately dissolve after being exposed to warmer energy?
Do you not realize that all the information for development is contained in the developing embryo so development is just the machine running on its already in place instructions? I could argue that organisms lose information as they age and grow old. That is, genetic instruction are what is being affected by entropy. The energy is for life is coming from the Sun which starts the Food Chain. Producers-Consumers-Decomposer s.
Are a sperm and an egg more or less complex than a grown adult?

Are a hydrogen atom and an oxygen atom more or less complex than an ice sculpture?

Is an iron atom more or less complex than a soliferrum?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#103472 Oct 2, 2012
Psychology wrote:
Dontcha know, rocks come self assembled? Hahahahahahaha
Some morons never learn.
So we've noticed.
hfhjfv

Phoenix, AZ

#103473 Oct 2, 2012
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Since: May 08

Orlando

#103474 Oct 2, 2012
hfhjfv wrote:
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What an illiterate, gibberish-filled and illogical post!

.....but it makes more sense than the majority of posts made by the Fundies here!

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#103475 Oct 2, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You say we increase our complexity over time as we develop? This contradicts your other statements regarding complexity. But it is backwards.
Entropy is a two-way street. Did you not realize how snowflakes form? From water being cooled? That is a reduction in entropy. How they almost immediately dissolve after being exposed to warmer energy?
Do you not realize that all the information for development is contained in the developing embryo so development is just the machine running on its already in place instructions? I could argue that organisms lose information as they age and grow old. That is, genetic instruction are what is being affected by entropy. The energy is for life is coming from the Sun which starts the Food Chain. Producers-Consumers-Decomposer s.
It is debatable whether complexity is increased or decreased on the cellular level. Humans have a more complex brain than a chimp, though each individual brain cell of a chimp may be just as complex as a human's brain cell. What we have lost in strength and balance we have gained in intelligence. In a dynamic system, mutations are not specifically gain or loss, but rather "change".

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Chattanooga, TN

#103476 Oct 2, 2012
appleboy wrote:
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It is debatable whether complexity is increased or decreased on the cellular level. Humans have a more complex brain than a chimp, though each individual brain cell of a chimp may be just as complex as a human's brain cell. What we have lost in strength and balance we have gained in intelligence. In a dynamic system, mutations are not specifically gain or loss, but rather "change".
Oh come, you're losing perseptive. Compare a single cell prokaryote bacteria to a human. You guys get too comfortable comparing chimps with humans.

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I'm a racist caricature!

#103477 Oct 2, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Oh come, you're losing perseptive. Compare a single cell prokaryote bacteria to a human. You guys get too comfortable comparing chimps with humans.
Is a house more or less complex than a city?

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#103478 Oct 2, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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3-D images can be show to exist with a computer attached to adjustable optics binocular cameras.
I'm sure you're bright enough to recognize that the analogy was metaphorical. A one-eyed person won't be able to experience a 3-D image despite all the scientific "proof" that it exists. It's a matter of perception which is, in turn, a function of the mind. Since our experience is limited to sensory information as processed through a mind, one person's perception of events may be entirely different from another's. And since everyone has "filters" by which to make sense of things, a "creotard" may have a completely different interpretation of evidence than an "evotard".

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#103479 Oct 2, 2012
Hey, Urb! Don't say I never did anything for you, you jerk.

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