Bill Nye warns: Creation views threaten US science

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In this Feb. 7, 2012, file photo, President Barack Obama shakes hands with Bill Nye during an event in the East Room of the White House in Washington.

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MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#189 Oct 5, 2012
Revelations wrote:
<quoted text> arent you just the perfect specimen of a human...call me things when you dont even know me, such hate anger and fear, pray it helps.
Better than pretty much all of the "fundamentalist christians" that post online ... always so eager to condemn people they don't even know to eternal torture.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#190 Oct 5, 2012
MIDutch wrote:
<quoted text>
ha-Satan is a fictional character in a bronze age, goat herder FAIRY TALE.
Further, everyone who has ever dealt with "fundamental christian creationists" KNOWS who the LIARS are. You "fundamental christian creationists" are the biggest liars around.
I consider most creationist believers to be scientifically illiterate, hopelessly brainwashed and lacking in the ability to think beyond the mythology of the bible.
It may not be their fault , and it may be beyond their ability to reason it out that they are using faulty logic.
The only hope is that they can educate themselves beyond the foolish convictions that sway their minds to the ideological motives of their puppet masters.
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#191 Oct 5, 2012
Benghazi was Godless. So was Obama's trip to Vegas the very next day. It's hard to believe in God with Obama around.
Revelations

United States

#192 Oct 5, 2012
MIDutch wrote:
<quoted text>
Better than pretty much all of the "fundamentalist christians" that post online ... always so eager to condemn people they don't even know to eternal torture.
Arrogant and predictable....we dont condemn you, you condemn yourself, we are here to preach salvation through christ. But ok, you are who you are so im done wasting time, my words are for fellow christians and those that seek christ.
Revelations

United States

#193 Oct 5, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
Benghazi was Godless. So was Obama's trip to Vegas the very next day. It's hard to believe in God with Obama around.
dont let worldy people get you down, stay strong....they love evil
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#194 Oct 5, 2012
Bill Nye the propaganda guy is a gubmint news channel employee.

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Everett, WA

#195 Oct 5, 2012
Revelations wrote:
<quoted text> Arrogant and predictable....we dont condemn you, you condemn yourself, we are here to preach salvation through christ. But ok, you are who you are so im done wasting time, my words are for fellow christians and those that seek christ.
What happens when we can show that many things claimed to be the truth in your Bible are false? Both in the New and Old Testaments.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#196 Oct 5, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
Bill Nye the propaganda guy is a gubmint news channel employee.
LOL you are joking right?
Crap you have to be joking.......

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Valley Village, CA

#197 Oct 6, 2012
Revelations wrote:
<quoted text> dont let worldy people get you down, stay strong....they love evil
It's statements like this that just prove it's worthless to try and communicate rationally with you people.

You think that just because we object to slavery as being unethical it makes us evil, while you hold to your Bible which endorses slavery wholeheartedly.

Think about that.

This is supposed to be a book handed down from a divine and morally good creator, yet the book clearly endorses slavery, murdering non-believers, murdering children, and rape.

That's A LOT of things for a perfect "good" being to get wrong.

Who exactly is the one backing evil here?
Johny

League City, TX

#198 Oct 6, 2012
Nuggin,
Here is my response to your post.

Slavery
First you have to define slavery for there were different kinds in the Bible. The better kind was the safety net where people could indenture themselves out if they became absolutely destitute or it served their purpose to learn a trade. The master was required to care for the "slaves" and charges could be brought on the "master" if abuses occurred. It was never a perfect system for humankind are never perfect - sometimes abuses did occur. If we compare it with our system where we just hand out money to people, we can see our "safety net" has some real problems. Economically it is not sustainable because it is a form of slavery which leads to dependence and mushrooms as more and more people become enslaved. Here of course I do not want to imply that everybody is a moocher just because they have to take unemployment for a while - today many hardworking people are on it not because they want to but because of the economic mess we are in. More and more spending without restraint will lead to us all being in slavery. While I would not want to move our safety net for society to be an indentured servant system, I cannot say that it is morally wrong if a country would want to do this. I would endorse putting some requirements of work on people getting welfare.

The second kind of slavery was for punishment. God determined that the societies were so bad that he had Israel put people into slavery of hard work. Our system of punishment throws people into prison where they wrot yet at the same time we have to pay for it with more taxes. A better system would be to have them work so less burden is put on society to pay the huge costs because of THIER crimes.

I would say that America's experience with slavery was wrong for a number of reasons which I will not go into here.

There were times when God had Israel wipe out a city of people because they were so morally corrupt. God made that decision at that time. Today, God works through governments to make that decision - i.e. death penalty. We as Christians don't have a right to kill people, today. The Bible has never endorsed rape. It often tells what happened but it never endorses it. It is a crime.

So God is not the monster you try to make him out to be. When you read the Bible you learn how holy and good he is!
Johny

League City, TX

#199 Oct 6, 2012
I forgot to say that God holds Governments accountable if they abuse their power in some fashion. This is an important point.
ohhh

Madison, WV

#200 Oct 6, 2012
Revelations wrote:
P.S. Poor or good sources in matter of opinion
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/ TBSJRCND83RJ8QJ3I/post20

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#201 Oct 6, 2012
Johny wrote:
Nuggin,
Here is my response to your post.
Slavery
First you have to define slavery for there were different kinds in the Bible. The better kind was the safety net where people could indenture themselves out if they became absolutely destitute or it served their purpose to learn a trade. The master was required to care for the "slaves" and charges could be brought on the "master" if abuses occurred. It was never a perfect system for humankind are never perfect - sometimes abuses did occur. If we compare it with our system where we just hand out money to people, we can see our "safety net" has some real problems. Economically it is not sustainable because it is a form of slavery which leads to dependence and mushrooms as more and more people become enslaved. Here of course I do not want to imply that everybody is a moocher just because they have to take unemployment for a while - today many hardworking people are on it not because they want to but because of the economic mess we are in. More and more spending without restraint will lead to us all being in slavery. While I would not want to move our safety net for society to be an indentured servant system, I cannot say that it is morally wrong if a country would want to do this. I would endorse putting some requirements of work on people getting welfare.
The second kind of slavery was for punishment. God determined that the societies were so bad that he had Israel put people into slavery of hard work. Our system of punishment throws people into prison where they wrot yet at the same time we have to pay for it with more taxes. A better system would be to have them work so less burden is put on society to pay the huge costs because of THIER crimes.
I would say that America's experience with slavery was wrong for a number of reasons which I will not go into here.
There were times when God had Israel wipe out a city of people because they were so morally corrupt. God made that decision at that time. Today, God works through governments to make that decision - i.e. death penalty. We as Christians don't have a right to kill people, today. The Bible has never endorsed rape. It often tells what happened but it never endorses it. It is a crime.
So God is not the monster you try to make him out to be. When you read the Bible you learn how holy and good he is!
There is a fallacious and derogatory statement in your story.

"God determined"

Now show us how you derived at this statement God determined.
Did god appoint you his/her/it's spokesperson?
Or is this just what "you determined"?
Hint you can't use the bible to prove the bible.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#202 Oct 6, 2012
Johny wrote:
I forgot to say that God holds Governments accountable if they abuse their power in some fashion. This is an important point.


Yes and does god have a website telling the governments the rules and punishment of failure to comply?

I forgot to say just how idiotic your suggestion is.
This is an important point!

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Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#203 Oct 6, 2012
Johny wrote:
Nuggin,
Here is my response to your post.
Slavery
First you have to define slavery for there were different kinds in the Bible.
Slavery is slavery. It's immoral under all conditions. The Bible promotes slavery where people are captured in battle, it promotes selling your brothers and sisters into slavery. NONE of that is excusable under the guidance of a moral entity.
The master was required to care for the "slaves" and charges could be brought on the "master" if abuses occurred.
Actually, that's the OPPOSITE of what it says in the Bible.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You can beat your slaves all you like so long as you don't kill them.
It was never a perfect system for humankind are never perfect - sometimes abuses did occur.
This is a book alleged to be instructions from an all knowing, all powerful, good being. It shouldn't exist in this book in ANY form under that claim.

So, either god is NOT all knowing or is NOT good or the book isn't from God.

Which is it?
I would endorse putting some requirements of work on people getting welfare.
Also NOT what the Bible tells you. go on, look up what Jesus said about the poor.
The second kind of slavery was for punishment. God determined that the societies were so bad that he had Israel put people into slavery of hard work.
That is not the actions of a loving caring and good being. That's the actions of a vindictive and childish being.

I disagree with you, does that mean I can murder you an enslave your children?
There were times when God had Israel wipe out a city of people because they were so morally corrupt.
Actually, God's orders were for the people of Israel to go into a town and if even ONE person there was a different religion, they should MURDER everyone (even the Jews) in the town, kill all the LIVESTOCK (because obviously the goat that belongs to one Jew is guilty if a guy on the other side of town happens to be Greek), burn the town and everything in it and salt the Earth so that nothing grows there again.

THAT is not the guidance of a loving god.
Today, God works through governments to make that decision - i.e. death penalty.
The death penalty is worthless. No Christians should support it in any form. It serves no purpose and the Bible strictly forbids you taking revenge.
The Bible has never endorsed rape. It often tells what happened but it never endorses it. It is a crime.
" If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

So, if you rape a girl you then have to make her marry you so you can rape her at will.

Yeah, YOU are the one being punished there, not her.
So God is not the monster you try to make him out to be. When you read the Bible you learn how holy and good he is!
Did God bring the plagues on Egypt? How is that not monstrous?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#204 Oct 8, 2012
Revelations wrote:
<quoted text> arent you just the perfect specimen of a human...call me things when you dont even know me, such hate anger and fear, pray it helps.
You're right, I don't know you. I only know from what you post here. However nothing I referred to you was inaccurate. I didn't call you a dishonest hypocrite to be insulting, I called you a dishonest hypocrite because that is what your posts displayed. That's not my fault.

But I accept that you concede the debate.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#205 Oct 8, 2012
Revelations wrote:
<quoted text> Arrogant and predictable....we dont condemn you, you condemn yourself, we are here to preach salvation through christ. But ok, you are who you are so im done wasting time, my words are for fellow christians and those that seek christ.
Ah, so then you admit to spamming. Preaching is spam.

You are welcome to your religious opinions. But they are worth nothing more than that.

You are in the evolution forum. We only care about what you can back up with objectively verifiable scientific evidence. Since you have none there is no reason to take you seriously.

This is the part where you threaten us with eternal damnation and call US "evil".
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#206 Oct 8, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
Benghazi was Godless. So was Obama's trip to Vegas the very next day. It's hard to believe in God with Obama around.
Why do you hate kittens?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#207 Oct 8, 2012
Revelations wrote:
<quoted text> dont let worldy people get you down, stay strong....they love evil
Hey, HE'S the one who hates kittens!
Johny

League City, TX

#208 Oct 8, 2012
Nuggin,
Thanks for the response.[Part 1]
Who are you to say what is immoral or moral? Do you not think that it is silly for you a mere mortal to dictate to God, the Creator of the universe, what is right or wrong. Does not God have the right to tell us his standards (Luk. 16:15, Rom 9:20,21)? God-haters always fall into this trap where they think they have the mental capacity and moral authority to judge God (Eph. 4:17,18). The fall of Adam and Eve brought all mankind into sin – sin being anything that violates his standard (Rom. 5:12). Each generation validates this with sinful lives that do not meet Gods Law (Rom. 3:23, Is. 64:6). But God is perfect and He has every right to destroy us all (Deut. 32:4,Rom. 1:32). He cannot tolerate sin and in His justice there must be judgment against sin (Ps. 5:4; Ps. 37:28; Col. 3:6,7). God in his grace and mercy sent His son, Jesus, to live a perfect life and to suffer our penalty for sin, if we will call on Him to take away our sin (Rom. 5:8-10, I Cor. 15:3-6, John 14:6). When we acknowledge and confess our sin God who is merciful will forgive us our sin (I John 1:9). God has called his people who will turn from sin and live for God (Rom. 8:30). We become part of His church and live holy lives for God, though we are not perfect we grow more like God as we mature. Our true hope is when God returns and we come home to heaven where we will live in perfection with new bodies in peace with God for eternity (Rev. 21:1-8, I Cor. 15:50-57).

In the Old Testament God worked through His people the Jews in a theocracy, unlike today (Ex. 19:8,9;Mat. 22:21; Rom. 13:1). God directly spoke to his people through his prophets and they were to follow His every word. The Children of Israel had gone into slavery in Egypt and God brought them out by mighty works (Ps. 105, Ex. 4-14). He had established a land that He would give to them. The people of the land were corrupt and God wanted them destroyed. For example, they would sacrifice their children to their god Molech, which God abhorred and were sexually immoral - adultery, fornication, homosexuality, and bestiality. God said to His people Israel (Lev. 18: 24-30):

“Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations which were before you. For whoever commits any of these abominations, the person who commits them shall be cut off from among their people. Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the Lord your God.”

God was offended by the wicked people and had Israel destroy many of them. Again, I should remind you that God has a right to destroy us all for our sin and rebellion to God, and it is His mercy to allow us to live (Gen. 6:5-7,Rom. 3:23, Rom. 6:23, Matt. 5:48).[Part 1]

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