Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223191 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#100997 Oct 11, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Agreed!
Well, Mike...if you are a bike rider, i must make full disclosure...i work for a chip seal resurfacing crew.(you know, the liquid asphalt, then the chip rock you love so much spread loosely on top...)

now, i operate the streetsweeper for our crew, and bike and bicycle riders generally like streetsweepers, so when they see me well ahead of the crew, they usually wave. i meekly wave back thinking..."oh, if you only knew what was coming behind me..."

often times i run into them (figuratively) again as they are coming back...they are not so friendly and often times the waves have far fewer fingers in it...

just doin' my job...just doin' my job...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#100998 Oct 11, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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"There is no indication of a worldwide flood in ancient Egyptian, Indus or Chinese writings, temples, pyramids, sculptures, etc., which existed at the time of Noah.
Yet, if the flood really did occur, then all of the world's early civilizations would have been completely destroyed. The entire population of the world would have consisted of 8 people, in the vicinity of the ark.
It would have taken millennia for humanity to become re-established in China and elsewhere. Also, they would have developed a very different culture from the pre-flood society.
The archaeological record in Egypt would show a sudden change from ancient Egyptian artifacts, to no signs of civilization, to ancient Israelite culture after the time of the flood.
The archaeological record in China would show a sudden change from ancient Chinese artifacts, to no signs of civilization, to ancient Israelite culture after the time of the flood. And so on. But the archaeological record shows that the various cultures were not interrupted; they continued to develop throughout the period when the flood is supposed to have happened.
For example, the Egyptian "Old Kingdom" covered the era from 2649 BCE to 2134 BCE, the 3rd to the 8th dynasty. In particular, the fifth dynasty covered the interval 2465 to 2323 BCE, straddling the time when religious conservatives believe that the flood happened.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_proof1.h... #
Kinda' neat how lack of evidence for...turns into evidence against. Don't you think?
Word, I saw the historical documents on this.(they were dubbed over in Thermian, but i think i got the gist of it)

humans survived the great flood because the planes they were always escaping in always took off just as the supervolcano blew, or california sank into the sea, and then when they are running out of fuel, there is always a place to land, miraculously.(obviously the hand of god...)

then kevin costner picks you up and trolls for dinner with his body and you all land on mount everest...

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#100999 Oct 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, Mike...if you are a bike rider, i must make full disclosure...i work for a chip seal resurfacing crew.(you know, the liquid asphalt, then the chip rock you love so much spread loosely on top...)
now, i operate the streetsweeper for our crew, and bike and bicycle riders generally like streetsweepers, so when they see me well ahead of the crew, they usually wave. i meekly wave back thinking..."oh, if you only knew what was coming behind me..."
often times i run into them (figuratively) again as they are coming back...they are not so friendly and often times the waves have far fewer fingers in it...
just doin' my job...just doin' my job...
Oh? Was that you?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#101000 Oct 11, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Oh? Was that you?
yup. oh, and i'd check out that mole on your middle finger...it looked possibly pre-cancerous to me...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#101001 Oct 11, 2013
MikeF wrote:
great! thank you for making me realize, once again, how little i know about where theoretical physics is taking us these days...

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Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#101002 Oct 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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LOL!!
How did you experiment? There are all sorts of ways to bicycle wrong.
Amaze me by showing footage of a bike turning left without a turn of the handlebars to the right first. It is a subtle motion, but to get a bike to go left first you have to cause it to fall to the left. You do that by steering right. Now if you turn to far to the right with the intent of leaning left you can buy it.
You can get the same thing by shifting your weight around.
That's how I've always done it, by leaning into the curve alone.
Counter steering only works at low speed, at higher speed your wheels are gyroscopes.

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#101003 Oct 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Word, I saw the historical documents on this.(they were dubbed over in Thermian, but i think i got the gist of it)
humans survived the great flood because the planes they were always escaping in always took off just as the supervolcano blew, or california sank into the sea, and then when they are running out of fuel, there is always a place to land, miraculously.(obviously the hand of god...)
then kevin costner picks you up and trolls for dinner with his body and you all land on mount everest...
Priceless....:-)

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#101004 Oct 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You can get the same thing by shifting your weight around.
That's how I've always done it, by leaning into the curve alone.
Counter steering only works at low speed, at higher speed your wheels are gyroscopes.
Please find an article that supports that claim. All I have seen claim that is a very small part of the forces necessary to keep a motorcycle upright. Most I have seen say the best description of how bikes stay up is similar to how you would keep an inverted pendulum vertical.

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Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#101005 Oct 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Please find an article that supports that claim. All I have seen claim that is a very small part of the forces necessary to keep a motorcycle upright. Most I have seen say the best description of how bikes stay up is similar to how you would keep an inverted pendulum vertical.
Experience doesn't need an article.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#101006 Oct 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Experience doesn't need an article.
Experience does not measure gyroscopic force.

I have seen people argue against the idea that all turns start with countersteering on a bike or cycle. I have never seen anyone even come close to winning those arguments.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#101007 Oct 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Experience doesn't need an article.
This article explains why in an emergency many riders turn their bikes the wrong way:

http://www.stevemunden.com/countersteering.ht...

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Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#101008 Oct 11, 2013
Are you guys trying to tell me that simply riding a bike involves science? I'm skeptical. The next thing you know, you all will trying to show that flying a plane involves some laws of physics or something.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#101009 Oct 11, 2013
Science is fun. Now Aura Mytha and I may disagree on this point. If either of us shows the other to be wrong I am fairly sure that either one of us would accept it. Strange I don't see that happening with certain other people here.

Meanwhile in the world of Directly Downwind Faster Than The Wind their are still two who reject it and another who "does not understand it" but thinks it might be real.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#101010 Oct 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Science is fun. Now Aura Mytha and I may disagree on this point. If either of us shows the other to be wrong I am fairly sure that either one of us would accept it. Strange I don't see that happening with certain other people here.
Meanwhile in the world of Directly Downwind Faster Than The Wind their are still two who reject it and another who "does not understand it" but thinks it might be real.
MPR did a great story about that just the other week...

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Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#101011 Oct 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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This article explains why in an emergency many riders turn their bikes the wrong way:
http://www.stevemunden.com/countersteering.ht...
You definitely do when you lay it down. And motocross racers turn the bars backwards to make slide turns in the dirt.
Fact is a pro street bike rider uses his weight as leverage to lean the bike going into turns , jumping etc.
Also freestyle riders may use that method but it all has more to do with balance than anything else. But typically you put your weight on the pegs and shift your weight in anticipating the turn. I think you will see that in here.

Your welcome to try and find what you're talking about in here.



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Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#101012 Oct 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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This article explains why in an emergency many riders turn their bikes the wrong way:
http://www.stevemunden.com/countersteering.ht...
This article is low speed , and talking about driving in traffic.
I acknowledged that counter steering works at low speed.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#101013 Oct 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You definitely do when you lay it down. And motocross racers turn the bars backwards to make slide turns in the dirt.
Fact is a pro street bike rider uses his weight as leverage to lean the bike going into turns , jumping etc.
Also freestyle riders may use that method but it all has more to do with balance than anything else. But typically you put your weight on the pegs and shift your weight in anticipating the turn. I think you will see that in here.
Your welcome to try and find what you're talking about in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6e9CoSxCeQIXX
at the 2:30 mark you can see several of the riders throwing right a bit to then lay down a left turn, in the others it may be too subtle.

that was all i could watch, it seemed about as exciting as a Nascar race....

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arte et marte

#101014 Oct 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>at the 2:30 mark you can see several of the riders throwing right a bit to then lay down a left turn, in the others it may be too subtle.
that was all i could watch, it seemed about as exciting as a Nascar race....
You can really tell when shifting to opposite turns , it's more fluid, and no room for counter steering.

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#101015 Oct 12, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
This is a debate? Come on, it's like debating if the earth is flat or not. The creation story is a Bronze Age myth. There is actual evidence for evolution.
The bible never supported the idea of a flat earth. Without any arguments the bible in the book of Isaiah, Job supported a round earth.

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#101016 Oct 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I can do better than that, I can define it in one sentence
A contradiction is a combination of statements, ideas, or features that are in opposition to one another
But hey, if you want me to put an extra full stop in there just ask.
As a person, do you know your future or tomorrow? Stop the trash and move on.

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