Schools should teach other "origin" theories

There are 20 comments on the Aug 15, 2009, Alamogordo Daily News story titled Schools should teach other "origin" theories. In it, Alamogordo Daily News reports that:

I would like for our public schools to teach both of the scientific theories about the origins of mankind.

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Lars

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#1 Aug 16, 2009
Of course all scientific theories on this subject should be tought. at the moment there is only one: the Theory of Evolution.

Simply because ID is a "theory" (using the non-scientific meaning of the word) and it's about something science also covers doesn't make it a "scientific theory".

If the ID proponents formulate a scientific hypothesis and have it go through the scientific process with peer review etc. of course it can be tought as science, but they are a long way from this and iot appears no progress is being made (maybe this is why they spend all the time on political issues instead).

We should not grant special favious to ID. Let them do the work we require of other scientist before we teach their ideas.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#2 Aug 16, 2009
Where Mr. Sayen makes his mistake is in thinking there are TWO theories in science of the origin of mankind.

Neither creationism nor its illegitimate child ID are scientific theories. Creationism (aka creation science) was shown to be just religion back in the Edwards v. Aguillard decision mentioned in the article. The Dover case a few years ago made it clear that ID was no better.
DanK

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Aug 16, 2009
Let's also teach the "sin" theory of gravity, the "phlogiston" theory of combustion, the "caloric" theory of thermodynamics, the eye-beam theory of vision, and the "humours" theory of medicine, and of course the Bible based theories of flat-Earth geography and geocentric astronomy.

After all, we wouldn't to only teach those ideas that have been proven correct, would we?

Since: Dec 06

Urbana, Illinois

#4 Aug 16, 2009
DanK wrote:
Let's also teach the "sin" theory of gravity, the "phlogiston" theory of combustion, the "caloric" theory of thermodynamics, the eye-beam theory of vision, and the "humours" theory of medicine, and of course the Bible based theories of flat-Earth geography and geocentric astronomy.
After all, we wouldn't to only teach those ideas that have been proven correct, would we?
No, no, no! We teach the DEMON theory of medicine!

The others sound fine... but don't forget the "ether"!
John Pieret

White Plains, NY

#5 Aug 16, 2009
The problem is that there are no other scientific theories suitable for teaching in public schools, a fact admitted by the Discovery Institute, the political "think tank" that is the primary proponent of ID. Phillip Johnson, a lawyer and the "father of ID" is even more blunt, saying:

"I also don’t think that there is really a theory of intelligent design at the present time to propose as a comparable alternative to the Darwinian theory, which is, whatever errors it might contain, a fully worked out scheme. There is no intelligent design theory that’s comparable."

sciencereview.berkeley.edu/articles.php...

Evolution is science but ID is not. There are many people, such as Francis Collins, the newly appointed head of the National Institutes of Science, who think that evolution can be compatible with religion. If any religion cannot be reconciled with science, so much the worse for that religion. But the government is not prevented from teaching science because some religions don't like it.
Old Timer

Hood, CA

#6 Aug 16, 2009
Does any one wonder that from earliest man existence to the 1800's we had created very little in earth shattering changes, Yes we sailed the oceans, discovered new lands, created wars against new people, religion was driven by control of all groups encountered, Yet looking back from the 1800's to now, there have been earth shattering inventions and life altering discovering, Anyone aged 90-100 have proburly seen the most changes ever on this planet, during that time we invented, air planes, cars, tv, phones, space travel, computers, vacinnes, cloning, and so many other life changes, Now where did this ability come from, Did we evolve to smart people during this time, Did Aliens creatures give us smarter intelligence, Did the creator of all flick a switch, Who knows, Does it matter, Are we headed to our own extinction based on our advancement in science, medicine, and religious dilution of worship.
sadsam33

Alamogordo, NM

#7 Aug 16, 2009
I remember having issues when I was in school with the way they taught how the world was formed. I am a christian I do not be in evolution and I told my teacher and the some of the staff that I refused to participate in that kind of "science" I just got NA in the class and still gradutated high school. I think that it is very wrong that only one way of teaching is allowed and those that are Christians or beleive in something else have to sit through while it is being shoved down their throats. People complain about other people shoving their religion down their throats, but why is it ok, to shove evolution down everyone's throat. I have a right not to listen to it and not to participate in any discussion about it, and that is what I did when I was in school.

Since: Oct 08

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#8 Aug 16, 2009
They should teach the cabbage theory! It would fit well with the rest of the bs.
sadsam33

Alamogordo, NM

#9 Aug 16, 2009
And another question, if Darwin's theroies were correct, why have we not evolved into something better? If evolution is correct, humans should have evolved into something more by now.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#10 Aug 16, 2009
sadsam33 wrote:
I remember having issues when I was in school with the way they taught how the world was formed. I am a christian I do not be in evolution and I told my teacher and the some of the staff that I refused to participate in that kind of "science" I just got NA in the class and still gradutated high school. I think that it is very wrong that only one way of teaching is allowed and those that are Christians or beleive in something else have to sit through while it is being shoved down their throats. People complain about other people shoving their religion down their throats, but why is it ok, to shove evolution down everyone's throat. I have a right not to listen to it and not to participate in any discussion about it, and that is what I did when I was in school.
Considering the fact that you had religion 'shoved down your throat', it is to the school's credit that they respected your parents belief that you have a right to be raised an ignorant person.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#11 Aug 16, 2009
sadsam33 wrote:
And another question, if Darwin's theroies were correct, why have we not evolved into something better? If evolution is correct, humans should have evolved into something more by now.
Humans have evolved into something more.

Evlutionary theory does not imply that we have evolved into anything 'better'.

ps: Since you kept your fingers in your ears through high school, your opinions are of no value.
bobxxxx

Pompano Beach, FL

#12 Aug 16, 2009
John Sayen of Alamogordo, please keep your total ignorance of science out of our schools. People like you, who want to destroy America's science education with your childish belief in supernatural magic, are no better than Muslim terrorists. Also, if you can't respect our constitution (google Establishment Clause) then get the heck out of my country now.

"Intelligent design" are just code words for magic, and there's nothing scientific about magic. Intelligent design, also known as magical-creation, is not taught in biology classes because it's childish, insane, stupid, and false.

Your ridiculous claim, "just teaching evolution is anti-religious", is as stupid as saying "just teaching arithmetic is anti-religious".

John Sayen, you're a scientifically-illiterate god-soaked hick, and biology teachers don't want and don't need your advice.

For readers who are not brain-dead like John Sayen, I recommend this book which was published in 2009: "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne. This biologist explains thousands of different evidences for evolution. It would be impossible to read this book and still be an evolution-denier, unless of course a person is an idiot like John Sayen.
bobxxxx

Pompano Beach, FL

#13 Aug 16, 2009
Some god-soaked hick wrote "I am a christian I do not be in evolution and I told my teacher and the some of the staff that I refused to participate in that kind of "science" I just got NA in the class and still gradutated high school."

You should have received a "F" grade. Being a Christian is no excuse for getting out of learning science. If your school was doing its job you would have never been allowed to graduate.

By the way, why are you so afraid of modern biology? You should be ashamed of yourself for being too cowardly to study what every biologist knows is a fact. Stinking pathetic coward. A disgrace to our country.
bobxxxx

Pompano Beach, FL

#14 Aug 16, 2009
Another reader wrote "ps: Since you kept your fingers in your ears through high school, your opinions are of no value."

I agree. People who don't know what they're talking about because they're too lazy or too cowardly to educate themselves should just shut up.
mike

Alamogordo, NM

#15 Aug 16, 2009
The "theory" of intelligent design has NO scientific basis at all while Darwin's theory of natural selection does!

If the MYTH of intelligent design is going to be taught at all in our public schools perhaps it should be taught in the literature curriculum as fable/fiction?

Creationism has NEVER been tested or verified by the scientific method and we have no empirical evidence whatsoever to even SUGGEST that it is even any kind of scientific "theory" so why teach it as science?
mike

Alamogordo, NM

#16 Aug 16, 2009
bobxxxx wrote:
John Sayen of Alamogordo, please keep your total ignorance of science out of our schools. People like you, who want to destroy America's science education with your childish belief in supernatural magic, are no better than Muslim terrorists. Also, if you can't respect our constitution (google Establishment Clause) then get the heck out of my country now.
"Intelligent design" are just code words for magic, and there's nothing scientific about magic. Intelligent design, also known as magical-creation, is not taught in biology classes because it's childish, insane, stupid, and false.
Your ridiculous claim, "just teaching evolution is anti-religious", is as stupid as saying "just teaching arithmetic is anti-religious".
John Sayen, you're a scientifically-illiterate god-soaked hick, and biology teachers don't want and don't need your advice.
For readers who are not brain-dead like John Sayen, I recommend this book which was published in 2009: "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne. This biologist explains thousands of different evidences for evolution. It would be impossible to read this book and still be an evolution-denier, unless of course a person is an idiot like John Sayen.
"The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins is a book I would also recommend Mr. Sayen read!
mike

Alamogordo, NM

#17 Aug 16, 2009
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Humans have evolved into something more.
Evlutionary theory does not imply that we have evolved into anything 'better'.
ps: Since you kept your fingers in your ears through high school, your opinions are of no value.
I don't know......The question of whether we've evolved into something "better" is kind of silly but whether or not we've evolved into something "more" I think goes without saying.

I think we are a bit "more" nowdays than the muck floating around in the primordial seas that we began as don't you?

“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

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#18 Aug 16, 2009
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Where Mr. Sayen makes his mistake is in thinking there are TWO theories in science of the origin of mankind.
Of course there aren't TWO. There are MANY. This is my personal favorite:

http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

This letter, of course, was one of the factors which helped the Kansas State Board of Education back off of their plan to offer an "alternative theory". The author of the letter made this comment: "I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence."

Mr. Sayen needs to Wiki the FSM and familiarize himself with THAT theory.
Old Timer

Hood, CA

#19 Aug 16, 2009
Yep, we have evolved, Look at how we deal with each other. What will be left in 100 years.
sadsam33

Alamogordo, NM

#20 Aug 16, 2009
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Considering the fact that you had religion 'shoved down your throat', it is to the school's credit that they respected your parents belief that you have a right to be raised an ignorant person.
So according to you, because I choose not to listen to the lies they taught in science class, I am ignorant? And according to you because I don't believe in evolution, I am ignornant? Well that is you opinion, and it really does not matter to me what you think of me. You don't know me or anything about me.

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