“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#687 Jun 15, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
AGAIN: WHAT is THE THEORY OF ID?
It is the third in the trilogy of fundie positive proofs for the existence of God.

1) Puppy dogs are cute.
2) It's still a Hobbit.
3) It's really complicated.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#688 Jun 15, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> I understood the issue you are raising the first time , and skipped it because it really is a tricky querry and requires gentle handling. Remember what i said about knowing multiplication sums before you can do calculus ? The same principle applies here. Its not easy to see any morals in bible *genocides* as an unbeleiver. Lets see if we can pull this off.
First ,for purposes of this discourse , you will have to make assumptions, without which the explanations comes to naught. Now, assume that there s God out there and the bible is His infallible word (bring your self to do this no matter how hard it is). So now we will use his word to proceed.
It says that every human being is a sinner and the whole world is under the sway/control of the devil. How this came to be should be an issue for some other day. It thus appears like God lost the contest for control of the human mind which he created , and so has settled for a numerically lesser population of followers (than the devil's).He calls them 'remnant'. To get these few followers He
approached a people (jews) and made symbiotic treaties with them, that He will help them with some of their problems while He uses them to reveal His hidden self to the world.
As a precursor to what lies ahead of the life we live here on earth, He visits hell on disobedient people and blesses the obedient ,and causes it to be captured in writting,and preserves those writtings that the display of His works might be manifest to all. Note that the Jews too are not spared in receiving punishment from Him, even ending up with the serverest forms.Since all humanity has gone with the devil ,He only wants a small remnant and will get it by showing that He lives. Now this is His universe, and He will drive it how He wants ,anyone uncomfortable with this should create his own universe and go live there. We should be thankfull He has shown us love by showering His mercies upon us even after we ve turned away from Him And went after the lying devil. What you call genocide is in effect love to humankind because through it some of the required remnant are redeemed.
Epic fail.

First, your assumptions are immensely controversial.
Second, you do not know what God wants.
Third, your conclusion is nonsensical.

“I have upset the hand of god”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Threats pending

#689 Jun 15, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> I understood the issue you are raising the first time , and skipped it because it really is a tricky querry and requires gentle handling. Remember what i said about knowing multiplication sums before you can do calculus ? The same principle applies here. Its not easy to see any morals in bible *genocides* as an unbeleiver. Lets see if we can pull this off.
First ,for purposes of this discourse , you will have to make assumptions, without which the explanations comes to naught. Now, assume that there s God out there and the bible is His infallible word (bring your self to do this no matter how hard it is). So now we will use his word to proceed.
It says that every human being is a sinner and the whole world is under the sway/control of the devil. How this came to be should be an issue for some other day. It thus appears like God lost the contest for control of the human mind which he created , and so has settled for a numerically lesser population of followers (than the devil's).He calls them 'remnant'. To get these few followers He
approached a people (jews) and made symbiotic treaties with them, that He will help them with some of their problems while He uses them to reveal His hidden self to the world.
As a precursor to what lies ahead of the life we live here on earth, He visits hell on disobedient people and blesses the obedient ,and causes it to be captured in writting,and preserves those writtings that the display of His works might be manifest to all. Note that the Jews too are not spared in receiving punishment from Him, even ending up with the serverest forms.Since all humanity has gone with the devil ,He only wants a small remnant and will get it by showing that He lives. Now this is His universe, and He will drive it how He wants ,anyone uncomfortable with this should create his own universe and go live there. We should be thankfull He has shown us love by showering His mercies upon us even after we ve turned away from Him And went after the lying devil. What you call genocide is in effect love to humankind because through it some of the required remnant are redeemed.
Excellent. You are developing the mindset of an accomplished mass murderer. When you can justify evil as a benefit to all, then you can start your final solution without guilt. Christian Love? We don't need no stinking Christian Love.

Since: May 14

Europe

#690 Jun 15, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
AGAIN: WHAT is THE THEORY OF ID?
It goes something like ; Your ape great grandfather was not an ape man after all, only sired an extremely retarded great grandson.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#691 Jun 15, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> It goes something like ; Your ape great grandfather was not an ape man after all, only sired an extremely retarded great grandson.
That's not it at all. That is a frivolous insult.

I just explained the 'Theory of Intelligent Design'.

At this point your next step is to condemn someone to hell. Take your pick

Since: May 14

Europe

#692 Jun 15, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
At this point your next step is to condemn someone to hell. Take your pick
All individuals pick their final destination without coercion. Hevean or hell. No mid ground

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#693 Jun 15, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> It goes something like ; Your ape great grandfather was not an ape man after all, only sired an extremely retarded great grandson.
Please try to be honest. Most creationists, at least English speaking ones, are Christians and your holy book has a rule against lying.

Why do non-Christians always have to point out to Christians that they are breaking their own rule-book?

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#694 Jun 15, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> All individuals pick their final destination without coercion. Hevean or hell. No mid ground
I did not mean pick your final destination. I meant pick from among the residents of the forum who know you're a screwball and condemn him or her to hell.

Since: May 14

Europe

#695 Jun 15, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not mean pick your final destination. I meant pick from among the residents of the forum who know you're a screwball and condemn him or her to hell.
I got what you meant the first time.So i replied with everyone gets to pick for themselves where to go. And i repeat , there s no mid ground. Only heaven and hell. Currently most of them arheaded the wrong way, but who knows, the dude could turn around tommorow and repent. No, i have no capacity to pick hell bound members from this group.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#696 Jun 15, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> I got what you meant the first time.So i replied with everyone gets to pick for themselves where to go. And i repeat , there s no mid ground. Only heaven and hell. Currently most of them arheaded the wrong way, but who knows, the dude could turn around tommorow and repent. No, i have no capacity to pick hell bound members from this group.
And yet you have no objective evidence for your claims. Why should we believe you over the Muslims or the Hindus or even the Pastafarians. When it comes to heavens the Pastafarians probably have the best heaven. Since your odds of being right are right for almost any god why not believe in the one with the best offer?

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#697 Jun 15, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> I got what you meant the first time.So i replied with everyone gets to pick for themselves where to go. And i repeat , there s no mid ground. Only heaven and hell. Currently most of them arheaded the wrong way, but who knows, the dude could turn around tommorow and repent. No, i have no capacity to pick hell bound members from this group.
OK, that's better. Rather than condemn one of us to hell you condemn 'most' of us to hell.

You are full of shít.

Since: May 14

Europe

#698 Jun 15, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, that's better. Rather than condemn one of us to hell you condemn 'most' of us to hell.
You are full of shít.
Ok then, you ll be going to heaven. Now am i full of cream ?

Since: May 14

Europe

#699 Jun 15, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you have no objective evidence for your claims. Why should we believe you over the Muslims or the Hindus or even the Pastafarians. When it comes to heavens the Pastafarians probably have the best heaven. Since your odds of being right are right for almost any god why not believe in the one with the best offer?
Am not telling you to beleive my God, but to change atittude and start seeking for answers. Spiritual answers. I will guarantee that if you do so in sincerity those answers will come . My God challenges us in His word to put Him to the test and see if He s not true. Most sincere christians have done so and their faith has grown from beleif to knowledge,a knowledge deep within that s really difficult to share and imposible to verify scientifically.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#700 Jun 16, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> I understood the issue you are raising the first time , and skipped it because it really is a tricky querry and requires gentle handling. Remember what i said about knowing multiplication sums before you can do calculus ? The same principle applies here. Its not easy to see any morals in bible *genocides* as an unbeleiver. Lets see if we can pull this off.
First ,for purposes of this discourse , you will have to make assumptions, without which the explanations comes to naught. Now, assume that there s God out there and the bible is His infallible word (bring your self to do this no matter how hard it is). So now we will use his word to proceed.
It says that every human being is a sinner and the whole world is under the sway/control of the devil. How this came to be should be an issue for some other day. It thus appears like God lost the contest for control of the human mind which he created , and so has settled for a numerically lesser population of followers (than the devil's).He calls them 'remnant'. To get these few followers He
approached a people (jews) and made symbiotic treaties with them, that He will help them with some of their problems while He uses them to reveal His hidden self to the world.
As a precursor to what lies ahead of the life we live here on earth, He visits hell on disobedient people and blesses the obedient ,and causes it to be captured in writting,and preserves those writtings that the display of His works might be manifest to all. Note that the Jews too are not spared in receiving punishment from Him, even ending up with the serverest forms.Since all humanity has gone with the devil ,He only wants a small remnant and will get it by showing that He lives. Now this is His universe, and He will drive it how He wants ,anyone uncomfortable with this should create his own universe and go live there. We should be thankfull He has shown us love by showering His mercies upon us even after we ve turned away from Him And went after the lying devil. What you call genocide is in effect love to humankind because through it some of the required remnant are redeemed.
So I accept your premises for the sake of argument. Going with the Devil means, I take it, choosing sin over virtue. What is sin? Not following the 10 Commandments, for example. Do not murder. Do not lie. Do not steal.

God then demands that the group he has chosen should commit murder and theft - an annihilation - to establish "good" in the world. You know very well that God, being God, could have simply made an area empty for them to build this community of God. He did not HAVE to demand that they murder and rape the original occupants. God can do anything, right?

What I see is a typical primitive tribe of the region, bloodthirsty for territory and conquest like everyone else, and claiming that their God was the one to follow, like everyone else. They interpreted all their cultural experiences to their God's pleasure or wrath - like everyone else. They often cast their enemies - ie the tribe over the hill with the land they wanted - as all "Evil", just as people still do even today when they want to justify themselves. Yeah yeah, infidels, baby killers, liars, rapists...its always the Other Guys. Funny how the Loving Father of all men decided to demand that one group commit the same crimes in His name, the same sort of crimes you attribute to the ascent of the Devil.

You rebound in horror at the Nazis because the Jews they killed were somehow more real, being more modern. But they are no more or less real than the Midianites of 3000 years ago.

So in the ultimate act of moral relativism, you want me to accept that the genocides were OK because they were somehow necessary in establishing God's Kingdom. You say Kingdom, I say lebensraum. Shoving square pegs in round holes won't work.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#701 Jun 16, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> Am not telling you to beleive my God, but to change atittude and start seeking for answers. Spiritual answers. I will guarantee that if you do so in sincerity those answers will come . My God challenges us in His word to put Him to the test and see if He s not true. Most sincere christians have done so and their faith has grown from beleif to knowledge,a knowledge deep within that s really difficult to share and imposible to verify scientifically.
I am not telling you NOT to believe in God, but to accept the principles of modern science which has discovered many amazing things about our world and how we came to be here.

None of that rules out God.

It rules out a literal interpretation of Genesis.

And personally, the God of your Bible is ruled out on the basis of gross immorality, regardless of evolution or the big bang. Your belief system has some nice bits - and these can be deduced from a humanist ethical position anyway - but most of it is vile. You even know that, so are forced to concoct elaborate narratives about the Devil etc etc in order to justify the monstrosity of your own God.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#702 Jun 16, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> It goes something like ; Your ape great grandfather was not an ape man after all, only sired an extremely retarded great grandson.
A DECENT question was posed to you: WHAT IS THE THEORY OF ID?

For all here: read his answer above.

Why are all creationists acting as if creationism is in such a deplorable mental state?

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#703 Jun 16, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> Ok then, you ll be going to heaven. Now am i full of cream ?
If you were to f*ck off with your disgusting morality it would be a great relief.
You are as worse as your immoral Babble book.
WE DON'T NEED YOU AROUND.
I don't like immoral persons around.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#704 Jun 16, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> Have you seen perry marshals' "atheist riddle "? If not why dont you take a peek ?
I saw it probably YEARS before you did. It's not in there. Perry doesn't have the slightest clue as to what he's talking about.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#705 Jun 16, 2014
Kenedy njoroge wrote:
<quoted text> I understood the issue you are raising the first time , and skipped it because it really is a tricky querry and requires gentle handling. Remember what i said about knowing multiplication sums before you can do calculus ? The same principle applies here. Its not easy to see any morals in bible *genocides* as an unbeleiver. Lets see if we can pull this off.
First ,for purposes of this discourse , you will have to make assumptions, without which the explanations comes to naught. Now, assume that there s God out there and the bible is His infallible word (bring your self to do this no matter how hard it is). So now we will use his word to proceed.
... in which case you have no explanation. We're just to take your word for all this as his word because you just said so. So we still have no idea WHY some stuff is "moral" and some isn't, because what God said (which is really just what you said) goes and that's that.

This is the rather major flaw in accepting your assumptions.

Since: May 14

Europe

#706 Jun 16, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were to f*ck off with your disgusting morality it would be a great relief.
You are as worse as your immoral Babble book.
WE DON'T NEED YOU AROUND.
I don't like immoral persons around.
Go talk to the moderator. Otherwise shut up and put up !! Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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