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wondering

Morris, OK

#696 Aug 5, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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What part of the brain is the part that is not working right? Is it the part of the brain that STORES the memories of past events?
that is still in the study stage.
wondering

Morris, OK

#697 Aug 5, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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What part of the brain is the part that is not working right? Is it the part of the brain that STORES the memories of past events?
i guess you haven't seen the recent studies of pregnant women now been diagnosed with PTSD.
wondering

Morris, OK

#698 Aug 5, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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What part of the brain is the part that is not working right? Is it the part of the brain that STORES the memories of past events?
i guess you haven't seen the recent studies of pregnant women now been diagnosed with PTSD.

let me add to this. PTSD is now being more related to emotions. emotions are more than thought.

The Psychology Of Emotions, Feelings and Thoughts
http://cnx.org/content/m14358/latest/
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#699 Aug 5, 2014
wondering wrote:
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look turdboy. go research it yourself if you don't like the link i posted(at least I gave a link, you did not)
now mental disorders are not caused by thoughts not working they are caused by the brain not working properly(the brain, you know the touchable, seeable, organ made up of several different parts) to process those unheard, unseen thoughts. heII any child could have told you that.
Exactly, glad you see my point.
And now step 2: do you think that mental disorders leave the mind unchanged?
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#700 Aug 5, 2014
wondering wrote:
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i guess you haven't seen the recent studies of pregnant women now been diagnosed with PTSD.
let me add to this. PTSD is now being more related to emotions. emotions are more than thought.
The Psychology Of Emotions, Feelings and Thoughts
http://cnx.org/content/m14358/latest/
Emotions are caused by neurochemicals released by parts of the brain and other organs.
Emotions are also very strongly a physically phenomenon.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#701 Aug 5, 2014
wondering wrote:
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i guess you haven't seen the recent studies of pregnant women now been diagnosed with PTSD.
Here is the neurobiological explanation of PTSD: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3... .

There is NO PTSD when all the biological, physical features describe dthere, would be in (biochemical) balance.
wondering

Morris, OK

#702 Aug 5, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Emotions are caused by neurochemicals released by parts of the brain and other organs.
Emotions are also very strongly a physically phenomenon.
correct emotions involve more than just the mind. a good example of that is love. you hurt in your heart, stomach and other places
wondering

Morris, OK

#703 Aug 5, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Exactly, glad you see my point.
And now step 2: do you think that mental disorders leave the mind unchanged?
what a complete jackdumbass wagon. your point was thoughts/the mind are physical.

as i said "mental disorders are not caused by thoughts not working they are caused by the BRAIN not working properly(the brain, you know the touchable, seeable, organ made up of several different parts) to process those unheard, unseen thoughts. heII any child could have told you that.

note "not caused by thoughts but caused by the brain not working as "I" stated".

you stated "If the mind weren't physical, how do you explain all this" in your long but meaningless post here
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TA0...

you are showing more and more than your brain does not function properly.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#704 Aug 5, 2014
wondering wrote:
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not at all. but you seem to think memory is physical and the brain must have limits on it.
Memory is also physical: when you have low dopamine levels, you have memory problems. When you have low levels of serotonin, you will suffer of memory intrusions.
If you drink a lot of alcohol you gradually will loose the ability to memorize new things. It is called Korsakov Syndrome. the cause is brain damage.
When you suffer of Alzheimer, you gradually loose your short term memory and after that even your middle term memory. The cause is brain damage.

Why do you think that happens? Brain damage > memory loss. You think that memory is not a physical process when dying brain cells cause memory loss?
wondering

Morris, OK

#705 Aug 5, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Here is the neurobiological explanation of PTSD: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3... .
There is NO PTSD when all the biological, physical features describe dthere, would be in (biochemical) balance.
thanks for proving my point. it is not a thought problem. it is a brain not functionally properly problem by chemical dis-order. etc etc. i have already addressed that in short form.
go rattle and tattle about the flud with kab. you feel superior with him.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#706 Aug 5, 2014
wondering wrote:
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correct emotions involve more than just the mind. a good example of that is love. you hurt in your heart, stomach and other places
No, don't change my words.
I said "emotions are caused by neurochemicals released by parts of the brain and other organs."
That implies: emotions are physical phenomena.
Because neurochemicals are physiological features. And physiological features are physical features.

As usual we have to correct your straw man fallacies again, you are word twisting aagain and not answering the point made. The silly word plays start again.
wondering

Morris, OK

#707 Aug 5, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Memory is also physical: when you have low dopamine levels, you have memory problems. When you have low levels of serotonin, you will suffer of memory intrusions.
If you drink a lot of alcohol you gradually will loose the ability to memorize new things. It is called Korsakov Syndrome. the cause is brain damage.
When you suffer of Alzheimer, you gradually loose your short term memory and after that even your middle term memory. The cause is brain damage.
Why do you think that happens? Brain damage > memory loss. You think that memory is not a physical process when dying brain cells cause memory loss?
look jackass. when you have low dopamine levels, that is a deficiency of a physical chemical. do you even know what physical means. you sure as heII don't show you do.

alcohol is again a physical chemical affecting the physical brain, which effects the non-physical thoughts by causing damage to your physical brain. hence again---THE PHYSICAL BRAIN NOT WORKING PROPERLY! how hard is that to understand??
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#708 Aug 5, 2014
wondering wrote:
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what a complete jackdumbass wagon. your point was thoughts/the mind are physical.
as i said "mental disorders are not caused by thoughts not working they are caused by the BRAIN not working properly(the brain, you know the touchable, seeable, organ made up of several different parts) to process those unheard, unseen thoughts. heII any child could have told you that.
note "not caused by thoughts but caused by the brain not working as "I" stated".
you stated "If the mind weren't physical, how do you explain all this" in your long but meaningless post here
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TA0...
you are showing more and more than your brain does not function properly.
Indeed they are caused by the BRAIN not working properly(the brain, you know the touchable, seeable, organ made up of several different parts) to process those unheard, unseen thoughts. heII any child could have told you that. Why are you always repeating me and in the same time arguing the same thing?

Conclusion: mental diseases affect the mind profoundly. Everyone who suffers of it can testify that as well as their kin and peers who suffer as well. These mental diseases indeed are often and to a high extent caused by a deficient brain. That means they have physiological causes. If the mind would have been only psychology, this would not happen. But the mind is physical. Because it is produced by the brain.
wondering

Morris, OK

#709 Aug 5, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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No, don't change my words.
I said "emotions are caused by neurochemicals released by parts of the brain and other organs."
correct emotions involve more than just the mind. as you say the neurochemicals released are also by other organs. is this not what you are saying. it is pretty clear that is what you are saying.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#710 Aug 5, 2014
In Six Days wrote:
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Because it follows if you read the brilliant post
As always dodging and ducking the question.
wondering

Morris, OK

#711 Aug 5, 2014
turdboy i am going to go into town and talk with a class of 8th graders and i can guarantee that they will understand more of everything than you ever will.
go find another link, make another list of questions, post it to someone to try to make your self look smart and i will bust it again as i did the other about the grand canyon.

better yet go talk to kab about the flud that never happened but yet you waste so much time on.
wondering

Morris, OK

#712 Aug 5, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Indeed they are caused by the BRAIN not working properly(the brain, you know the touchable, seeable, organ made up of several different parts) to process those unheard, unseen thoughts. heII any child could have told you that. Why are you always repeating me and in the same time arguing the same thing?
Conclusion: mental diseases affect the mind profoundly. Everyone who suffers of it can testify that as well as their kin and peers who suffer as well. These mental diseases indeed are often and to a high extent caused by a deficient brain. That means they have physiological causes. If the mind would have been only psychology, this would not happen. But the mind is physical. Because it is produced by the brain.
mental is not physical. but poor mentality can lead to physical processes. if one mentally thinks he is sick then he will more than likely become sick. a good example of that is cancer. one can be in decent shape and when he finds out he has cancer, it eats at his mentality and he then becomes weaker and sicker. sort of like the placebo effect. sick people getting better by their non physical thoughts when given sugar instead of medicine.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#713 Aug 5, 2014
wondering wrote:
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The Mind.
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/workbook/cha...
now as i said you can show where some say it is physical.
now on the other hand if you say that thoughts of numbers in the mind are physical then you are also saying that god, which is said to only exist in the mind, then is also physical.
Yes the thought of a god is physical as well.
Like all other ideas it is confined to the human mind.
If all humans would get extinct, there were no thoughts any more.
Because thoughts are produced by brains.
When those brains stop, the thoughts disappear.
Like a computer shut off, all the software loaded into the RAM is gone too.
This also applies to the thoughts about god. they will disappear.
Six Days with his bronze age mythology mind does not grasp the implication and already cries victory like a little child running away in delight with its ice cream. When asked how he jumped to that weird conclusion, he of course dodged it. Like the same child taken away the ice cream and starts to stampede.
wondering

Morris, OK

#714 Aug 5, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Conclusion: mental diseases affect the mind profoundly. Everyone who suffers of it can testify that as well as their kin and peers who suffer as well. These mental diseases indeed are often and to a high extent caused by a deficient brain. That means they have physiological causes. If the mind would have been only psychology, this would not happen. But the mind is physical. Because it is produced by the brain.
they affect the physical brain from processing the non-physical thoughts. how the heII can you not understand that?
wondering

Morris, OK

#716 Aug 5, 2014
it truly amazes me how many people here do not know jackshyt except what they have read it ONE book. hint there are many books with much evidence on all we have talked about. a scientific theory is not based of of "ONE" scientists and your conclusions should not be based off ONE book. i suggest you educate yourself with researching many books before flapping off at the gums and making a fool of yourself. good day

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