Atheism and homosexuality

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Since: Nov 11

Columbus

#549 Jul 21, 2012
Yes, we know Sandusky is a pedo.

Yes, we know Penn State covered up...

The pedo ring should be exposed and broken up.

...but this has what to do with the topic thread - Atheism and Homosexuality?

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Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#551 Jul 21, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Nuggin claims above, half the country wants same sex marriage, this is disproved with every same sex marriage referendum. Less than 3% of the population is homosexual, creating new special marriage rights for such a small minority might lead to other minorities, using the same reasons wanting the same rights polygamists marriage equality, bestialists marriage equality, necrophiliac's marriage equality and even the single person's solo marriage equality.
Half the country was born male, the other half female. Marriage is the great uniter, the affirmative action that holds civilization together.
You claim gay marriage will lead to more prison rape. Can you explain how that would work?

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Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#552 Jul 21, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>So Obama coming out for gay marriage is REALLY charging his base. So they'll forget Vice President Biden voted to enact DOMA into law. Good luck:)
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<quoted text>Most people do that as they age, they call it wisdom. Maybe Obama changed his mind to the INCORRECT side. I think he never believed in husband-wife marriage because of his broken home; he didn't change his mind, he calculated when it was politically appropriate to appear to do so.
Remember how Biden came out for same sex marriage a week before Obama came out?
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<quoted text>That's why we'll win, gender diverse marriage gives more freedom than gender segregated marriage. A whole generation's worth.
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<quoted text>With the birth of the welfare state, when it became the Government's responsibility to take care of people. When single mothers could have the government fulfill the role of husband, things got worse.
Suffrage has changed politics, but it didn't change economics. Broke means no more money, you live at the whim of the lender.
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<quoted text>The differences between blacks and whites are unimportant and marginal while the differences between male and female are important for the survival of the human race and permeate language, law and every other facet of society.
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<quoted text>Their are biblical arguments against slavery.
A lie. The Buy-bull even says you can beat your slave to the point they almost die! It says you can sell your daughter as a sex slave.
Brian_G wrote:
Why no ancient arguments for same sex marriage?
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<quoted text>There are billions of people in the world who protect male/female marriage for their children.
Rose's Law:
Morons with no real argument scream, "But what about the children!?"
Gay marriage doesn't harm children in any way.
Brian_G wrote:
So, N. claims our augments aren't valid but his are; neat.
I'm not arguing against gay marriage, gays marry now since there is
no orientation test for a marriage license.
Don't know what you get out of playing that word game, but when two people of the same sex get married, it's called a gay marriage.
Brian_G wrote:
They just don't get to change marriage laws for everyone. If they want to go to their church and exchange vows, my best wishes. I just don't think the taxpayer should pay for it, like they might do for some married husband/wife couples.
Heck, the taxpayers shouldn't pay for any of it, we can't afford it.
Why do you homophobes say "taxpayer" as if gay people don't pay taxes?
Brian_G wrote:
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<quoted text>Effect on my marriage? What is this, the egotist's validity test?
Your ex-wife didn't leave you because of gay marriage, she left you because you are a vile piece of crap.
Brian_G wrote:
More like what it's doing to our children, selling them into indentured servitude over bloated ersatz equality goals, intrusive new government laws around marriage and wasteful spending on gender segregated spouse dependent beneficiaries.
You want proof of harm?
Yeah. Put up or shut up.

Heth

Walsall, UK

#553 Jul 22, 2012
I heard a theory not too long ago that homosexuality in nature is nature's way of controlling population. I don't know where that argument came from, but I imagine it wouldn't take too long to find some kind of study on it. I think it might have been discovery news.

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#554 Jul 22, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
...Don't know what you get out of playing that word game, but when two people of the same sex get married, it's called a gay marriage.
If a homosexual marries, like Meredith Baxter or Oscar Wilde; that's gay marriage. There is no law against a gay marrying a lesbian.

When the definition of marriage is changed so that two men or two women can marry, that's same sex marriage. One of the feature's of marriage is gender diversity, same sex marriage spoils that beauty with gender segregation. If you believe in the ultimate affirmative action of male/female marriage; keep the faith and keep the law defining marriage as one man and one woman.

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
Why do you homophobes say "taxpayer" as if gay people don't pay taxes?
I've never said gays don't pay taxes, but that doesn't reduce the cost of same sex marriage one penny. Why can't same sex marriage supporters understand the costs of their bizarre new laws?

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
Your ex-wife didn't leave you because of gay marriage, she left you because you are a vile piece of crap...
How many times must I ask Rose not to mention my wife? This just proves, many same sex marriage supporters are incapable of civil discourse. We must keep marriage husband/wife at least until they learn some manners.

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Since: Nov 11

Columbus

#555 Jul 22, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>

...One of the feature's of marriage is gender diversity, same sex marriage spoils that beauty with gender segregation....
You essentially just said that to you, SSM is not as pretty.

Whether you think SSM is pretty or not does makes no difference to how courts would decide, or to the couples involved in those marriages.
Skeptic

Bury, UK

#556 Jul 22, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If a homosexual marries, like Meredith Baxter or Oscar Wilde; that's gay marriage. There is no law against a gay marrying a lesbian.
When the definition of marriage is changed so that two men or two women can marry, that's same sex marriage. One of the feature's of marriage is gender diversity, same sex marriage spoils that beauty with gender segregation. If you believe in the ultimate affirmative action of male/female marriage; keep the faith and keep the law defining marriage as one man and one woman.
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<quoted text>I've never said gays don't pay taxes, but that doesn't reduce the cost of same sex marriage one penny. Why can't same sex marriage supporters understand the costs of their bizarre new laws?
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<quoted text>How many times must I ask Rose not to mention my wife? This just proves, many same sex marriage supporters are incapable of civil discourse. We must keep marriage husband/wife at least until they learn some manners.
Lol a theist with a failed marriage is telling gays they shouldn't marry!

Classic idiot theist.

“Why does my ignorance”

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Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#557 Jul 22, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If a homosexual marries, like Meredith Baxter or Oscar Wilde; that's gay marriage. There is no law against a gay marrying a lesbian.
When the definition of marriage is changed so that two men or two women can marry, that's same sex marriage. One of the feature's of marriage is gender diversity, same sex marriage spoils that beauty with gender segregation. If you believe in the ultimate affirmative action of male/female marriage; keep the faith and keep the law defining marriage as one man and one woman.
I don't believe in it. I think it's quite silly of you to restrict marriage thusly, especially given that you haven't presented any good evidence-based reasons for your odd stance on marriage.
I've never said gays don't pay taxes, but that doesn't reduce the cost of same sex marriage one penny. Why can't same sex marriage supporters understand the costs of their bizarre new laws?
What cost?

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#558 Jul 22, 2012
Nytebreid wrote:
You essentially just said that to you, SSM is not as pretty.
That's one reason of many. There are billions of people with reasons to keep marriage male/female. Everybody has their own opinion.

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Nytebreid wrote:
Whether you think SSM is pretty or not does makes no difference to how courts would decide, or to the couples involved in those marriages.
I want the people to decide, not the courts. I believe in Democracy, do you?

Many leftist prefer Democracy only when it gives them their goal. Like the liberals promoting free trade then acting shocked at outsourcing. They don't understand consequences; that's why I say keep marriage between one man and one woman.

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#559 Jul 22, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
I don't believe in it. I think it's quite silly of you to restrict marriage thusly, especially given that you haven't presented any good evidence-based reasons for your odd stance on marriage.
My "odd stance" is called Conservatism. Law, public will and precedent all seem to want restricting marriage to one man and one woman. The state of Utah wasn't created until they ended polygamy, what further proof do you want?

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
What cost?
Taxpayer benefits to same sex spouse dependent beneficiaries, Viagra and infertility treatments for same sex public schoolteacher marriage. I favor DOMA, cutting taxpayer benefits for same sex dependents.

Fair is fair, Vice President Biden voted to enact DOMA, he's running in November.

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#561 Jul 22, 2012
Skeptic wrote:
Lol a theist with a failed marriage is telling gays they shouldn't marry! Classic idiot theist.
The Ad Hominem Skeptic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Droll.

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Since: Mar 11

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#562 Jul 22, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>My "odd stance" is called Conservatism. Law, public will and precedent all seem to want restricting marriage to one man and one woman. The state of Utah wasn't created until they ended polygamy, what further proof do you want?
In America, states are moving toward legalizing same sex marriage. The number of states that do will continue to increase.
Taxpayer benefits to same sex spouse dependent beneficiaries, Viagra and infertility treatments for same sex public schoolteacher marriage. I favor DOMA, cutting taxpayer benefits for same sex dependents.
Fair is fair, Vice President Biden voted to enact DOMA, he's running in November.
Are these benefits given to heterosexual marriages?

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Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#564 Jul 22, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If a homosexual marries, like Meredith Baxter or Oscar Wilde; that's gay marriage. There is no law against a gay marrying a lesbian.
When the definition of marriage is changed so that two men or two women can marry, that's same sex marriage. One of the feature's of marriage is gender diversity, same sex marriage spoils that beauty with gender segregation. If you believe in the ultimate affirmative action of male/female marriage; keep the faith and keep the law defining marriage as one man and one woman.
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<quoted text>I've never said gays don't pay taxes, but that doesn't reduce the cost of same sex marriage one penny. Why can't same sex marriage supporters understand the costs of their bizarre new laws?
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<quoted text>How many times must I ask Rose not to mention my wife? This just proves, many same sex marriage supporters are incapable of civil discourse. We must keep marriage husband/wife at least until they learn some manners.
"When the definition of marriage is changed so that two men or two women can marry, that's same sex marriage. One of the feature's of marriage is gender diversity, same sex marriage spoils that beauty with gender segregation."

I suppose alot of people felt the same way in regards to whites getting married to blacks.
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"I've never said gays don't pay taxes, but that doesn't reduce the cost of same sex marriage one penny. Why can't same sex marriage supporters understand the costs of their bizarre new laws?"
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Based on the above, I assume you would support the taxing of churches.
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If two tax paying Americans, same sex, consenting adults, want to get married,and there is a church that will perform the service, on what grounds do you object?

Majority does NOT always rule. If you are a conservative, and you believe in state rights, I can tell you that at one time the vast majority of some states would have voted to keep slavery, or the limited civil rights of blacks. How did that work out? If you tell me that slavery is a violation of an idividuales' civil rights, than that is the same argument that I am going to use on you concerning gay marriage. Here are the facts... Americans...adults....consenti ng. What right does anyone have to violate their civil right to get married?

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Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#567 Jul 22, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>My "odd stance" is called Conservatism. Law, public will and precedent all seem to want restricting marriage to one man and one woman.
That's not Conservatism.

A TRUE Conservative wants Government to stay out of things where Government is neither needed nor wanted.

A TRUE Conservative believes that Government has NO place trying to dictate who can be in relationships with whom.
Taxpayer benefits to same sex spouse dependent beneficiaries, Viagra and infertility treatments for same sex public schoolteacher marriage. I favor DOMA, cutting taxpayer benefits for same sex dependents.
Why would the 6 year old American Citizen who was adopted by a gay couple be less deserving than the 6 year old American Citizen who was adopted by the straight couple?

What makes one child LESS American than the other child?
Fair is fair, Vice President Biden voted to enact DOMA, he's running in November.
You are aware that unconstitutional laws tend to get thrown out, right? It doesn't matter who voted for them.

DOMA is dead as soon as it gets to the Supreme Court because THERE'S NO VALID DEFENSE.

Read the prop 8 trial transcripts. It's a BLOOD BATH for your side of this argument. Even conservative commentators from FOX NEWS are pointing out that the Republicans are on the _WRONG_ side of this issue.

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Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#568 Jul 22, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The Ad Hominem Skeptic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Droll.
Actually, it wasn't an ad hominem attack.

"You are ugly therefore you are wrong about this" would be ad hominem.

"You failed at marriage therefore don't think others should be allowed to marry" isn't ad hominem. It's pointing out that you are biased and your opinion is based primarily on your own personal failures and not on any sort of reasoning or evidence (which you've made abundantly clear with your posts).

A woman who has tried and failed to get pregnant dozens of times may have an opinion about not wanting others to have abortions, but the reasoning behind that opinion is always going to be suspect.

Similarly, the fact that you resent not having come out of the closet yourself is probably the driving cause for your attacking homosexuals now. Also not an Ad Hom, by the way. Just speculation.

Though, I'd pin that at 75% chance of being right.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#569 Jul 22, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
One of the feature's of marriage is gender diversity, same sex marriage spoils that beauty with gender segregation.
Same sex marriage does not reduce the number of men or women that exist in the country, therefore it does NOTHING to remove diversity.

There is no beauty in segregation. Especially unwanted segregation.

And same sex marriage does NOTHING to change the status quo.

Here's a clue: Gay couples which aren't married are already living together - allowing them to marry literally changes NOTHING in regard to straight couples.
I've never said gays don't pay taxes, but that doesn't reduce the cost of same sex marriage one penny. Why can't same sex marriage supporters understand the costs of their bizarre new laws?
What "bizarre new laws"? There's no NEW law. Striking down an old law does not create a new law, it simply removes the blockade which is unconstitutional.

Second, there is no new costs. There NOTHING that gay couples will get which is not already available to straight couples.

You yourself are pushing for marriages between gay men and gay women - how would that not ALSO cost money?

Clearly you haven't thought this through AT ALL.

Further, since when is the cost of equal rights EVER been an issue in determining if people deserve equal rights?
How many times must I ask Rose not to mention my wife?
You are trying to argue that Rose should not be allowed to ever have a wife.

If you hold that position after having beaten your wife, or lost our wife because you were sexually incompetent, or because you were impossible to live with, or maybe you just got fat, then your opinion that OTHERS should not be allowed to have access to something you screwed up is worthless.

If you can't maintain a marriage, your opinion on other people's ability or right to try is meaningless.

So, give us the details. Why did she leave you? Did she find out you're gay?
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#572 Jul 22, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose alot of people felt the same way in regards to whites getting married to blacks.
Many still do.

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#573 Jul 22, 2012
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it wasn't an ad hominem attack.
.... the fact that you resent not having come out of the closet yourself is probably the driving cause for your attacking homosexuals now. Also not an Ad Hom, by the way. Just speculation.
Though, I'd pin that at 75% chance of being right.
That's like claiming that someone who is anti-communism is jealous of those who are communists and wishes he could proclaim his true self to the world. Yer an idiot.

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Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#574 Jul 22, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>That's like claiming that someone who is anti-communism is jealous of those who are communists and wishes he could proclaim his true self to the world. Yer an idiot.
Well, since no one is actually born "communist" and there isn't an entire collection of "self hating communists who are still in the closet about their communism", then no. It's not like that at all.

Congrats on finding a 3rd way to screw up the your/you're problem though. Bravo!

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#575 Jul 22, 2012
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, since no one is actually born "communist" and there isn't an entire collection of "self hating communists who are still in the closet about their communism", then no. It's not like that at all.
Congrats on finding a 3rd way to screw up the your/you're problem though. Bravo!
Nobody is born gay, you idiot.

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