http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki /Lazarus_taxon Since you guys love Wikipedia so much.., Check out some of these millions of year old species out and tell me why no evolution has taken place...
Evolution proceeds at diferent rates for different animals. If an animal is well suited for an environment, and there is little selection pressure against it, it may remain static for a long time. Darwin himself remarked about it in his book.
Without proof that 1+1 equals 2, science could not build space ships and more and yet science claims that there is no proof in science. Must our schools listen and teach what the scientist morons claim! Our science teachers have to be morons. Let's give em a raise. Hahahahahaha
DO you know that mathematics has proof?
And that science and mathematics are not exactly same?
Please learn the basics before you embarass yourselves more.
<quoted text> Well you don't know the difference between your a$$ and a hole in the ground so what do you care?
And that is supposed to be a counter argument to the point that maths and science are different? Will you admit that you made a mistake when you came up with that silly "1+1=2 has no proof in science" argument? I don't expect you to admit mistakes. People like you don't.
<quoted text> I am not disparaging evolution per se. It is the best story that man has come up with on his own for our origins. It just needs to be recognized that it evolves a lot of speculation into the past that is just that speculation. They have no more scientific evidence of those events than the poor creationists do.
It is the only story (evolution) that makes logical sense and does not involve magik.
Much, much more likely that evolution is true, than creationism.
Man has been writing since about 3,100+- BC. In all that time the only recorded instances of magik being used, in other than fictional stories, was in religious works (that I know of).
There have never been any magik verified. Ancient peoples believed in magik even up to the supposed time of Christ. The story of Moses asking the Pharaoh to let his people go has the court magicians performing real magik if you believe the story...this is probably a minor proof (many other proofs exist) that the story is man-made and not godly inspired.
<quoted text> You then wrote the above. You say they are not claiming anything. Yea, right. sure there are some morons around here somewhere, that will believe you.
Speculation is not claiming something to be true, they have never said this is true, it is merely where their research has lead them so far. All of physical reality is made up electrically charged particles. It is in this way that it is like an electronic simulation. As I said earlier it is very real.
And by the way, the entire field of quantum physics and mechanics does not have anyone's agenda, they are merely doing science. I thank you for letting me take the pulse of some of those in the evolution debate.
When one of you morons can show proof that you can separate proof from evidence, fact and truth and you quit your childishness, perhaps you can go onto something else. Oops, all you have is the same old cut and paste over and over. The only time you offer any difference, is when you have new to call names, as you hump each others legs for support.
If you think god is real, prove it to us. Until you've done that, you haven't accomplished anything by being here.
That went right past ya huh. Oh well, you weren't even considered, so it's ok, just shut your eyes real tight and keep saying, la la la la la la la.
Y'all keep wanting to prove how smart you are and that your group is always right, because you have science on your side, suggesting that the scientific method is so much smarter and by extension, so here is a real chance for your clique.
However, it seems that not even one of you can answer.
There might be one truly smart person in 3 million, because of the utter stupidity created by a fully bribed and corrupt congress, press and law making body, which doesn't want smart people. There could be literally thousands of very smart people in 1 million, if taught properly.
How many scientists are in the entire world and how many are actually recognized? Polly wanna cracker?
There might be one truly smart person in 3 million, because of the utter stupidity created by a fully bribed and corrupt congress, press and law making body, which doesn't want smart people. There could be literally thousands of very smart people in 1 million, if taught properly. How many scientists are in the entire world and how many are actually recognized? Polly wanna cracker?
<quoted text> I wouldn't agree that it was "thought possible" (at least not by most physicists). I would wager that most physicists fully expected a flaw in the experiment. At the very least, many more physicists found an experimental error to be far more likely than the idea of faster-than-light travel, which would have required a drastic change to many basic ideas of physics.
That it would. And science is still open to the possibility should new info be found in the future. Even QM is already seen that way to many. It requires throwing out classical physics assumptions (causality), to the point where fundies around here will bite their own tongues off before accepting that idea. After all, something's always gotta have a cause, right?
Drew Smith wrote:
The very idea of "supernatural" is that it is "beyond" natural. As such, how would it follow the scientific method? It's essentially meaningless.
Oh, I agree. There's no real meaningful definitions, hence they're currently useless to science. But that's the fundie's problem.
Speaking of credibility the YECers have as much cred as the evolutionist/natural methodology does. Neither side was there when the beginning happened and therefore, neither side can be truly scientific in their explanation of beginnings.
There's a reason the phrase "How do YOU know? Where you THERE?!?" is considered a facepalm in court.
RLW 56 wrote:
Both have some evidence, from which they extrapolate what they think happened. The Yecers take the view that God revealed to them how it happened through the Bible. There is actually some scientific evidence which they choose to interpret in support of their cause.
Young Earthers have zero evidence, period.
RLW 56 wrote:
The evolutionist view, is based on presuppositions of materialism (always a closed universe material explanation, nothing else will be considered) and uniformitarianism (what we see today has to be the way it always was).
Uniformitarianism and materialism are not assumed, only observed. YEC's assume magic can make all different in the past and magic can fix all problems that arise from that assumption.
RLW 56 wrote:
Both look at the same evidence through two different sets of glasses and reach different conclusions.
Except only one uses the scientific method. It ain't the creationists.
RLW 56 wrote:
The scientific method involves something being observable, repeatable, and verifiable. While "micro-evolution" (mutation within a species), "macro-evolution" has never been nor never wil be observed (if true takes too long). Therefore, most of that is called evolution is merely speculation. Go to the scientific sights and see how often they use terms like "appears," "seems," "it must have." These are not scientific fact terms. They are speculations, which is all any of us can do. There is nothing wrong with that, just call it what it is. Don't hide behind the cloak of "science."
Sorry, but "macro" evolution IS observable, repeatable, and verifiable. That is WHY it's accepted by the scientific community. It is only rejected by religious fundies (and the occasional cranks) for non-scientific reasons.
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