Atheism and homosexuality

Dec 5, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Conservapedia

Creationist scientists and creationist assert that the theory of evolution cannot account for the origin of gender and sexual reproduction.http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/136http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/0928ep5.asp [[Creation Ministries International]] states: "Homosexual acts go against [[God]]'s original [[Intelligent design ... (more)

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Last reply before I go to bed. I won't vote either for it or against it for again it is not up to me whether what they do is right or wrong or to tell them what to do to be happy.
I have a hard time believing you.

But once again logic has failed you. By not supporting it you are at the very least allowing others to try to stop them from marrying the one that they love.

Why can't you answer tough questions honestly? Is it because your bias will show through?

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Vat-grown muscle lacks the environmental stimulus to grow properly.
Epigenetics, here-- the genes are not properly unlocked/locked by the missing environmental cues.
And hormone cues.
It all boils back to: how does a blastolyst/zygote begin to differentiate into specific cellular bodies? Why do certain cells--at this stage they are all alike-- begin to form the head structure, and on the opposite side, the tail begins to form?
They started with muscle cells.
The situation/environment is what does it.
My hypothetical robo-cow would **be** a cow, apart from the head, hooves and other useless bits.
Think: "robo cop" except it's a cow....
... there would be flesh there-- muscles moving the steel legs, being muscles, growing as they ought to.
They should taste exactly like a "natural" cow...
.... in theory.
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Yeah, totally. Especially if you exercised it and kept its hormone system intact.

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And to explain my last post a little further. If it takes a vote of the people to let someone do what they want, then in reality they don't have the freedom to do what they want. They are allowed it by the people that let them do that by that vote, which again as I stated it is not up to me to tell people what to do to be happy, that is their choice. To each his own. Good night all and have a great one.
You don't need to explain anything - you're a mentally ill air.

All your opinions can be safely discarded until you've proven the god you're here to lie to us about.

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There is no simple, single cause for sexual orientation that has been conclusively demonstrated, but scientists theorize that it is caused by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientati...
Your link agrees with what we have said so far: people are **born** gay, they cannot be **raised** to become gay.

If your bigoted claim were **true**?

NO STRAIGHT PARENT COULD RAISE A GAY KID--EVER.

Is this the case?

Nope...

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And hormone cues.
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They started with muscle cells.
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Yeah, totally. Especially if you exercised it and kept its hormone system intact.
Yes-- you **would** need that, wouldn't you?

Farmers have been experimenting with hormone control for thousands of years--by making steers out of bulls, they create a meat-animal that tastes better than a bull would, by removing the testosterone-producing glands.

So clearly, robo-cow would require only female hormone glands.

And I suppose the pituitary gland, which is in the brain, would need to be left intact too.

Hmmmm... robo cow isn't as simple as all **that**...

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And to explain my last post a little further. If it takes a vote of the people to let someone do what they want, then in reality they don't have the freedom to do what they want. They are allowed it by the people that let them do that by that vote, which again as I stated it is not up to me to tell people what to do to be happy, that is their choice. To each his own. Good night all and have a great one.
Of course, your assertion is not correct.
"One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 1943

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Of course, your assertion is not correct.
"One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 1943
Indeed.

The right to worship (or not) as one pleases is also not subject to vote--at least, according to the constitution.

Alas, in reality? Not so much...
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Don't blame you! I do love driving to that track though. Unless my wife is in the car. Then we listen to something else!
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Yes... weirdness for sure... I did not watch the whole thing, either.
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Like you did in 39 States, right?
No, they sued our state so we had to support the universal precedent of marriage as one man and one woman with law. If they hadn't have sued, we'd never need to write law that says marriage is male/female. It was always precedent; there's no copy of any law older than the 21st century, that defines marriage as same sex.

People have always rejected segregation when it comes to marriage. Same sex marriage is just another name for gender segregation marriage, separatism and disunity.

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I can't see how you can object to others doing what you are doing.
I have no objection to what others are doing; that's DNF's game, not mine. I object to rewriting marriage law for everyone, so a father could marry his only son to avoid estate tax. I'm glad Edith Windsor got a lower tax rate for the fortune she received from Thea Spyer's estate. I don't object to lower taxes for same sex couples, just redefining marriage and family for everyone; that's my only gripe.

That and administration that refuses to enforce or defend laws they select. Then, they commit malfeasance in office. Barack Obama ran on marriage as one man and one woman because marriage is sacred. Then, he changed his mind. It's like the secular extremist's model of faith.

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If what they do is wrong then so is what you did.
Some of those 39 states won the right to the obvious male/female marriage paradigm by popular referendum. None of the 13 states and D.C. held referendum before rewriting marriage law; the best you can say, their democratic referendum upheld the legislative process. California's voters passed referendum making marriage one man and one woman twice. An activist and improper court finding followed.

In Egypt, the Army overturns elections and in America it's the courts. I kind of respect the Egyptians; they know where they stand without being sued.

Keep marriage one man and one woman because you don't want to be sued next.

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Lawyers and atheists and homosexuals...

That's what same sex marriage is all about.

Make the lawyers pay when they lose. Loser pays. The idea isn't fun or good to sue your neighbor. Ask Ms. Barronelle Stutzman, please have mercy on this poor woman and fight somebody your own size.

Sane sex marriage is like suing a stupid Christian businesswoman because she chose to act on faith. She's not charged with a crime. Shame on the left.
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Sane you are not.
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Sane sex marriage is like suing a stupid Christian businesswoman because she chose to act on faith. She's not charged with a crime. Shame on the left.

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Lawyers and atheists and homosexuals...
That's what same sex marriage is all about.
Make the lawyers pay when they lose. Loser pays. The idea isn't fun or good to sue your neighbor. Ask Ms. Barronelle Stutzman, please have mercy on this poor woman and fight somebody your own size.
Sane sex marriage is like suing a stupid Christian businesswoman because she chose to act on faith. She's not charged with a crime. Shame on the left.
I'm not sure I disagree with you.

If she chooses to be a hateful, bigoted homophobe (like you) because her 'All-loving God' ALSO hates homos, I think it should be her right to choose not to take their business.

It would be (IMHO) a very bad business decision on her part to do so.

The gay community has **LOTS** of money, and excellent communication skills, so she'll likely lose out on a crap-load of money from not only the gay community, but also gay-friendly straight people.

But a lawsuit?

Overkill.

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Really. There is no "hmmm".
" http://www.apa.org/news/press/response/gay-pa... ;
Studies have already proven that raising kids in front of gay parents do not make them gay.
Any more than raising a **gay** kid in front of **straight** parents turns them ... straight.
Duuuuuhhhhh....
I did not write the article in the link I provided. But even scientists say it has something to do with environmental factors. "scientists theorize that it is caused by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences,with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment."

Or is the one time you are going to say science can be wrong?

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YOu are trying to claim that gay parents make gay kids. But thats as stupid as saying a boys only school will make gay kids - which is simply not true.
As usual creationists, first make a conclusion and THEN try to make reality fit their ignorant made up opinions..
I did not write the article in the link I provided. But even scientists say it has something to do with environmental factors. "scientists theorize that it is caused by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences,with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment."

Or is the onetime you are going to say science can be wrong?

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I did not write the article in the link I provided. But even scientists say it has something to do with environmental factors. "scientists theorize that it is caused by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences,with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment."
Or is the one time you are going to say science can be wrong?
I don't know if you ever claimed it, but others seem to think that you have expanded "environmental factors" to the home that they are brought up in. It seems that there is not any real support for that part of your claim, that is if you made it.

Environmental in this case seems to refer to the environment of the uterus. Once you are out of the oven it seems accepted that you are done.

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Sane sex marriage is like suing a stupid Christian businesswoman because she chose to act on faith. She's not charged with a crime. Shame on the left.
Brian, you are dumber than a rock.
She violated the law.
She IS being charged with violating the law.
She is also being sued civilly.
And ultimately she will lose because she violated the laws of Washington state.

Grow a brain.

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I don't know if you ever claimed it, but others seem to think that you have expanded "environmental factors" to the home that they are brought up in. It seems that there is not any real support for that part of your claim, that is if you made it.
Environmental in this case seems to refer to the environment of the uterus. Once you are out of the oven it seems accepted that you are done.
I just posted the article with the link. Again they can do as they choose or were born to be, it is not up to me. I have several friends that are homosexual. They have asked me if it bothers me and I laugh and say its your life so do what makes you happy but I prefer not to see it. They just laugh back and understand.

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I'm not sure I disagree with you.
That's remarkable.

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If she chooses to be a hateful, bigoted homophobe (like you) because her 'All-loving God' ALSO hates homos, I think it should be her right to choose not to take their business.
That's incorrect, these were longtime customers, she knew about their sexual orientation from the business they did with her shop. She chose not to add her artistry to their wedding; does she have no freedom at all?

The issue is harm, she offered referrals. The issue is freedom.

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It would be (IMHO) a very bad business decision on her part to do so.
Or a very courageous moral decision to stand for right and wrong.

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The gay community has **LOTS** of money, and excellent communication skills, so she'll likely lose out on a crap-load of money from not only the gay community, but also gay-friendly straight people. But a lawsuit? Overkill.
If it was just a suit, yes that would be overkill. But the Washington State Attorney General got into the act and sued her too.

If you don't keep marriage one man and one woman they could sue you next.

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That's incorrect, these were longtime customers, she knew about their sexual orientation from the business they did with her shop. She chose not to add her artistry to their wedding; does she have no freedom at all?
The issue is harm, she offered referrals. The issue is freedom.
No, the issue is discrimination. She refused service based upon the sexual orientation of the client, and said as much to the client. in doing so, she violated Washington State law which prevents discrimination due to a number of criteria, including sexual orientation.

Providing a service for a gay couple in no way impacts this woman's free speech, free exercise of religion, or any other right.

It's a business, not a mouthpiece for ones personal political or religious views.

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<quoted text>That's remarkable.
If I agreed with you on the basis of your reasoning, I'd be very frightened. As-is, I have different rationale for my political philosophy apart from bigotry and a desire to assert my bigotry towards others.
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<quoted text>That's incorrect, these were longtime customers, she knew about their sexual orientation from the business they did with her shop. She chose not to add her artistry to their wedding; does she have no freedom at all?
The issue is harm, she offered referrals. The issue is freedom.
I'm approaching this from a rational Libertarian position:(Per Wiki): "emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

What she did was (IMHO) reprehensible both on a personal and business level. She has every right (again IMHO), to deny service to whomever she pleases. Even "THOSE PEOPLE". But she may have to accept the consequenses of her "moral right" to affect the bottom line of her business. Her customers and potential customers will have to decide for themselves whether or not to deny giving their business to her. She made a dumbass move, business-wise. Her competitors will mop up.
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<quoted text>Or a very courageous moral decision to stand for right and wrong.
Yes, perhaps Westboro Baptist Church can send her some business to make up for the inevitable boycott she'll get from this move. Remember the Chick-fil-a fiasco? Bet the CEO doesnt make THAT squawk about gay people again real soon. And Chick-fil-a can probably withstand a boycott much easier than a flower shop.
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<quoted text>If it was just a suit, yes that would be overkill. But the Washington State Attorney General got into the act and sued her too.
Even though PHILOSOPHICALLY I do not agree with this law, it *IS* the law, and she may have to suffer the consequenses of that, too. I'd be surprised if she's in business this time next year
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<quoted text>If you don't keep marriage one man and one woman they could sue you next.
Wow.

That's just an ignorant statement. VERY ignorant.

Whether or not same-sex marriage is found to be legal, anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone else for any reason. Sexual identity has no bearing whatsoever.

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