The hope of evolutionists

The hope of evolutionists

There are 99 comments on the Pravda story from Feb 22, 2013, titled The hope of evolutionists. In it, Pravda reports that:

The recent media splash about finding the hypothetical common ancestor of all mammals is based upon nothing more than the evolutionary argument that DNA and biological similarities between species is evidence for common ancestry.

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#21 Feb 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
Serious minds have rejected your papers and you remain unpublished.
I am a publisher and I publish the work of highly esteemed revolutionaries. http://everythingimportant.org/

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#22 Feb 25, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>I am a publisher and I publish the work of highly esteemed revolutionaries. http://everythingimportant.org/
Liar.

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#23 Feb 25, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>But a mere 13.77 billion years is enough time for Darwinian stupidity to come true?
LOL! You ask a question like that, yet you claim to be a "professor"???? ROTFLMAO!!!

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#24 Feb 25, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>I am a publisher and I publish the work of highly esteemed revolutionaries. http://everythingimportant.org/
Any wingnut can publish any kind of BS on the internet. BFD.
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#25 Feb 25, 2013
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Any wingnut can publish any kind of BS on the internet. BFD.
So you think that the revolutionary opinions of Edward Herman, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Paul Craig Roberts, Chris Hedges and William Pepper are BS?
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#26 Feb 25, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>So you think that the revolutionary opinions of Edward Herman, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Paul Craig Roberts, Chris Hedges and William Pepper are BS?
Not necessarily. Yours however, yes. I highly doubt any of these have heard of you, and if they ever did they would certainly question your sanity the same way we do.(shrug)
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#27 Feb 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Not necessarily.
In other words, you're incredibly ignorant of the world and that's why you revel in natural selection, which is so brain-numbing of a near empty idea that it doesn't even pass the threshold of anecdote.

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#28 Feb 25, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>So you think that the revolutionary opinions of Edward Herman, Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Paul Craig Roberts, Chris Hedges and William Pepper are BS?
I think you're BS.

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#29 Feb 25, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, you're incredibly ignorant of the world and that's why you revel in natural selection, which is so brain-numbing of a near empty idea that it doesn't even pass the threshold of anecdote.
Sez the loony who has to publish on his own website as the scientific community told him to f*ck off.
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#30 Feb 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I think you're BS.
So what? You think the same of the character named Jesus in the New Testament.

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#31 Feb 25, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>So what? You think the same of the character named Jesus in the New Testament.
Oh here we go again. The arrogant little prick is going to compare himself to Jesus again. What a jerkoff.
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#33 Feb 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
The arrogant little prick is going to compare himself to Jesus again.
There's no question that you put me and Jesus in the same category. It's fine with me that I was the first to enlighten you about that.

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#34 Feb 25, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>There's no question that you put me and Jesus in the same category. It's fine with me that I was the first to enlighten you about that.
Mike, you called it, I think we all owe you $10 now.

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#35 Feb 26, 2013
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However, what if the DNA and biological similarities between species are because of a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes in various species?
That hypothesis might work if it were not for the progressive inclusion of chance and error events in the DNA itself (or the proteins it expresses), also being present, and present in the form of a nested hierarchy that only common ancestry explains coherently. These enlightening little error nodes are found in the form of ERV's, variations in pseudogenes, and in the non-functional portions of ubiquitous proteins, and all conform to the same nested hierarchy found in the fossil record.
(1)Genetic information, like other forms of information, cannot arise by chance,

(2) Clearly, there is a nonzero probability that a monkey typing randomly on a keyboard will compose a beautiful essay without a single spelling mistake or grammatical error on the very first try.
If your second statement is true, your first is clearly false.

Aside from that, the theory of evolution does not claim that information arises by chance alone, but by a combination of chance and non-random selection. Thus your argument fails both by your own counter-statement and by the fact you claim does not characterise evolution anyway.

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#36 Feb 26, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> Serious minds do take my ideas seriously. And I'm very content that my own particular contributions to revolutionary thought belong with and unify the work of other highly esteemed revolutionaries. http://everythingimportant.org/
<quoted text> Just give it time. Prophecy must be fulfilled. http://everythingimportant.org/
<quoted text>I'm a working mathematics professor and I tend to think that I'm very clever. Do you even know the name of a mathematician or physicist that even knows his way around my area of expertise?
Shubee, you can protest your cleverness all you like but its a meaningless claim. Clever people with bad ideas are a dime a dozen.

Clever people with the humility to throw bad ideas into a garbage bin, instead of trying to bolster them endlessly under the illusion that they are visionary prophets, now, they are the ones who make progress.

You trivialise natural selection yet it is a good, a very good, idea. You just hate it because its not easy to express in an elegant formula and puts the whole footing of life's development into a statistically indeterminate state...you worshipers of mathematics hate statistics...yet the illusion of predictable order breaks down even in sciences dealing with simple systems as soon as some complexity is brought in.

There is no way to accurately predict the motion of a mere 3-body Newtonian system, and Laplace's Demon was comatose even before Heisenberg and then Lorenz laid the poor ghoul to rest. Your thinking is Medieval with a superficial overlay of modernity, and that is all.

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#37 Feb 26, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, you're incredibly ignorant of the world and that's why you revel in natural selection, which is so brain-numbing of a near empty idea that it doesn't even pass the threshold of anecdote.
The dwarf insults the giant.
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#38 Feb 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
If your second statement is true, your first is clearly false.
Aside from that, the theory of evolution does not claim that information arises by chance alone, but by a combination of chance and non-random selection. Thus your argument fails both by your own counter-statement and by the fact you claim does not characterise evolution anyway.
Sorry Chimney, but you've failed to discern that I was offering my critique of the first two paragraphs of the article.
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#39 Feb 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
The dwarf insults the giant.
Mathematicians outrank storytellers.

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#40 Feb 26, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry Chimney, but you've failed to discern that I was offering my critique of the first two paragraphs of the article.
You have failed to discern that your critique fails.

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#41 Feb 26, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Mathematicians outrank storytellers.
By your definition, there is no distinction between any science and "story telling". You note mere similarities and claim an identity. Poor thinking.

Any scientific hypothesis is a "story" but the difference between a hypothesis and a Brothers Grimm tale is that the former must make valid predictions that are confirmed by empirical evidence. Evolution passes that test, Hansel and Gretel does not.

Mathematics on the other hand need never deal with empirical reality, living in the vacuum of pure abstraction. As such it can often provide a useful framework for science, but it should remember its place. Mathematicians may be masters of their own domain - a form of formal logic - but as far as science is concerned maths is merely a tool that may sometimes be useful in helping us to describe observable reality, usually in extremely simplified form. The multivariate, feedback loop infested, statistical, emergent, and chaotic nature of reality is beyond attempts at mathematical formalism. You are trying to use a wheelbarrow to move a mountain.

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