Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 220673 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#100822 Oct 10, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>gods can die? i guess when the people that created them die off, so do the gods...
Sure they can!

When the minor deity Yahweh wandered up the Mount of Gods and shouted "Behold, I am the ONLY God", the other Gods died laughing

-(Nietzsche, paraphrased)

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#100823 Oct 10, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Of what?
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No, jackass. I made a statement. You ignored it. I'm not going to jump through an hoops for someone who refuses to give an honest response.
STILL waiting...
The mirror image of how you respond. You needed to ask? lol.
Which statement did you make that you wished for me to assume it was one that I was to have an answer for? Still waiting? Hmm?:)

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#100824 Oct 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Actually by the process of evolution and how it's proven to have worked, people as yourself are content to believe that evolution allowed animal species to evolve naturally and by some bit of magic caused a defect as you call it to allow one specie to accelerate over all others in thinking capacity. That's your magical theory because you can't explain why the process of evolution didn't allow for the same defect to happen to gorillas and or chimps or some other past primate group that lived for example. Our single specie went beyond being hunters and gatherers to what we are today and you have no explanation for why this defect didn't emerge before except to state it didn't happen.
Of course we "can" explain it. The problem is, all we have is a series of skulls showing the increasing brain size over about 3 million years. So our explanations are speculation.

But we do know that the apes that became hominids were subjected to some dramatic environmental changes and that in such a situation, its change or die. We can see what some of those changes were, and we can spend all day speculating about what mattered and what did not. We have many such explanations, some plausible, but hard to determine because the evidence is not likely to ever be found.

Still there is nothing magical about the theory. Just wonderful.

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#100825 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Then you lied when you said you looked at the links. AS plain to see in the first picture of a plane or some sort of flying object with wings.
Just like you, ancients could see birds and insects flying. Did Walt Disney invent imagination? Lets give the ancients some credit.

Nobody will ever be able to prove that aliens did not influence humans. It would even be reassuring if they did.

But frankly, I think we are on our own. Perhaps we can assume that on the 10^24 planets in the known universe, intelligent life may have appeared somewhere else...but realistically...neither dreams of gods nor aliens can release us from the realisation and responsibility that it up to us alone to make a go of it.

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#100826 Oct 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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I did. It can. Why do you doubt it? If a large enough asteroid/meteor hit's the sun in the right spot and forces it out of place a wee bit toward us, we'll be an inferno in a single rotation.
Anything is possible. You seem not to believe that to an extreme position but to each their own opinion.
What? an asteroid/ meteor forcing the sun to move? Jupiter isn't big enough for that, even if it were a solid planet.

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#100827 Oct 10, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Sure they can!
When the minor deity Yahweh wandered up the Mount of Gods and shouted "Behold, I am the ONLY God", the other Gods died laughing
-(Nietzsche, paraphrased)
or like when people quit believing in Pan and he faded away...

(Tom Robbins, "Jitterbug Perfume", paraphrased)

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#100828 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I see you dodged the time question again
i see you dodged the rational explanations i gave you for the whackjob sites you put so much stock in....why is that?

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#100829 Oct 10, 2013
Funny how I got peanuts and clueless tags for suggesting that the ancients had imaginations.

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#100830 Oct 10, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Correct, you have none.
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But *YOU* know it can do anything at all.
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You've just proven it again.
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That's OK. We're used to idiots laughing uncontrollably when confronted with things way over their heads.
What's humorous is how you get all pissy faced like a little child when someone calls you on your ideology that you believe some invisible intelligence the rest of us have no connection to, tells you what the earth's potentials are for causing havoc and what it's potentials aren't. You're nothing but another name for a creationist as you also believe in an invisible intelligence that give you knowledge no one else knows. Nice job as usual.

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#100831 Oct 10, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i see you dodged the rational explanations i gave you for the whackjob sites you put so much stock in....why is that?
You never gave one. You must first give one if you want it addressed. lol

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#100832 Oct 10, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Wow.... I actually feel embarrassed for you.
Really? It was a hypothesis, a pretend scenario for the sake of an argument and nothing more. And you took it seriously? You should feel really embarrassed for yourself, not me.

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#100833 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You never gave one. You must first give one if you want it addressed. lol
Sure i did, but certaqinly didn't expect from you anything other than the childish retort you just gave...

i gave very rational explanations for the things your little mind couldn't seem to grasp...

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#100834 Oct 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Really? It was a hypothesis, a pretend scenario for the sake of an argument and nothing more. And you took it seriously? You should feel really embarrassed for yourself, not me.
See, and i thought he meant for the entirety of your posts...not just that one.

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#100835 Oct 10, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Sure i did, but certaqinly didn't expect from you anything other than the childish retort you just gave...
i gave very rational explanations for the things your little mind couldn't seem to grasp...
As I told you spend less time on topix and more time on Discovery and NG you will find that they are not whacked out made up BS.

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#100836 Oct 10, 2013
Tick, Chimney, Sub, Dan, Aura, Mike F and anyone else. Pick one or more and run with it. Let's see what you got.

How Gravity Works. Saying you throw shyt up, it comes down again wonít work as an answer. Out of the four fundamental forces gravity is the weakest one. So how does it actually work?

How a Bicycle Works. Hint it is not the gyroscopic effect.

Why Ice Is Slippery? Humans as a species knew ice was slippery before we knew fire was hot, or even existed. So why is it slippery?

Now pick one or more and give a plausible tested scientific explanation of it/them on how/why. Donít be shy now. Who will be first to step up.

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#100837 Oct 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Really? It was a hypothesis, a pretend scenario for the sake of an argument and nothing more. And you took it seriously? You should feel really embarrassed for yourself, not me.
They take all hypothesis seriously. Well as long as science makes the hypothesis they take it seriously and literately.

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#100838 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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As I told you spend less time on topix and more time on Discovery and NG you will find that they are not whacked out made up BS.
maybe if you spent less time drooling in front of the boob tube, you would be able to tell that they are.

are you freakin serious? even the sasquatch hunters think you are insane to buy into this ridiculous crap!

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#100839 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Tick, Chimney, Sub, Dan, Aura, Mike F and anyone else. Pick one or more and run with it. Let's see what you got.
How Gravity Works. Saying you throw shyt up, it comes down again wonít work as an answer. Out of the four fundamental forces gravity is the weakest one. So how does it actually work?
How a Bicycle Works. Hint it is not the gyroscopic effect.
Why Ice Is Slippery? Humans as a species knew ice was slippery before we knew fire was hot, or even existed. So why is it slippery?
Now pick one or more and give a plausible tested scientific explanation of it/them on how/why. Donít be shy now. Who will be first to step up.
how a bicycle works, you push the pedals around and that drives the chain which turns the wheels...

you do know the scientific theory for gravity, don't you? you can look it up. do you have a better explanation than that one?

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#100840 Oct 10, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Of course we "can" explain it. The problem is, all we have is a series of skulls showing the increasing brain size over about 3 million years. So our explanations are speculation.
But we do know that the apes that became hominids were subjected to some dramatic environmental changes and that in such a situation, its change or die. We can see what some of those changes were, and we can spend all day speculating about what mattered and what did not. We have many such explanations, some plausible, but hard to determine because the evidence is not likely to ever be found.
Still there is nothing magical about the theory. Just wonderful.
I took the following from a site as it said it better than I could but also stated my own thoughts concerning the issue.

http://www.allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-t...
As with other complex biological features, scientists explain the evolution of the human brain through natural selection....
Scientists explain the apparent change and diversity of most biological systems through naturalistic evolution. The generally accepted theory is that small, random changes in an organism sometimes provide an advantage....
The response used by scientists to explain the evolution of the human brain involves a "fast evolution" scheme.....
Scientists have experienced problems when applying the normal methods of evolution to the human brain. Paleontologists and neurologists have noted that there is little to no notable difference between the brains of modern humans and so-called Neanderthals, other than a slight change in size. Given the supposedly significant differences in intelligence, social structure, and physical features, this seems strange. Those studying this field admit as much. The coordination required between the brain and the body is another. The development of the human brain is one of the biggest unsolved mysteries for evolution....

I disagree that it can be explained. I agree what we examine can be explained in theory. But explaining why modern humans took off like a rocket shot off concerning the evolution of their thinking process, it remains an unknown with a lot of theories.

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#100841 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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They take all hypothesis seriously. Well as long as science makes the hypothesis they take it seriously and literately.
It was not a hypothesis. you clearly do not know what that word means.

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