Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180392 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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RICK

Auburn Hills, MI

#23 Feb 25, 2008
Iron raper..it has nothing to do with right brain,left brain,if you had a brain you'd take it out & play with it.
TerryL

Appleton, WI

#24 Feb 25, 2008
Admiral Langley wrote:
I send youthe thoughts that all people are with out a need of te other teachings Man has Not come from a pice of Moss nore can man prove that he is smarter tham the Creator ,think who made you in your Mothers Womb ,ok,now how can we be made in a cell that has no life and yet we teaxh Sex education and have thrown out the Bible and the works that are true and now we are at war from ec.07,1941 to Feb,02008 and ask for foolisd ness to be a rule of the life of our children.2
What??? More than a few fried brain cells being accessed in that post
lady

Phoenix, AZ

#25 Feb 25, 2008
you can see evolution all around you, with the development of resistance in so many creatures that we try to control, including microbes, insects and plants. that's natural selection in action.

Since: Jan 08

Cedar Knolls, NJ

#26 Feb 25, 2008
As long as evolution is taught as theory not fact--though I'm aware that many believe it is fact based on a consensus of scientists that say it is. Also, as long as the shortcomings of evolution are taught as well, including the lack of missing links. In other words, teach evolution in an honest way rather than trying to indoctrinate students.
allthumbs

Auburn Hills, MI

#27 Feb 25, 2008
This guy is absolutely correct. If it's going to be taught, it should not be taught as dictum but as a scientific theory, staring with the appropriate supporting data. If you understand the basis, then you understand the strengths and weaknesses of the theory.
lightside

United States

#28 Feb 25, 2008
lady wrote:
you can see evolution all around you, with the development of resistance in so many creatures that we try to control, including microbes, insects and plants. that's natural selection in action.
I agree all creatures have the ability to adapt to their environment but you never see either in the fossil records or present day example of one species turning into another ie- an elephant into a manatee their is no evidence..
lightside

United States

#29 Feb 25, 2008
TerryL wrote:
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Congratulations! You are the new leader in the "Most ignorant post of the month" contest. By the sound of your this "entry", you'll likely be posting even more evidence of your ignorance in the future. I can hardly wait.
This typical example of someone that lack the intelligence to debate. They have no proof of their religious beliefs(theory) so they call names. I feel bad for you.
Gabby Jim

Salt Lake City, UT

#30 Feb 25, 2008
MEAN EUGENE wrote:
How do the "intelligent design" conservative,right wing nuts explain dinosaur bones . Im looking for the punch line.
An "Intelligent" designer does not - as some believe, create something out of nothing - He will recycle materials at hand - and if they happen to contain the bones of some critter that inhabited a previous construciton, who cares? It makes an interesting playground and confuses the ignorant.---

What the real flak is all about is the right to pursue the trail where ever the evidence leads - the "ID" creationists want to ban the teaching of evolution (monkey trials)- and the evolutionsists want to muzzle the creationisists (the pendulum has swung to the other side). Each side ridicules the other without regard to facts or evidence. Indeed, both sides have tossed the idea of scientific or religious investigation out the window -if the facts don't fit the theory, toss the facts out and insist the blind belief is inviolable.

Suggested viewing: The "super trailer" at www.expelledthemovie.com - the other trailers are also intersting.

Since: Jan 08

Cedar Knolls, NJ

#31 Feb 25, 2008
lightside wrote:
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I agree all creatures have the ability to adapt to their environment but you never see either in the fossil records or present day example of one species turning into another ie- an elephant into a manatee their is no evidence..
And this is an important point because there is a difference between evolution and adaptation.
klaus kaczor

Vancouver, Canada

#32 Feb 25, 2008
Everything in science is a working theory ready to be revised by new information.

That is the nature of science, while everything in Religion is cast in stone in a creed of belief.

This is a direct contradiction to reason and antithetical to what our eyes behold. that is why religion claims authority in the "spiritual" realm.

Religious thought is not sane but a dangerous state of mind. Look at the history of the human race, religion is responsible for most of our strife.

Its a force which can keep a community together unite in belief but as soon as another community comes along with its own set of beliefs there is no peace.
Iron Ranger

Eden Prairie, MN

#33 Feb 25, 2008
Evolution is all bullshit. Pure speculation by "learned scientists." These people do nothing but save their collective asses by kissing the asses of those who fund their phony projects.

Don't be odd.
Get with God!

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TerryL

Appleton, WI

#34 Feb 25, 2008
lightside wrote:
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This typical example of someone that lack the intelligence to debate. They have no proof of their religious beliefs(theory) so they call names. I feel bad for you.
Sorry, but what is lacking is your knowledge of what The Theory of Evolution actually is. Your post is so full of misinformation that anyone who reads it will become dumber in the process. If you want to be taken seriously in this "debate" you should, at the very minimum, have some actual understanding of that which you are arguing against. Until then, you will be nothing more than what you show yourself to be, just ant other scientifically illiterate ignoramus. All the evidence needed to form that opinion is supplied by you. BTW, and elephant morphing into a manatee is NOT how evolution works.

“Common Sense - a new religion”

Since: Jan 08

Lexington, SC

#35 Feb 25, 2008
MAC1 wrote:
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And this is an important point because there is a difference between evolution and adaptation.
There is not a difference between the two. Adapation is evolution over a shorter time frame. To quote a poster from a different forum who said it very well - If you change a single letter in a word to make it mean something else. If you repeat those steps enough times, you have a new word altogether.
What does adaption do? It makes a changes to a population. What makes one species different from another? The differences in their structure. It is all the same thing, only the scales are different.

“Common Sense - a new religion”

Since: Jan 08

Lexington, SC

#36 Feb 25, 2008
Iron Ranger wrote:
Evolution is all bullshit. Pure speculation by "learned scientists." These people do nothing but save their collective asses by kissing the asses of those who fund their phony projects.
Don't be odd.
Get with God!
You call evolution, which is supported by evidence bullshit but happy through in with religion which is only supported by circular logic (the bible is true because the bible says it is true)?

You point at evolution and say "I can not believe that, there are holes in the evidence!" while giving creationism full support when it lacks all evidence? Do you suddenly go blind to the evidence (or lack thereof) when you view your own take on things?

To quote Jesus, "Remove the plank from your own eye before the speck in your brothers". Your lack of evidence is the plank compared to the speck of missing evidence in evolution.
Cmdr T

Baytown, TX

#37 Feb 25, 2008
Why is this still controversial?
Mr Reality

Santa Rosa, CA

#38 Feb 25, 2008
Iron Ranger wrote:
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You have to use your RIGHT BRAIN to get it. The six days is not a LITERAL, LEFT pea-brained six days.
Thus "six days' is a metaphor. God meant more like six centuries or six eons. Also those oldtimers who wrote the bible did NOT have same concept of six days that we have now.
So open up your mind.
Ask your teacher, mother or other smart person, if you still don't get it.
...how many people over the last several hundred years were put to death for working on the 7th day?

....oh, but it is all literal
Iron Ranger

Eden Prairie, MN

#39 Feb 25, 2008
Get_Over_It wrote:
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You call evolution, which is supported by evidence bullshit but happy through in with religion which is only supported by circular logic (the bible is true because the bible says it is true)?
You point at evolution and say "I can not believe that, there are holes in the evidence!" while giving creationism full support when it lacks all evidence? Do you suddenly go blind to the evidence (or lack thereof) when you view your own take on things?
To quote Jesus, "Remove the plank from your own eye before the speck in your brothers". Your lack of evidence is the plank compared to the speck of missing evidence in evolution.
Remove the dark plank from your ass.

Don't be odd.
Get with God!
Iron Ranger

Eden Prairie, MN

#40 Feb 25, 2008
Mr Reality wrote:
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...how many people over the last several hundred years were put to death for working on the 7th day?
....oh, but it is all literal
Have someone a lot smarter than you explain this simple concept. It shouldn't be hard to find someone smarter than you, by the way.

Don't be odd.
Get with God!
TerryL

Appleton, WI

#41 Feb 25, 2008
Cmdr T wrote:
Why is this still controversial?
Because, fundie Christians/creationists can't accept anything that they see as "flying in the face of their beliefs". They base their very lives on their belief that everything written in their particular version of "The Bible" is the inerrant word of their 'god'. If any one part is wrong then the rest can't be as inerrant as claimed. So, they must deny the existence of all evidence that goes against their belief system.
klaus kaczor

Vancouver, Canada

#42 Feb 25, 2008
Cmdr T wrote:
Why is this still controversial?
Because there are more morons being born everyday.

All the true real advances of the human race were brought into being by the thinking of a tiny minority of geniuses.

Most of this huge cancer of "intelligent " monkeys are not really so smart.

The majority consists of the slow ones which hinder human peace and progress, while being stupid enough to believe that they are man's salvation.

This is the "mass" of moron's, accessable to the clever leaders who conjured up "religion" the first mass marketing scheme as an artificial mental border which conveniently lends itself to being charismatic, as well as being ever expanding in its crusade form.

A perfect made for aggression and conquest, as well as home rule, motif.

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