Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223384 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119696 Aug 7, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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No, a fundie is someone who places their faith above verified truths of science, or someone who thinks it more important to believe what they believe than to be caring and compassionate.
I have known people who accept the truths that science has discovered, were kind and compassionate, and *also* believed in an all-powerful deity. Such people are not fundies. But anyone who denies the Big Bang or evolution because of their faith *is* a fundie.
If evolution actually existed, I would not have such a problem with it. We have much more evidence for differing kinds from the very beginning of things on earth than we do from very simple single beginnings of life. I will give you that living things change to adapt, but that is not what Darwin was getting at.

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#119697 Aug 7, 2014
bohart wrote:
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There it is! It is a simple question, I asked what you believe , the reason you insult whine and cry is that you are ashamed of the answer.
You have the unmitigated gall to say the universe created itself, there is no scientific evidence ever ! that anything created itself ! none ! yet you believe it! IT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE ,NOTHING ELSE
No you did not ask what I believed, therefore you are lying.

If you consider it a simple question then you answer it... To date I do not believe that you have. Perhaps we can get science to evaluate and peer review your response... then again if you opt for the bronze age god dunitwiv magic ploy, then there is no fame and fortune coming your way

The reason I insult you is because you insulted me. Get over yourself, grow a set or balls like a man and face up to facts that people do not just stand around and let you abuse them, it really does not batter whether you believe your god is on your side or not.

No gall involved, and I do not say the universe created itself, therefore you are lying again, it seems as though you must be a chgristian of little intelegence. What I said was there is NO scientific reason why the universe did not create itself. Just because you are ignorant of science does not mean that I am

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Nave-htm...

Go on, educate yourself, you know it makes sense
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119698 Aug 7, 2014
It is the evolutionists that have become the hanging judges and the juries.

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#119699 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>If evolution actually existed, I would not have such a problem with it. We have much more evidence for differing kinds from the very beginning of things on earth than we do from very simple single beginnings of life. I will give you that living things change to adapt, but that is not what Darwin was getting at.
Well it does exist so you are contradicting yourself.

I have, in the past provided for you several different lines of evidence that evolution exists and it seems that despite the complimentary and irrefutable evidence you still ignore the facts

What you have is unfounded creationist mumbo jumbo based on bronze age camp fire stories that supplement your own sensibilities

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Seffner, FL

#119700 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>If evolution actually existed, I would not have such a problem with it. We have much more evidence for differing kinds from the very beginning of things on earth than we do from very simple single beginnings of life. I will give you that living things change to adapt, but that is not what Darwin was getting at.
Evolution does exist and you DO have a problem with it because it conflicts with your literal interpretation of the bible.

Now even if you god of the bible actually did dictate Genesis, do you really think he would try to explain the Big Bang and the formation of stars and planets along with evolution to people whose common technology was little more than fire, framing and raising sheep and goats???

Or would he tell them a nice bedtime story that they would understand and expect they would figure it out at a much later date?

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#119701 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Before all the case is presented you are trying to dismiss.
What? Is 1600+ years since its canonization not enough time for the Bible and its thumpers to have evidenced its/their veracity without resorting to the compulsive dishonesty as practiced by CARM, AFA, FRC, ICR, DI, et al?

There is no sanity in believing every holy word from Genesis to Revelation represents the divine pinnacle of absolute knowledge - or is even accurate in the mundane. I'll grant that it contains truisms and insights, but it is not the be all and end all of the universe and human existence unless you are willingly or otherwise disconnected from reality.

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Seffner, FL

#119702 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
It is the evolutionists that have become the hanging judges and the juries.
Yes and you're next.

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#119703 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>There are involuntary and necessary agents throughout nature and set limits are indicated and vital. The Creator made heaven and earth to act this way and the Bible tells us why.
This looks like it says something, but then you read it. All you have said here is that the Bible tells you what to think because it says you should listen to what it tells you. This is the only cycle you really follow.
FREE SERVANT

Fairfax, VA

#119704 Aug 7, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Well it does exist so you are contradicting yourself.
I have, in the past provided for you several different lines of evidence that evolution exists and it seems that despite the complimentary and irrefutable evidence you still ignore the facts
What you have is unfounded creationist mumbo jumbo based on bronze age camp fire stories that supplement your own sensibilities
Contrived and misconstrued conclusions as to the real nature of the evidence could be what is happening on your side of the fence.

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#119705 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>If evolution actually existed, I would not have such a problem with it. We have much more evidence for differing kinds from the very beginning of things on earth than we do from very simple single beginnings of life. I will give you that living things change to adapt, but that is not what Darwin was getting at.
Evolution does exist and you have a big problem with it. We have watched you trying to handle your problem with it for some time.

You claim you have evidence about something. You don't really say what that evidence is. You don't say what that evidence means. You don't present this evidence at all.

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#119706 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>If evolution actually existed, I would not have such a problem with it. We have much more evidence for differing kinds from the very beginning of things on earth than we do from very simple single beginnings of life. I will give you that living things change to adapt, but that is not what Darwin was getting at.
To remind you AGAIN, "the very beginning" and evolution are two different subjects.
Evolution does actually exist and that is what you have a problem with. Genesis is the myth.

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Seffner, FL

#119707 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Contrived and misconstrued conclusions as to the real nature of the evidence could be what is happening on your side of the fence.
Sez the guy yammering about SCPID. Yeah, your opinion on evidence and conclusions is SOOOO highly valued.

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arte et marte

#119708 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>If evolution actually existed, I would not have such a problem with it. We have much more evidence for differing kinds from the very beginning of things on earth than we do from very simple single beginnings of life. I will give you that living things change to adapt, but that is not what Darwin was getting at.
LOL, You must be some kind of a comedian or something, I like this.
You just said:

Evolution exists but doesn't exist because Darwin said it does.

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#119709 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Contrived and misconstrued conclusions as to the real nature of the evidence could be what is happening on your side of the fence.
Could be and is are not the same thing. On the other hand, the pseudoscientific claims from the apologist sites are demonstrably false.

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Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#119710 Aug 7, 2014
bohart wrote:
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Explain how the universe is uncaused, how it created itself?
This is the Argument of Universal Causation, which is a tool commonly used by creationists as a "proof" of God, the concept being "If we can prove there is such a first cause, we will have proven there is a God".

OK, let's assume the cause was God. What caused God? Does the Pop theory only apply to God?

Even if there were a first cause, it does not necessarily mean it was a supernatural cause. But it doesn't sound too taxing Bohart, a good start would be to simply prove the Universe was caused.

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#119711 Aug 7, 2014
bohart wrote:
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You are just a damn coward, who is too ashamed of your answer. Did the universe create itself and all life?
Did God create himself?

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Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#119712 Aug 7, 2014
THINK wrote:
All effects have causes. It's a law.
Then how did the first cause come to be?

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Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#119713 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>By fundies, do you mean people who believe in a creator who has all power in heaven and earth? This is our answer to the question of the day. God had the power to produce the outcome we know as the heavens and he achieved this as a result of his commands. The effect is all natural laws.
I like how you have no problem throwing the word Law around.

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#119714 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Contrived and misconstrued conclusions as to the real nature of the evidence could be what is happening on your side of the fence.
Nope it is what we called ‘real’, scientifically verified, peer reviewed and above all multiply proven evidence.

Using one such evidence that you claim as “contrived and misconstrued” you are 100% happy to consider it 100% accurate when it comes convicting a felon for a crime and yet when that very same procedure invalidates your faith you are 0% happy and claim it as 0% accurate. Go figure...

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#119715 Aug 7, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Contrived and misconstrued conclusions as to the real nature of the evidence could be what is happening on your side of the fence.
If you had evidence. But no, just limp conjecture.

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