Evolution and God. Do explain!

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“Get Extreme or Go Home. ”

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#1 Dec 20, 2013
I see many people on here say they believe in evolution and God. Well folks step right up and tell us all how God fits into your belief of evolution and what role God plays in your beliefs of life and the universe. Don't be shy. I doubt anyone will have the guts to answer.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#2 Dec 20, 2013
Christian Clergy Letter
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"Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#3 Dec 20, 2013
make that "CHRSTIAN CLERGY".

“Get Extreme or Go Home. ”

Since: Nov 13

United States

#4 Dec 20, 2013
What you can't even give your own answer to a simple question?. You have to copy and paste one! Talk about brainwashed!

As I asked. I see on "here" many people believe in evolution and God.

I want your answers on how God fits into your belief of evolution and what role God plays in your beliefs of life and the universe.

If I wanted a copy and paste bot I would have asked for one.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5 Dec 20, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
What you can't even give your own answer to a simple question?. You have to copy and paste one! Talk about brainwashed!
As I asked. I see on "here" many people believe in evolution and God.
I want your answers on how God fits into your belief of evolution and what role God plays in your beliefs of life and the universe.
If I wanted a copy and paste bot I would have asked for one.
Gfy.(shrug)

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#6 Dec 20, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
What you can't even give your own answer to a simple question?. You have to copy and paste one! Talk about brainwashed!
As I asked. I see on "here" many people believe in evolution and God.
I want your answers on how God fits into your belief of evolution and what role God plays in your beliefs of life and the universe.
If I wanted a copy and paste bot I would have asked for one.
I don't know *IF* there is a Supreme Being that plays a part. Perhaps there is, perhaps not. I have no evidence for this Deity, but if HE exists, everything HE left us says that HE used the forces of nature HE created to produce all that we see.

But if there is, what I posted is an example as to how some CHRISTIAN CLERGY sees the whole picture.

Now....a question for YOU.

Given that science has a fairly good outline (but not the details involved) as to the means and time-scales used to produce the universe, and life on earth, what is YOUR belief?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#7 Dec 20, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
What you can't even give your own answer to a simple question?. You have to copy and paste one! Talk about brainwashed!
As I asked. I see on "here" many people believe in evolution and God.
I want your answers on how God fits into your belief of evolution and what role God plays in your beliefs of life and the universe.
If I wanted a copy and paste bot I would have asked for one.
He was being honest. There are not too many Christian evolutionists here. They tend not to feel the need to defend the theory of evolution from their uneducated brothers in faith. Most of us that are defending the theory of evolution here are atheists so it would not be fair or correct for us to explain how people can hold both beliefs.

When I was a Christian I realized as I grew up that certain parts of the Bible were bullshit that no one believed or followed. Once you realize that it is easy to see how certain parts of the Bible could be just myth. The fact that the early writers of the Bible were uneducated does not mean that they were stupid. It is very easy to get a lot of the facts about the world wrong if one is uneducated regardless of how intelligent one is.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#8 Dec 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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He was being honest. There are not too many Christian evolutionists here.
Katydid. Dogen. FossilBob. I'm sure there's one or two others who aren't strictly atheist either.

Doesn't matter though, as they are educated enough to understand the difference between their theological/philosophical positions and science. If this yutz wants to take the fundamentalist atheist route like Skippy, he might be much happier here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/

“Get Extreme or Go Home. ”

Since: Nov 13

United States

#9 Dec 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Most of us that are defending the theory of evolution here are atheists so it would not be fair or correct for us to explain how people can hold both beliefs.
Precisely. Evolution and atheism go hand in hand. Thanks for the verification of that fact.

An honest opinion is ones own answer. I would not think it would be too hard for someone to explain and give their opinion of how they believe in God and evolution both and tell what role God plays in their beliefs of life and the universe. The hard part would be that they are lying about believing in both so they have no answer.

Dude. Just as expected, no answer or input of matter from you.

Kong, Theists is were I stand.

“The strength of science is”

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Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#10 Dec 20, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
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Precisely. Evolution and atheism go hand in hand. Thanks for the verification of that fact.
An honest opinion is ones own answer. I would not think it would be too hard for someone to explain and give their opinion of how they believe in God and evolution both and tell what role God plays in their beliefs of life and the universe. The hard part would be that they are lying about believing in both so they have no answer.
Dude. Just as expected, no answer or input of matter from you.
Kong, Theists is were I stand.
For one, I don't believe in evolution anymore than any scientists believes in it. It is a scientific theory and not a religion. I would ask what you think you will gain by getting people to discuss there beliefs, but from your answer above, I think you just want to express your beliefs. That said, there wouldn't be any point for further discussion. Without any real facts you have drawn the conclusion you want and nothing anyone says is likely to change that.

Unlike reactionary and ignorant fundamentalists, I see no reason a person can't believe in God and accept what we learn about the natural world. If others have a beliefs that are too frail to withstand knowledge, they perhaps need to reconsider them.

Methodist by the way. And that is as far as I care to discuss it. You can read that any way you choose. It matters not at all to me.

“The strength of science is”

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#11 Dec 20, 2013
One further point. With a very few exceptions, I have come to have a great deal of respect for the atheists that frequent this page. They are intelligent, interesting, generally courteous unless attacked, often insightful and not full of anger and hatred. I can't say the same for the fundamentalists that have found their way here.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#12 Dec 20, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
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Precisely. Evolution and atheism go hand in hand. Thanks for the verification of that fact.
An honest opinion is ones own answer. I would not think it would be too hard for someone to explain and give their opinion of how they believe in God and evolution both and tell what role God plays in their beliefs of life and the universe. The hard part would be that they are lying about believing in both so they have no answer.
Dude. Just as expected, no answer or input of matter from you.
Kong, Theists is were I stand.
Yes and no. Most atheists accept the theory of evolution. But then so do most Christians. The percentage of atheists that accept it is higher than the percentage of Christians that accept it.

I was simply pointing out that it was unlikely that you would find a Christian defender of evolution here. They are probably to embarrassed by the idiocy of their brothers in faith.

If you talk to an atheist in the U.S. or the U.K. or Australia the odds are that they started out as Christians. Just as if you could find an open atheist in Saudi Arabia he probably started out as a Muslim.

Still evolution really has nothing to do with religion. You could be almost any religion and accept the obvious fact of evolution.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#13 Dec 20, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>Kong, Theists is were I stand.
I gave you a response from theists.

Several thousand of them, in fact.

The fact is quite a large percentage -- perhaps even most -- theists accept the Theory of Evolution.

"Theistic Evolution" is a term that is often used to describe them, but even this term can refer to a wide spectrum of beliefs that reconcile science and mainstream Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evoluti...

My own answer to you was previously given, and I in turn asked YOU a question:

What is it that YOU believe as to the SPECIFIC order, and timeframe of creation, and of the diversity of life on earth?

I asked YOU a question previously

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#14 Dec 20, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
One further point. With a very few exceptions, I have come to have a great deal of respect for the atheists that frequent this page. They are intelligent, interesting, generally courteous unless attacked, often insightful and not full of anger and hatred. I can't say the same for the fundamentalists that have found their way here.
As an agnostic, I'll consider myself as one of the "atheists" in your comments above -- and thank you.

“Get Extreme or Go Home. ”

Since: Nov 13

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#15 Dec 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes and no. Most atheists accept the theory of evolution. But then so do most Christians. The percentage of atheists that accept it is higher than the percentage of Christians that accept it.
I was simply pointing out that it was unlikely that you would find a Christian defender of evolution here. They are probably to embarrassed by the idiocy of their brothers in faith.
If you talk to an atheist in the U.S. or the U.K. or Australia the odds are that they started out as Christians. Just as if you could find an open atheist in Saudi Arabia he probably started out as a Muslim.
Still evolution really has nothing to do with religion. You could be almost any religion and accept the obvious fact of evolution.
I am not looking for a Christian defender of evolution. I am asking "anyone" that says they believe in God and evolution how that works. What role does God play in their believes of life and the universe? It is a rather simple question and I am just wondering how believing in both evolution and God is possible and what role God plays in their beliefs, in their own opinion. If they believe in both God and evolution they should be comfortable enough to explain how that works. If they are just lying and going with the crowd I then expect no answer.

“Get Extreme or Go Home. ”

Since: Nov 13

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#16 Dec 20, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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I gave you a response from theists.
Several thousand of them, in fact.
The fact is quite a large percentage -- perhaps even most -- theists accept the Theory of Evolution.
"Theistic Evolution" is a term that is often used to describe them, but even this term can refer to a wide spectrum of beliefs that reconcile science and mainstream Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evoluti...
My own answer to you was previously given, and I in turn asked YOU a question:
What is it that YOU believe as to the SPECIFIC order, and timeframe of creation, and of the diversity of life on earth?
I asked YOU a question previously
But you still don't understand. I could careless what all those people say. They are not the ones I converse with on here. I want the opinions and thoughts of how that works from the ones here that say they believe in God and evolution.

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#17 Dec 20, 2013
On God; Let me simply break it down for you.

Christians=Sure there is a God and savior
Theists=There very well maybe could be
Agnostic=I doubt there is, there is no evidence
Atheist=You are kidding right. That is all BS

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#18 Dec 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
On God; Let me simply break it down for you.
Christians=Sure there is a God and savior
Theists=There very well maybe could be
Agnostic=I doubt there is, there is no evidence
Atheist=You are kidding right. That is all BS
While that reply is as stupid to some as it is amusing to others, it is not what I am looking for. Why is it that people can say they believe in both God and evolution but cannot explain why and what role God plays in their beliefs of life and the universe? If they believe in both God and evolution the have to have reasons and opinions on why they believe in both.

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#19 Dec 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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While that reply is as stupid to some as it is amusing to others, it is not what I am looking for. Why is it that people can say they believe in both God and evolution but cannot explain why and what role God plays in their beliefs of life and the universe? If they believe in both God and evolution the have to have reasons and opinions on why they believe in both.
I have been asking the same question for many months. I would like to hear the believers say why they believe and the non-believers say why they don't believe as well. All you get from anyone is the bible says so or science says so. None have an opinion of their own. They either are bible thumpers or science freaks and that is where they stand. Good luck with getting anyone to tell you the truth.

Deist here. I don't know what to believe. So I just go with what I feel is right.

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#20 Dec 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
On God; Let me simply break it down for you.
Christians=Sure there is a God and savior
Theists=There very well maybe could be
Agnostic=I doubt there is, there is no evidence
Atheist=You are kidding right. That is all BS
Subby you are one of the worst ones on here. Always accusing everyone for lying for Jesus. You don't believe in Jesus or God. You think it is all a make believe fairytale because there is no evidence. But yet you support searching life for Et when in the last 1000yrs there is no evidence and in the last 50yrs of exploring space there is no evidence.

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