When Will Evolutionists Confess Their...

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#1747 Jul 24, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
witscience.org/first-scientifi c-proof-god-found/
http://blogs.christianpost.com/dear-ephesus/e...

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

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Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#1748 Jul 24, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
Oops. that link up there is a hoax. I hadnt checked before posting. Pliz disregard it.
It is consistent with your record so far.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#1749 Jul 24, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
Oops. that link up there is a hoax. I hadnt checked before posting. Pliz disregard it.
What is clear is that you will reach for anything as evidence to your belief without properly vetting it. You are on here claiming the moon landings did happen while at the same time insisting that what we were shown was a contrived version shot by Hollywood. You don't even bother to make up a reason why this would be done. You are in a mess and don't seem to understand why you have no credibility here.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#1750 Jul 24, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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That's okay, it is not the first Wyoming Institute of Technology article that I have seen:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
LOL LOL LOL LOL oh LOL!

Especially "Dr. Richter DasMeerungeheuer" which means Dr. Judge the SeaOgre.
"Ungeheuer" can't be translated to English adequately, English is missing the right connotation.
Dutch is better: "wangedrocht".

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1751 Jul 24, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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LOL LOL LOL LOL oh LOL!
Especially "Dr. Richter DasMeerungeheuer" which means Dr. Judge the SeaOgre.
"Ungeheuer" can't be translated to English adequately, English is missing the right connotation.
Dutch is better: "wangedrocht".
I was introduced to the Wyoming Institute of Technology through an article where it was claimed that solar cells would drain the sun of its energy. Again, something so stupid that many people could see that it was a hoax from the start. The WIoT is a "scientific " version of The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#1752 Jul 24, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I was introduced to the Wyoming Institute of Technology through an article where it was claimed that solar cells would drain the sun of its energy. Again, something so stupid that many people could see that it was a hoax from the start. The WIoT is a "scientific " version of The Onion:
http://www.theonion.com/
LOL LOL LOL again! "solar cells are draining energy from the sun"!
Precious new add-on to my collection!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#1753 Jul 24, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
<quoted text>LOL LOL LOL again! "solar cells are draining energy from the sun"!
Precious new add-on to my collection!
Wasnt there a US Senator or Congressman who implied that wind Generators would sap wind energy?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1754 Jul 24, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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LOL LOL LOL again! "solar cells are draining energy from the sun"!
Precious new add-on to my collection!
I will see if I can find the article for you.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#1757 Jul 24, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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Wasnt there a US Senator or Congressman who implied that wind Generators would sap wind energy?
I don't know. Happily I won't have to deal with the idiots walking around in American politics.
I live in Europe.
Not that I am happy or content in all ways with our politicians but they at least all know to manage to think moderate and within the realms of reality.
We don't have idiots walking around in our national scientific councils that believe that the earth is 6,000 years old.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#1758 Jul 24, 2014
Found it.

September 18, 2009

JOE BARTON, ENVIRONMENTAL VISIONARY.... Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), who apparently considers himself a Senate-caliber lawmaker, is generally recognized as the House's most pro-pollution member. Barton not only rejects practically all scientific evidence related to the environment, he also leads the way in creative rationalizing of ridiculous ideas.

Kate Sheppard reported today on some recent Barton comments about climate change and wind power.

"Wind is God's way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it's hotter to areas where it's cooler. That's what wind is. Wouldn't it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I'm not saying that's going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can't transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It's just something to think about."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/ind...

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wondering

Morris, OK

#1759 Jul 28, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
Found it.
September 18, 2009
JOE BARTON, ENVIRONMENTAL VISIONARY.... Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), who apparently considers himself a Senate-caliber lawmaker, is generally recognized as the House's most pro-pollution member. Barton not only rejects practically all scientific evidence related to the environment, he also leads the way in creative rationalizing of ridiculous ideas.
Kate Sheppard reported today on some recent Barton comments about climate change and wind power.
"Wind is God's way of balancing heat. Wind is the way you shift heat from areas where it's hotter to areas where it's cooler. That's what wind is. Wouldn't it be ironic if in the interest of global warming we mandated massive switches to energy, which is a finite resource, which slows the winds down, which causes the temperature to go up? Now, I'm not saying that's going to happen, Mr. Chairman, but that is definitely something on the massive scale. I mean, it does make some sense. You stop something, you can't transfer that heat, and the heat goes up. It's just something to think about."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/ind...
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politics and religion do ot mix. that is a big problem in america. both are based off of lies and bs but both use their lies and bs to get ahead, make money and play the people..

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Since: Mar 12

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#1760 Aug 3, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> Boy , i really pity you. Believe me, i honestly feel a bad thing on my throat when i look at you. You are soo deep in the mire ,i feel frustrated. And the worst part is that you see me as the one trapped in mire, because you stand on the rock of science , which appears to be able to provide answers to almost all your questions. What you dont seem to understand is that we know what you know ; science. There are highly schooled individuals who kneel down everyday and pray to God.They know everything you know but because you do not know eveything they know ,you would fight if they tried to preach to you. Its a horrible situation. And you are gravely mistaken, i do not fear death one little bit. Infact i look forward to it. Right now i can give you one assuarance, a guarantee, that if you could develope a sincerity within your heart for desire to know , you will know. That is the one thing i know God honours. A sincere desire to learn.
These things are hidden by a very intelligent being, trilions of times more than us .People cry for a year upon receiving revelation of the truth. HIS wisdom overwhelms a human being in a manner beyond description. Just ask around and see if am lying. People cry endlessly after an encounter with God s wisdom for a whole year.
No, you are the one trapped in a mire - a load of dogmatic hogwash for which you have no evidence.

Let me be perfectly honest with you - at times I do feel that in some sense the universe is a benign creation, a sense that I feel no necessity to attach all these ridiculous dogmas to. I feel no need to attach that feeling to some sky God who demanded that one tribe of ancients slaughter a bunch of other tribes in "His" name, an idiotic attitude that even now has the world inflamed in intractable hatreds. Or threaten people with eternal hellfire if they did not kiss his ass. etc etc etc. These are the very notions that men like Spinoza and Jefferson and Einstein saw were ridiculous. Even Socrates and Buddha did, for that matter.

So its not purely on the basis of modern science that I reject your position. I reject it because your religion, and nearly every other religion, insult and diminish the very idea of God and spirituality. I am agnostic on the subject of God, but definitely atheist on the notion of your particular notion of God. I hope that is clear.
wondering

Morris, OK

#1761 Aug 3, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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No, you are the one trapped in a mire - a load of dogmatic hogwash for which you have no evidence.
Let me be perfectly honest with you - at times I do feel that in some sense the universe is a benign creation, a sense that I feel no necessity to attach all these ridiculous dogmas to. I feel no need to attach that feeling to some sky God who demanded that one tribe of ancients slaughter a bunch of other tribes in "His" name, an idiotic attitude that even now has the world inflamed in intractable hatreds. Or threaten people with eternal hellfire if they did not kiss his ass. etc etc etc. These are the very notions that men like Spinoza and Jefferson and Einstein saw were ridiculous. Even Socrates and Buddha did, for that matter.
So its not purely on the basis of modern science that I reject your position. I reject it because your religion, and nearly every other religion, insult and diminish the very idea of God and spirituality. I am agnostic on the subject of God, but definitely atheist on the notion of your particular notion of God. I hope that is clear.
so when you sometimes feel "at times you do feel that in some sense the universe is a benign creation". Who do you attribute those feelings to and why?

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Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#1762 Aug 3, 2014
wondering wrote:
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so when you sometimes feel "at times you do feel that in some sense the universe is a benign creation". Who do you attribute those feelings to and why?
Attribution of those feelings is the first mistake.

Since: May 14

Europe

#1763 Aug 4, 2014
It couldnt be clearer, though gravely mistaken. You want God to fit in your expectation of a god and when that doesnt happen He gets written off. He created , not you ! So it is you who s going to obey the rules He set and not the other way round. He will do what He wants with His creation and you have no capacity whatsoever to ask questions or cast aspersion on His actions, for you account as nothing before Him. Scripture describes man as a vapour, which is visible for only short while. And again, God promises justice to all so once you get to see the whole picture, no one will appear to have been treated unfairly.
You seek evidence for the existence of my God ; You will never find even a shred of it because He has hidden Himself trillions of times more intelligently than man could uncover. Though it is still very posible to know (beyond doubt) of His existence by mustering faith in Him which in turn leads to a revelation from Him. When this happens , you get to KNOW !, without doubt, that He lives. I repeat ; WITHOUT DOUBT. No science involved, just impartation of profound knowledge that changes lives immensely. Of both Intellectuals and illiterates.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#1764 Aug 4, 2014
Dammit Barbie, you woke up Kenny!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#1765 Aug 4, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
It couldnt be clearer, though gravely mistaken. You want God to fit in your expectation of a god and when that doesnt happen He gets written off. He created , not you ! So it is you who s going to obey the rules He set and not the other way round. He will do what He wants with His creation and you have no capacity whatsoever to ask questions or cast aspersion on His actions, for you account as nothing before Him. Scripture describes man as a vapour, which is visible for only short while.
Sorry but that's just crap. Once your creator allegedly poofed man into existence as an intelligent creature with free will, he abdicated his right to do anything he wants with him.

Not the first time, he failed to see down the road. If I remember right, he had the same problem with angels. Not very good at this, is he?

Either he's a loving god or a vindictive, immoral murderer. You can't have it both ways.
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
And again, God promises justice to all so once you get to see the whole picture, no one will appear to have been treated unfairly.
Yeah, right. I'm sure all the victims of genocide are thrilled.
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
You seek evidence for the existence of my God ; You will never find even a shred of it because He has hidden Himself trillions of times more intelligently than man could uncover.
OR! Nobody's home.
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
Though it is still very posible to know (beyond doubt) of His existence by mustering faith in Him which in turn leads to a revelation from Him. When this happens , you get to KNOW !, without doubt, that He lives. I repeat ; WITHOUT DOUBT. No science involved, just impartation of profound knowledge that changes lives immensely. Of both Intellectuals and illiterates.
I'm glad you have your faith to cling to. I'm just not buying it.
wondering

Morris, OK

#1766 Aug 4, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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Attribution of those feelings is the first mistake.
so trying to explain those feelings you see as the first mistake.
you ever had a gut feeling? a bad feeling? why is it you/we try to explain those but you see the other as a mistake.

Since: May 14

Europe

#1767 Aug 4, 2014
wondering wrote:
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so trying to explain those feelings you see as the first mistake.
you ever had a gut feeling? a bad feeling? why is it you/we try to explain those but you see the other as a mistake.
He sees such attribution as a mistake because theres no linking evidence that connects to the 'supposed' higher being. He needs evidence. On the other hand he has this gut feeling that the universe is benign to life. Is there anyone here who knows and understands how many physical components have to be benign for life to be possible? And could this benign phenomenom come about purely by chance?

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Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#1768 Aug 5, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> He sees such attribution as a mistake because theres no linking evidence that connects to the 'supposed' higher being. He needs evidence. On the other hand he has this gut feeling that the universe is benign to life. Is there anyone here who knows and understands how many physical components have to be benign for life to be possible? And could this benign phenomenom come about purely by chance?
Jumping from a sense of a benign universe, at times a sense of wholeness and oneness of it all, and connecting that to the human scriptures found in the Bible and the Quran, and then using that as a framework to reject science, is the foolishness.

Those attributions of the basic "spiritual feeling" are culturally mired and you would just as readily be a Muslim or a Hindu or even a Druid if you had been born elsewhere. Religions succeed by welding your authentic spiritual sense to their own narrative until you cannot distinguish one from the other.

Who could honestly take this passage of your holy book seriously today?

"And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."

Your problem is that you cannot disentangle the authentic spiritual sense you feel (as in, real to you, immediate, visceral) from a bunch of old fairy tales that are well crafted to stimulate this same sense - and you then make the logical error of assuming that therefore they are all true. Well, fear and love are real too, and they can be stimulated by watching movies, but the movie does not have to be literally true to accomplish its goal.

And, to finish, the fine tuning argument even if true is totally irrelevant to the question of whether we should take biblical stories literally. Its a false association.

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