Bill Nye warns: Creation views threaten US science

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In this Feb. 7, 2012, file photo, President Barack Obama shakes hands with Bill Nye during an event in the East Room of the White House in Washington.

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Nuggin, you have never looked at the evidence. I have never met a criticism of christianity that did not have an answer. I say this boldly because I have looked at many of them - and never found ONE that held any water! No other religion compares to Christianity on the number of historical manuscripts that back up the religion.
There are over 60 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. These weren't the kind that were easily just made up.
The fact that Christianity has thousands of manuscripts to back it up is significant - no other religion has as many (ignoring Judaism). That IS significant. The historical evidence is staggering. No other religion compares.
Yes, I was raised a Christian but I would dump it if I thought it untrue!
Once again with the already debunked claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecy. Most of the so called predictions were fulfilled by the writers of the story, not by Jesus himself. Do you want another one? Emmanuel? give me a break. He was never called Emmanuel.
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God is not ''magic'' there is a science to him, so please stop saying that silly crap. Secondly he allows satan to being because there has to be some sort of divide between good and evil...thats life there just has to be. Water is a life giver or killer...it just has to be, thats how it is. There is so much science in the bible, watch the video..''fortify your faith'' if you dont, i cant help you, im not gonna waste my time typing, ive done it way to many times, a few are in these archives. You wont break my faith...my wife and I studied the flat earth crap....like ive said, both sides have interesting and good facts it them comes down to whos facts you want to believe...gods, or mans. Wanna know what science has done? Made our enviroment toxic, ever heard of RDIC's genetically engineered seeds? You cant buy anything but anymore, they grow once a year and then you must buy more, natural seeds....gods seeds dont do that, they grow as long as you care for them each year...wanna know why they did that to seeds? So you cannot become self sufficient...thank science for giving the powers at be''world control'' who back in the times of christ could have seriously thought there could be a one world order? Impossible back then, as well as a mark to prevent buying or selling....well now we know. RFID tech, you dont do what the tyrannical government tells you, they can and WILL shut that chip off. And I know what you will say,''oh oh dur dur its for medical info..'' yes right now it is...but im 100% sure there will be some upgrades in its future. Repent, dont put faith in man, he only wants power and control to do evil. Put faith in christ, who has both power and control and wants you to come to repentance for good and salvation.
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You are missing the point entirely.
Education isn't about freedom of choice. You don't get to choose which number is between 6 and 8. You don't get to choose which President was in office during the Civil War. You don't get to choose which Continent is the largest.
The only "choice" involved here is whether or not you, as a religious person, send your kid to public school or teach them at home.
If you send them to public school, they are going to get an education based on the science. They can then use that to go on to a job in medicine.
If you teach them at home, they aren't going to have a solid grasp of biology. They can still go on to get a job, but it won't be in medicine, it will be fixing cars or something.
Now, we need car mechanics, don't get me wrong. If that's the most you think your child is capable of achieving, by all means teach them Creationism.
However, if you think your child MIGHT want a job which has something to do with any field even related to science, they need to understand science.
We, as a country, are falling behind the rest of the world because people want to choose their religious claims over the scientific facts. Two thousand years of praying to Jesus didn't put a man on the moon. Science did.
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That statement has so many errors in it it boggles the mind.
Humans ARE apes.
Evolution is more "proven" than gravity.
You claim that evolution is "ridiculous" and in it's place you offer magic. You need to look up "ridiculous" in the dictionary.
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Believe what you want, just don't deny children an education.
Also, the entire concept of Satan is inconsistent with your religion. How could there be a Satan if God is the one and only true power? How could there be a hell, if God is all love and forgiveness? What would be the purpose of eternal torture? What loving God would allow endless suffering with no end goal at all?
Completely invalid theology.
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Why is it that for 2000 years you Christians have been threatening "Judgement is coming!"?
First of all, after you've been wrong 2000X in a row, you gotta stop and ask yourself what you're doing.
Second, if you HONESTLY believed that judgement was coming, would you own a computer? Would you own a house?
If you HONESTLY believed, why wouldn't you sell everything you own, go to Africa and help the needy 24/7?
THAT is what I would do if I HONESTLY thought that a Jewish Wizard was going to come down and kill everyone and then only reward those that proved themselves to be worthy.
The Bible is quite clear on wealth. You may not have Romney money, but I guarentee you, you are extremely rich compared to the children living in garbage dumps in the 3rd world.
So, put up or shut up. Do you REALLY believe?
RIDICULOUS, all you did was argue back your OPINION and your BELIEFS, you didn't prove anything whatsoever, nor did you disprove a single thing i said.

face it, when it comes to God it's simply that you believe your you do not.

and as of today 2012 nearly every single "missig link" fossil has been DEBUNKED as hoaxes and wishful thinking, just like the retarded bigfoot sightings.

1- bigfoot may exist, but NOTHING yet has proven it;

2- evolution of ape to man may exist, but NOTHING has even yet come close to proving it.

3- i believe in God, you do not. so? i can't force you to believe and i'm not trying to; you don't have any right to try and force me nor my kids to -not- believe,

the real question is WHY are you trying to?

it's similar to the gun grabber argument; why are you trying to take someone else's gun away from them? why won't you let them have the freedom to choose to carry one?

again: what is it YOU'RE so AFRAID of here?

you refuse to answer that publicly. i, already know the answer.
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<quoted text> Isaiah 40:45 the earth is a circle that hangs upon nothingness.'' hebrews didnt have a word for sphere, so they had to write down what was revealed to them the best they could. Get over it, the bible doesnt say its flat..thats just atheist misinterperetation out of sure anxiety that they had something on the bible, more reading of what they wanna hear, never coming to truth. Becareful RoNoHo, it maybe you to strip naked and go nuts next time.
Yes, the Bible is "literally true", except when it's not. Of course there are a number of other passages which are NOT related to yours above, which EXPLICITLY RELY on the Earth being flat and at the center of the universe, contrary to scientific reality. I have presented them to you before (can't remember if it was this thread or not) but fundies are required to ignore inconvenient evidence, even if it's from their own Bible. Solution: Easy! The Bible is correct and any time it's not then we'll just say it's a metaphor. GENIUS!

Ain't no such thing as a Biblical literalist.
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leteachbelieveas theychoo wrote:
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RIDICULOUS, all you did was argue back your OPINION and your BELIEFS, you didn't prove anything whatsoever, nor did you disprove a single thing i said.
face it, when it comes to God it's simply that you believe your you do not.
and as of today 2012 nearly every single "missig link" fossil has been DEBUNKED as hoaxes and wishful thinking, just like the retarded bigfoot sightings.
1- bigfoot may exist, but NOTHING yet has proven it;
2- evolution of ape to man may exist, but NOTHING has even yet come close to proving it.
3- i believe in God, you do not. so? i can't force you to believe and i'm not trying to; you don't have any right to try and force me nor my kids to -not- believe,
the real question is WHY are you trying to?
it's similar to the gun grabber argument; why are you trying to take someone else's gun away from them? why won't you let them have the freedom to choose to carry one?
again: what is it YOU'RE so AFRAID of here?
you refuse to answer that publicly. i, already know the answer.
Your claim about transitional fossils is incorrect, and is based only on a desire to ignore established evidence which you find theologically inconvenient. Yes, Bigfoot is silly. But it's not a claim that's relevant to evolution. I will now address your numbered points:

1 - Correct. But a creationist on this other thread thinks he shot it.

2 - Utterly incorrect on your part. I now present 40+ independent pieces of evidence that indisputably point to common ancestry:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

This is NOT a scientific controversy, and the only people who claim otherwise are liars for Jesus and the occasional crank. And if you want more we can also talk about ERV's, but since it's all complicated and stuff with lots of big words, you will prefer to just go the simple route and claim that evolution is wrong because your god is exceedingly limited.

3 - Evolution is not atheism. Lots of Christians accept evolution. Including scientists. You are free to believe whatever you wish and we cannot stop you. But if you don't want your child to learn about science, religious freedom as guaranteed by law enables you to prevent your child learning via a number of options that are available to you. I can explain these options to you if you wish.

As for guns, your laws allow all adults to carry them. Although some may make the argument that the original law was made before firearms were quite as lethal as they are now, and also that some people are too stupid to be allowed guns. Yet the law lets them anyway.
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Nuggin, you have never looked at the evidence. I have never met a criticism of christianity that did not have an answer. I say this boldly because I have looked at many of them - and never found ONE that held any water! No other religion compares to Christianity on the number of historical manuscripts that back up the religion.
There are over 60 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. These weren't the kind that were easily just made up.
The fact that Christianity has thousands of manuscripts to back it up is significant - no other religion has as many (ignoring Judaism). That IS significant. The historical evidence is staggering. No other religion compares.
Yes, I was raised a Christian but I would dump it if I thought it untrue!
Yet you will still be a Christian even though there ARE errors in the Bible. There are some things which can be verified, for example, the existence of Herod. There are many which can't, such as Herod's order to exterminate the newborns, or pretty much all the magical bits. And there are things which are just plain WRONG. Such as the shape of the Earth. Such as a "global flood".

However since you claimed that evolution is false because you are dead*** even though you are still alive enough to type all this, I doubt you will even attempt to examine your position in an objectively critical manner.

***(the inevitable consequence of the VERY silly "thermodynamics argument" that you used on the Cowboy thread)
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There are over 60 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. These weren't the kind that were easily just made up.
Yes, they are, because they're impossible to disprove. How can anyone determine whether or not he road into town on a donkey or not?
They can't.

Every messianic prophecy that WOULD have been historically notable, Jesus failed.

The messiah was supposed to become a king and usher in an era of peace and spread of Judaism. Jesus did none of that. That's the entire reason why Christians had to invent 'the second coming'. Because he didn't do the things he was predicted to do.
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The fact that Christianity has thousands of manuscripts to back it up is significant - no other religion has as many (ignoring Judaism). That IS significant. The historical evidence is staggering. No other religion compares.
Why does it being well-copied make it true?
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God is not ''magic'' there is a science to him, so please stop saying that silly crap.
Doesn't matter what you call it, magic, word of god, divine power, whatever - you're referring to a form of physics that is not constrained by the physical constants of our universe. What's more, those actions are further undetectable by modern scientific methods. Yet you insist we take you seriously anyway despite the fact you have no way of backing it up, since you're a lowly human who is just as bound by the universe's physical limitations as we are.

Ergo, it is indistinguishable from magic.

Don't blame US if YOUR arguments are silly.
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Secondly he allows satan to being because there has to be some sort of divide between good and evil...thats life there just has to be.
IT'S JUST GOTTA BE!!!

Boy, you're convincing.
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Water is a life giver or killer...it just has to be, thats how it is.
It's both. Without it, you die. Take it the wrong way, you die. But this doesn't support your claims. That's just how it is.
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There is so much science in the bible, watch the video..''fortify your faith'' if you dont, i cant help you, im not gonna waste my time typing, ive done it way to many times, a few are in these archives.
Translation: "I can't provide evidence!"
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You wont break my faith
Not interested. Your faith is utterly irrelevant to reality. Reality doesn't care what you think.
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my wife and I studied the flat earth crap
And made up excuses for it so you can pretend the Bible isn't wrong when it's wrong.
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like ive said, both sides have interesting and good facts it them comes down to whos facts you want to believe...gods, or mans.
Except we don't have God's word. We only have man's word, and man telling us what they think God's word is.
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Wanna know what science has done? Made our enviroment toxic, ever heard of RDIC's genetically engineered seeds? You cant buy anything but anymore, they grow once a year and then you must buy more, natural seeds....gods seeds dont do that, they grow as long as you care for them each year...wanna know why they did that to seeds? So you cannot become self sufficient...thank science for giving the powers at be''world control
Science has given you ALL your modern comforts, from cars, medicine, to the computer you're typing on right now. But you won't give it up in exchange for a straw hut and hunting for chickens because you're a dishonest hypocrite.
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who back in the times of christ could have seriously thought there could be a one world order? Impossible back then, as well as a mark to prevent buying or selling....well now we know. RFID tech, you dont do what the tyrannical government tells you, they can and WILL shut that chip off. And I know what you will say,''oh oh dur dur its for medical info..'' yes right now it is...but im 100% sure there will be some upgrades in its future.
Ironic. You oppose one world order and promote the same thing. ALL should come to Christ!
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Repent, dont put faith in man, he only wants power and control to do evil. Put faith in christ, who has both power and control and wants you to come to repentance for good and salvation.
He wants you to repent and stop being dishonest and rejecting the world He created.
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Yes, they are, because they're impossible to disprove. How can anyone determine whether or not he road into town on a donkey or not?
They can't.
No, no, NO! It was a triceratops!

Or maybe a velociraptor.
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Nuggin, you have never looked at the evidence. I have never met a criticism of christianity that did not have an answer. I say this boldly because I have looked at many of them - and never found ONE that held any water! No other religion compares to Christianity on the number of historical manuscripts that back up the religion.
There are over 60 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. These weren't the kind that were easily just made up.
The fact that Christianity has thousands of manuscripts to back it up is significant - no other religion has as many (ignoring Judaism). That IS significant.
Yeah, just as long as you ignore Judaism!

Uh...

(darn)

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Johny wrote:
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Nuggin, you have never looked at the evidence. I have never met a criticism of christianity that did not have an answer. I say this boldly because I have looked at many of them - and never found ONE that held any water! No other religion compares to Christianity on the number of historical manuscripts that back up the religion.
This is WILDLY untrue.

First of all, both Islam and Mormonism have an ABUNDANCE of historical manuscripts supporting their claims. That's without going into things like Buddhism or Confucianism which also have WAY WAY WAY more documentation.

Second, historical manuscripts from AFTER the events in the Bible can't be taken as evidence if they were written in support of the Bible.
There are over 60 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. These weren't the kind that were easily just made up.
The problem here is these "prophecies" that were fulfilled are documented where exactly? By who? And when?

If I am a "supporter" of a religion and I am writing a testament that my followers are going to follow. I can write whatever I want. If I write that you fulfilled some prophecy, does that mean that you actually did?
The fact that Christianity has thousands of manuscripts to back it up is significant - no other religion has as many (ignoring Judaism). That IS significant. The historical evidence is staggering. No other religion compares.
Again, Islam far outpaces Christianity in this regard. There are people alive today who are the literal descendants of the Prophet.

I don't mean the way that the Kings of Europe CLAIMED to be the descendants. I mean people who can LITERALLY show you the family tree.

If you want to go with the "who has more paperwork" game, then there are a number of religions which have a much clearer paper trail.
Yes, I was raised a Christian but I would dump it if I thought it untrue!
You misunderstand. You believe it is true BECAUSE you were raised Christian. You wouldn't change because you thought it was untrue because you will never think that it is untrue because of how you were raised.

Which is EXACTLY the same what that a Buddhist feels, or a Hindu, or a Muslim, or a Seik, or a Mormon, or you name it.

Each of these groups were raised by parents who taught them a particular religion which those people think is true with as much or more conviction than you have for your religion.

Yet, you can't all be right.

And so far, your evidence doesn't amount to much in comparison.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you haven't proved that EVERYONE ELSE is wrong.

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and as of today 2012 nearly every single "missig link" fossil has been DEBUNKED as hoaxes and wishful thinking, just like the retarded bigfoot sightings.
1- bigfoot may exist, but NOTHING yet has proven it;
2- evolution of ape to man may exist, but NOTHING has even yet come close to proving it.
This just indicates that you didn't study very hard in school.

The evidence in support of evolution is so overwhelming that it is an act of either profound ignorance or profound dishonestly to deny it.

This claim that every single fossil which has ever been found is a fake is insane.
3- i believe in God, you do not. so? i can't force you to believe and i'm not trying to; you don't have any right to try and force me nor my kids to -not- believe,
Who said anything about forcing you to believe or not believe. I could give a crap what you believe or not. I could give a crap what your kids believe.

However, if MY tax dollars is going to education YOUR children, then YOUR children are going to meet a specific standard in their education and that standard is scientific reality.

If YOU _believe_ that there is no number between 6 and 8, we don't CHANGE all of math for you.

If YOU _believe_ that vowels aren't needed to spell words, we don't CHANGE all of English for you.

We aren't going to change ALL of Biology for you simply because you don't _believe_ that fossils are real.
the real question is WHY are you trying to?
Because, like it or not, I'm going to have to live in a world with your children. And their children. And their children.

And I'd prefer to live in a world with people who are educated and helpful, rather than people I have to financially support because they are backwards hillybillies who think "education is for suckers".
it's similar to the gun grabber argument; why are you trying to take someone else's gun away from them? why won't you let them have the freedom to choose to carry one?
again: what is it YOU'RE so AFRAID of here?
I want you to ask the people of Aurora what they are afraid of when it comes to letting just anyone have a gun.

No one is trying to take a gun away from a responsible mature sane adult. What they want to do is take away the MACHINE GUN from the LUNATIC who is going to kill a dozen people in a movie theater.

The real question here is WHY AREN'T YOU trying to prevent a crazy person from having a machine gun??!??!?!

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Have you every read the book, "Evidence that demands a verdict" by Josh McDowell or his other book "Evidence for Christianity". Off the top of my memory I will name a few evidences:
- There are too many old testament predictions of Jesus that came true to deny that Jesus was the Messiah - God coming in flesh.
Using the buy-bull to prove the buy-bull.
Circular reasoning.
Next.
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- There are many cities, peoples, and customs presented in the Bible that the skeptics have criticized only to find the Bible to be true. Many years there was no record of David but low and behold they found a sign with the inscription - The City of David.
- Archaeologists have used the Bible as a guide to excavate cities.
I'll skip over the fact you didn't give a single actual example. In any case, I can find an England, a London, and even a Baker St. That doesn't mean the Sherlock Holmes stories are history.
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- The Bible is a book that has the most evidence for it from a textual criticism point of view. We can be most confident that Jesus lived and walked on earth and said the things written down in it.
There are people who disagree, to the point of saying there isn't even a man behind the myth of Jesus.
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- There are millions of people like myself who will attest to the fact they have a relation with God and pray and talk to Him.
I could go on and on.
And there are millions of Muslims who would say the same thing. Heck, some would even blow themselves up for their god. Does that mean Allah is real? Using your "logic" it would.

Let's put Jesus' words to the test OK?
"And whatever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." John 14:13

God, I ask in Jesus' name that you move Mt. Everest to AZ by 2:10 my time today.

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leteachbelieveas theychoo wrote:
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RIDICULOUS, all you did was argue back your OPINION and your BELIEFS, you didn't prove anything whatsoever, nor did you disprove a single thing i said.
face it, when it comes to God it's simply that you believe your you do not.
and as of today 2012 nearly every single "missig link" fossil has been DEBUNKED as hoaxes and wishful thinking, just like the retarded bigfoot sightings.
1- bigfoot may exist, but NOTHING yet has proven it;
2- evolution of ape to man may exist, but NOTHING has even yet come close to proving it.
3- i believe in God, you do not. so? i can't force you to believe and i'm not trying to; you don't have any right to try and force me nor my kids to -not- believe,
the real question is WHY are you trying to?
it's similar to the gun grabber argument; why are you trying to take someone else's gun away from them? why won't you let them have the freedom to choose to carry one?
again: what is it YOU'RE so AFRAID of here?
you refuse to answer that publicly. i, already know the answer.
I'm afraid of ignorance, and people imposing their Bronze Age superstitions on others.
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Doesn't matter what you call it, magic, word of god, divine power, whatever - you're referring to a form of physics that is not constrained by the physical constants of our universe. What's more, those actions are further undetectable by modern scientific methods. Yet you insist we take you seriously anyway despite the fact you have no way of backing it up, since you're a lowly human who is just as bound by the universe's physical limitations as we are.
Ergo, it is indistinguishable from magic.
Don't blame US if YOUR arguments are silly.
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IT'S JUST GOTTA BE!!!
Boy, you're convincing.
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It's both. Without it, you die. Take it the wrong way, you die. But this doesn't support your claims. That's just how it is.
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Translation: "I can't provide evidence!"
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Not interested. Your faith is utterly irrelevant to reality. Reality doesn't care what you think.
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And made up excuses for it so you can pretend the Bible isn't wrong when it's wrong.
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Except we don't have God's word. We only have man's word, and man telling us what they think God's word is.
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Science has given you ALL your modern comforts, from cars, medicine, to the computer you're typing on right now. But you won't give it up in exchange for a straw hut and hunting for chickens because you're a dishonest hypocrite.
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Ironic. You oppose one world order and promote the same thing. ALL should come to Christ!
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He wants you to repent and stop being dishonest and rejecting the world He created.
arent you just the perfect specimen of a human...call me things when you dont even know me, such hate anger and fear, pray it helps.
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Using the buy-bull to prove the buy-bull.
Circular reasoning.
Next.
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I'll skip over the fact you didn't give a single actual example. In any case, I can find an England, a London, and even a Baker St. That doesn't mean the Sherlock Holmes stories are history.
Next.
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There are people who disagree, to the point of saying there isn't even a man behind the myth of Jesus.
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And there are millions of Muslims who would say the same thing. Heck, some would even blow themselves up for their god. Does that mean Allah is real? Using your "logic" it would.
Let's put Jesus' words to the test OK?
"And whatever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." John 14:13
God, I ask in Jesus' name that you move Mt. Everest to AZ by 2:10 my time today.
satan said to jesus,'' if thou art the son of god throw yourself off the mountain, surely he will send his angels to catch you.'' jesus replied,''donot tempt thy lord thy god.'' So because god wont displace a mountain for you hes not real? Lemme guess, you pray for selfish things like money and when god dont deliver then its all just false? Mrs or Mr Rose, i advise you repent of your spirit of lies and doubt, before it destroys you.

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<quoted text> satan said to jesus,'' if thou art the son of god throw yourself off the mountain, surely he will send his angels to catch you.'' jesus replied,''donot tempt thy lord thy god.'' So because god wont displace a mountain for you hes not real? Lemme guess, you pray for selfish things like money and when god dont deliver then its all just false? Mrs or Mr Rose, i advise you repent of your spirit of lies and doubt, before it destroys you.
Jesus didn't place conditions on his promise, other than you ask in his name.

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Lemme guess, you pray for selfish things like money and when god dont deliver then its all just false?
Let me guess, you pray for things which are so non-specific that it can not be determined whether or not they happened.

If you pray to "God" to "give you strength", how is that different than praying to a wheelbarrow to "give you strength"?

In the end, either you have decided you can or can't do whatever if is you decide you can or can't do. A Jewish Wizard or a magic talking wheelbarrow has nothing to do with it.

Think for a second about prayer.

You are suggesting that the will of God is changeable. That you can influence the outcome of events by asking God to do something FOR YOU. And that YOUR opinion on how things should be is more important than the opinion of someone else who is also praying for a different outcome.

Its ridiculous.

If prayer was a functional reality, then the children of religious people would not die from cancer at the same rate as the children of non-religious people.

Your entire congregation praying for the health and well-being of little Timmy doesn't change the outcome any more than little Sally's parents going to a witch doctor and having him slaughter a chicken.

That should tell you something
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Johny wrote:
- Archaeologists have used the Bible as a guide to excavate cities.
And archaeologists have used Homer's the Iliad to excavate cities, most prominently, Troy.

So, according to YOUR "logic", this proves that Zeus, Hera, Athena, Aphrodite, Ares, etc. are all REAL as well.
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Revelations wrote:
<quoted text> satan said to jesus,'' if thou art the son of god throw yourself off the mountain, surely he will send his angels to catch you.'' jesus replied,''donot tempt thy lord thy god.'' So because god wont displace a mountain for you hes not real? Lemme guess, you pray for selfish things like money and when god dont deliver then its all just false? Mrs or Mr Rose, i advise you repent of your spirit of lies and doubt, before it destroys you.
ha-Satan is a fictional character in a bronze age, goat herder FAIRY TALE.

Further, everyone who has ever dealt with "fundamental christian creationists" KNOWS who the LIARS are. You "fundamental christian creationists" are the biggest liars around.

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