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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#1017 Jul 3, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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I hope you already understand that RNA is very similar to DNA, just using two different bases in the nucleotide sequence.
Nitpick: and also a different sugar along the spine of the molecule. DNA uses deoxyribose and RNA uses ribose.
RNA can form spontaneously in nature, we know that. But DNA can only form, as far as we know, once several enzymes (catalytic proteins) are in existence. So they would have had to have been transcribed from RNA templates in the first instance.
Which brings us into the world of reverse transcriptases. I don't know of nay that are not purely protein. if we saw an RNA based reverse transcriptase, that would be very interesting!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1018 Jul 3, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> Because am an IDIOT .
Then why should we take your claims seriously when they are based on assumptions that you can't back up?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1019 Jul 3, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
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I bet he did text you He has all the atheists numbers on speed dial to keep up his work. He is proud of what you atheists do for him. Too bad for you that he doesn't return favors. You do for him now and he will burn you later. Have a nice day son of satan.
Ah, well. Could be worse. Could have been dragged upstairs with you guys.

Believe me, you want me to experience eternal torture? Take me to heaven surrounded by fundies like YOU.

Since: May 14

Europe

#1020 Jul 3, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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Chemical reactions.
I see. But i wonder then how comes we have nice words like abiogenesis, photosyhthesis, gametogenesis..... arent all those chemical reactions ? You wanna know why we dont have a name for DNA info formation ? Because it never formed. It was created. And your stranded biology scientist is confounded , when he sees the instructions which clearly must emanate from a mind. It occurs to him that avoiding the topic, to the point of leaving it nameless is the best option.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#1021 Jul 3, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
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I bet he did text you He has all the atheists numbers on speed dial to keep up his work. He is proud of what you atheists do for him. Too bad for you that he doesn't return favors. You do for him now and he will burn you later. Have a nice day son of satan.
I've never claimed to be an atheist.

Satan doesn't exist.

Have a nice day, crackhead.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1022 Jul 3, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> I see. But i wonder then how comes we have nice words like abiogenesis, photosyhthesis, gametogenesis..... arent all those chemical reactions ? You wanna know why we dont have a name for DNA info formation ? Because it never formed. It was created. And your stranded biology scientist is confounded , when he sees the instructions which clearly must emanate from a mind. It occurs to him that avoiding the topic, to the point of leaving it nameless is the best option.
What instructions? What is the code? What does it say? How did you figure this out? Via what mechanisms does this occur?

Why are you STILL unable to answer questions based on assumptions you cannot backup?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1023 Jul 3, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> I see. But i wonder then how comes we have nice words like abiogenesis, photosyhthesis, gametogenesis..... arent all those chemical reactions ? You wanna know why we dont have a name for DNA info formation ?
Mainly because we don't have good definitions of the word 'information' that allow for quantification. The closest we have is negative entropy, and then it is simply easier to use the word 'entropy'.
Because it never formed. It was created.
No, it is because the term 'information' is rather too broad to be useful in this context. Like I said,*everything* has information. That is nothing special about DNA.
And your stranded biology scientist is confounded , when he sees the instructions which clearly must emanate from a mind. It occurs to him that avoiding the topic, to the point of leaving it nameless is the best option.
And this is simply wrong. The 'instructions' are not directions from one mind to another to do something. They aren't even directions from one mind to an assembly line to do something. They are parts of the assembly line being used as templates for other parts of the assembly line. The 'instructions' are clearly *not* produced by a mind because we can actually watch the reproduction and no mind intervenes.

“Don't Like Bumping Your Butt?”

Since: Jul 14

Stop Hopping Down The Trail!

#1024 Jul 3, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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I've never claimed to be an atheist.
Satan doesn't exist.
Have a nice day, crackhead.
Most never admit they are atheists. They just say I am behind science because they are cowards.

Satan is a myth? So you lied about the text? Typical. All atheists lie.

I always have a good day. I bounce around on crack all the way.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1025 Jul 3, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
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Most never admit they are atheists. They just say I am behind science because they are cowards.
Really? Tell that to the evangelical Christians at Baylor University, the "largest Baptist University in the world," where the students go on mission trips, etc.

This is from the Biology Department at Baylor:
http://www.baylor.edu/biology/index.php...

Statement on Evolution
"Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously."

Also, here from the Baylor Geology Department:
http://www.baylor.edu/geology/index.php...

Quote:

"Question: Does the fossil record support the idea of biological change over time (biological evolution)?

Yes. The fossil record clearly indicates...

• a progression in complexity of organisms from very simple fossil forms in the oldest rocks (>3.5 billion years old) to a broad spectrum from simple to complex forms in younger rocks,

• that some organisms that were once common are now extinct, and

• that the living organisms inhabiting our world today are similar (but generally not the same) as organisms represented as fossils in young sedimentary deposits, which in turn have evolutionary ancestors represented as fossils in yet older rocks.

Mammals, for example, are prevalent today and can be traced back in the fossil record for approximately 200 million years, but are not present as mammals in the fossil record before that; however, fossil forms that have reasonably been interpreted to be associated with the evolutionary precursors to mammals are found in older rocks.

Whether biological evolution occurs has not been a matter of scientific debate for more than a century. It is considered a proven fact."

End quote
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1026 Jul 3, 2014
I went to the following webpage, which is on the site of the Southern Baptist Convention.

http://www.sbc.net/colleges.asp

This page lists all the colleges and universities that are affiliated with the Southern Baptists.

One of the first on the list is Samford University, which has a biology major.

On the Samford University website, I find this:

http://howard.samford.edu/uploadedFiles/Howar...

Statement on Evolution

Scientific understanding is advanced by the rigorous review of evidence about natural phenomena. Evolution, a foundational concept in biology, has been established through empirical evidence, and the consensus of the scientific community is that evolution is the best
explanation for the origins of biological diversity. Because an understanding of evolution is critical to the advancement of human health, the preservation of our environment, and an understanding of biological processes, our department strongly supports the teaching of evolution as an essential component of a quality education in the sciences.

Many scientists who study evolution hold deep religious convictions, and many religious organizations have issued statements in support of teaching evolution. The biology faculty at Samford University support the university’s mission to nurture persons for God, for learning,
forever, and believe in the compatibility of science and religion in regard to human origins and biological diversity. One of the benefits of a Samford education is an opportunity to view life from multiple perspectives, and many Samford faculty members have taken an active role in leading discussions about human origins in a variety of scholarly and religious settings.

For further reading:
The American Scientific Affiliation ( http://www.asa3.org/ )

AAAS Dialogue on Science, Education and Religion
( http://www.aaas.org/spp/dser/ )

The Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences
( http://www.ctns.org/about.html )

ELCA Alliance for Faith, Science, and Technology
( http://www.elca.org/faithandscience/ )

Episcopal Church Committee on Science, Technology, and Faith
( http://www.episcopalchurch.org/science/ )

The Metanexus Institute
( http://www.metanexus.net/metanexus_online/con... )

The Clergy Letter Project
( http://www.uwosh.edu/colleges/cols/clergy_pro... )

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#1027 Jul 3, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
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Most never admit they are atheists. They just say I am behind science because they are cowards.
I see. You're an expert on atheists, huh? Or just another run of the mill bullshitter?
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
Satan is a myth? So you lied about the text? Typical. All atheists lie.
We call them jokes. They require a sense of humor to process them. Something fundamentalists are sorely lacking.
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
I always have a good day. I bounce around on crack all the way.
That seems quite obvious.

“Don't Like Bumping Your Butt?”

Since: Jul 14

Stop Hopping Down The Trail!

#1028 Jul 3, 2014
Gillette wrote:
I went to the following webpage, which is on the site of the Southern Baptist Convention.
http://www.sbc.net/colleges.asp
This page lists all the colleges and universities that are affiliated with the Southern Baptists.
One of the first on the list is Samford University, which has a biology major.
On the Samford University website, I find this:
http://howard.samford.edu/uploadedFiles/Howar...
Statement on Evolution
Scientific understanding is advanced by the rigorous review of evidence about natural phenomena. Evolution, a foundational concept in biology, has been established through empirical evidence, and the consensus of the scientific community is that evolution is the best
explanation for the origins of biological diversity. Because an understanding of evolution is critical to the advancement of human health, the preservation of our environment, and an understanding of biological processes, our department strongly supports the teaching of evolution as an essential component of a quality education in the sciences.
Many scientists who study evolution hold deep religious convictions, and many religious organizations have issued statements in support of teaching evolution. The biology faculty at Samford University support the university’s mission to nurture persons for God, for learning,
forever, and believe in the compatibility of science and religion in regard to human origins and biological diversity. One of the benefits of a Samford education is an opportunity to view life from multiple perspectives, and many Samford faculty members have taken an active role in leading discussions about human origins in a variety of scholarly and religious settings.
For further reading:
The American Scientific Affiliation ( http://www.asa3.org/ )
AAAS Dialogue on Science, Education and Religion
( http://www.aaas.org/spp/dser/ )
The Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences
( http://www.ctns.org/about.html )
ELCA Alliance for Faith, Science, and Technology
( http://www.elca.org/faithandscience/ )
Episcopal Church Committee on Science, Technology, and Faith
( http://www.episcopalchurch.org/science/ )
The Metanexus Institute
( http://www.metanexus.net/metanexus_online/con... )
The Clergy Letter Project
( http://www.uwosh.edu/colleges/cols/clergy_pro... )
Well Hippity Hop!! It is all about the money to be made and law suits to be avoided. If universities could make enough money they would teach about more myths,,, wait they do it is called Greek Mythology.
And a few more useless classes like Parapsychology, Philosophy, The Science of Harry Potter, Learning from YouTube, Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame, How to Watch Television, Invented Languages: Klingon and Beyond, Arguing With Judge Judy. There are 100's upon 1000's of stupid classes being taught in universities. But people need jobs, universities need students and even BS rakes in the money.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#1029 Jul 3, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
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Well Hippity Hop!! It is all about the money to be made and law suits to be avoided. If universities could make enough money they would teach about more myths,,, wait they do it is called Greek Mythology.
And a few more useless classes like Parapsychology, Philosophy, The Science of Harry Potter, Learning from YouTube, Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame, How to Watch Television, Invented Languages: Klingon and Beyond, Arguing With Judge Judy. There are 100's upon 1000's of stupid classes being taught in universities. But people need jobs, universities need students and even BS rakes in the money.
Well, there is also the little matter that Evolution is backed by evidence. That tends to lend it credibility in academic settings.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#1030 Jul 3, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
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I bet he did text you He has all the atheists numbers on speed dial to keep up his work. He is proud of what you atheists do for him. Too bad for you that he doesn't return favors. You do for him now and he will burn you later. Have a nice day son of satan.
Also, Evolution has nothing to do with Atheism.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1031 Jul 3, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
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Well Hippity Hop!! It is all about the money to be made and law suits to be avoided.......But people need jobs, universities need students and even BS rakes in the money.
And yet they lay out some of the specific EVIDENCE for evolution, which you cannot refute.

It's all about the evidence, asshole.

And you crude, ignorant Jesus Freaks are in NO POSITION to accuse anyone ELSE of being "all about the money," right? Your gutter religion is a multi-BILLION $ a year business, isn't it?

Praise Cheeeeses!
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#1032 Jul 3, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
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Well Hippity Hop!! It is all about the money to be made and law suits to be avoided. If universities could make enough money they would teach about more myths,,, wait they do it is called Greek Mythology.
And a few more useless classes like Parapsychology, Philosophy, The Science of Harry Potter, Learning from YouTube, Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame, How to Watch Television, Invented Languages: Klingon and Beyond, Arguing With Judge Judy. There are 100's upon 1000's of stupid classes being taught in universities. But people need jobs, universities need students and even BS rakes in the money.
Hippity hop!
Talking about money: http://www.money.co.uk/misc/the-business-of-r... .
Hippity hop!

If all that wasted money would have been spent on science, the world would be many steps further ahead in fighting famine, diseases and in providing people decent livelihood.

Because science accomplishes MORE in any random few decades than your whole religion in its ENTIRE 4,100 years of history.

I have a proposal: all money to religion right into science.
At least scinetific institutions pay their tax bills decently: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...

Since: May 14

United States

#1033 Jul 3, 2014
Hey , has anyone noticed a trend here ? The quest for origins in BOTH cosmology and biology is quite revealing on the nature of diversion and deceit thats been sneaked into it. Using the first 8 letters of the alphabet as points in time across all past existence, we place today at point H. Time moves forward towards Z while research on origins looks back towards point A. Our knowledge and research goes smoothly backwards from the present, point H, then to G , to F, to E, to D and then to C where the tracks disappear completely. If you stood at this pont ,C , and look all over, all observations point to a designer.In biology point C is the moment when information was fed into the first gene,i.e the gene came into existence, and in cosmology it is the instance of activation of the bang/ or inflation.
The deceivers, having seen the problems with observations at C, designed an ingenious way of going round this problem by skipping point B (which is very mysterious) and landing at A where they create hypothetical phenomena (multiverses and abiogenesis) which they link backwards to the dead tracks at C so neatly most questions dissolve automatically. Do you see it ? In both sciences ?

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#1034 Jul 4, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
Hey , has anyone noticed a trend here ? The quest for origins in BOTH cosmology and biology is quite revealing on the nature of diversion and deceit thats been sneaked into it. Using the first 8 letters of the alphabet as points in time across all past existence, we place today at point H. Time moves forward towards Z while research on origins looks back towards point A. Our knowledge and research goes smoothly backwards from the present, point H, then to G , to F, to E, to D and then to C where the tracks disappear completely. If you stood at this pont ,C , and look all over, all observations point to a designer.In biology point C is the moment when information was fed into the first gene,i.e the gene came into existence, and in cosmology it is the instance of activation of the bang/ or inflation.
The deceivers, having seen the problems with observations at C, designed an ingenious way of going round this problem by skipping point B (which is very mysterious) and landing at A where they create hypothetical phenomena (multiverses and abiogenesis) which they link backwards to the dead tracks at C so neatly most questions dissolve automatically. Do you see it ? In both sciences ?
Whooee boy! I want some of what you're smoking. It must be some mighty fine shit!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1035 Jul 4, 2014
Rabbit On Crack wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Hippity Hop!! It is all about the money to be made and law suits to be avoided. If universities could make enough money they would teach about more myths,,, wait they do it is called Greek Mythology.
And a few more useless classes like Parapsychology, Philosophy, The Science of Harry Potter, Learning from YouTube, Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame, How to Watch Television, Invented Languages: Klingon and Beyond, Arguing With Judge Judy. There are 100's upon 1000's of stupid classes being taught in universities. But people need jobs, universities need students and even BS rakes in the money.
Uh yeah, so it's all a great big worldwide atheist conspiracy. Got any evidence? Or can you refute evolution? Or you gonna just hop there and just talk crap all day long?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1036 Jul 4, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
Hey , has anyone noticed a trend here ? The quest for origins in BOTH cosmology and biology is quite revealing on the nature of diversion and deceit thats been sneaked into it.
Right. That's why you keep avoiding my questions.

We KNOW there's deception. That's why creationists lie all the time. Time for you to start being honest.

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