Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 218719 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99524 Sep 9, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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You fail to realize this is a grammatical argument and you need to learn what a contradictory statement is because you are supporting that life is the same and not the same as humans over time when time is not a factor.
IT CAN BE ONLY EITHER/OR
If so then colour spectrums would not exist. This is a contradiction. This contradicts your law of non-contradiction. Ergo you are in error.

You can't win if you don't modify your argument to deal with the facts.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99525 Sep 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Atheists don't believe in already proven false myths.
Actually that's not the case. There's nothing to stop an atheist believing in fairies, unicorns or alien spaceships.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99526 Sep 9, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Just two requests:
1-Show me those already proven "myths", and the proof that they are false.
2-Show me the proof to support atheism, which is a position of certainty.
Theology is irrelevant to the validity of science. Science doesn't CARE what you believe (or don't believe, as the case may be). Science works the same either way.

About the only thing to support atheism, currently, would be the complete and total utter lack of evidence of the existence of deities, beyond cultural constructions that is.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that one (or more) definitely do not exist. It's just there's no way to tell due to the concept being non-scientific.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99527 Sep 9, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Though many of those dummies are a great argument against evolution.
Indeed, we generally refer to them as anti-science creationists.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99528 Sep 9, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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That would be Godwin's law:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches. In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.
Sure.

Was it definitely one of us who invoked Godwins at that point though? After all it's not as if it's never been used against us mean old evo's before. Have a guess which side was the first to invoke it on THIS thread for example.

But if we want to just take a look at the actual history of Hitler's beliefs, he appeared to have issues with the Church, but still held theistic beliefs with roots in Judeo-Christian theology. Later on creationists made up a whole load of BS about how he was really an atheist.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#99529 Sep 9, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
I think the cosmos can get along quite well without our debates.
And it does.

This tiny little insignificant planet does not really matter in the grand scheme of things.

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#99530 Sep 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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That's fine. That leaves open the possibility of whether or not this "creative" energy was intelligent or not.
If you lived in Mississippi, you would think not.

But seriously folks -
I think a reasonable argument can be made in support of a sort of "creative initiator", but to determine whether or not it is intelligent or compassionate would require a leap of faith.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99531 Sep 9, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>What I don't need is your patronizing tone. You don't seem to understand that a theory of a "creative energy" can exist quite independently from any religious idea of Creationism. I believe that the bible is essentially a bunch of hokum that actually prevents a search of our origins. It does not discover any truths, so it just makes them up.
Why you continue to insist that a theory of a creative initiator must rely on biblical teachings is beyond me. My thoughts on the matter have nothing to do with religion or the bible. It fact, they are antithetical to those beliefs, and are certainly not based on "myths".
With regard to your interpretation of atheism, if you mean it is a position that says the burden of proof is on those who claim there is a deity, I can accept that definition. If it goes on to claim with smug certainty that such a deity does not exist, that is intellectually unacceptable.
Finally, I get the sense that you believe your thoughts on the matter are somehow more perceptive than mine. If that is the case, I think the cosmos can get along quite well without our debates.
I see your confusion here. I never, ever related your "creative energy" with anything biblical in any way, shape or form. it has no evidence to support it, but it does not have anything to do with any of the man-made religious cults. i never implied it did. i do not know why you inferred that i made that implication.

yes, we agree on the definition of atheism...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99532 Sep 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually that's not the case. There's nothing to stop an atheist believing in fairies, unicorns or alien spaceships.
good point...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99533 Sep 9, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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That would be Godwin's law:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches. In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
wow! and in all the time i have been on online forums, i have never referenced the nazis or Hitler outside of their historical role...

does godwin only refer to insane people?
davy

Albuquerque, NM

#99534 Sep 9, 2013
Gravity is just a theory.
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Gravity.

“e pluribus unum”

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Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#99535 Sep 9, 2013
davy wrote:
Gravity is just a theory.
<quoted text>
Don't let that theory hold you down.

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#99536 Sep 9, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
“A recent mathematical analysis says that life as we know it is written into the laws of reality.  DNA is built from a set of twenty amino acids - the first ten of those can create simple prebiotic life, and now it seems that those ten are thermodynamically destined to occur wherever they can.
An energy analysis by Professors Pudritz and Higgs of McMaster University shows that the first ten amino acids are likely to form at relatively low temperatures and pressures, and the calculated odds of formation match the concentrations of these life-chemicals found in meteorite samples.
They also match those in simulations of early Earth, and most critically, those simulations were performed by other people.  The implications are staggering: good news for anyone worried about how we're alone, and bad news for anyone who demands some kind of "Designer" to put life together - it seems that physics can assemble the organic jigsaw all by itself, thank you very much, and has probably done so throughout space since the beginning of everything.
The study indicates that you don't need a miracle to arrive at the chemical cocktail for early life, just a decently large asteroid with the right components.”
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/04/...
I don't think it is quite so easy for life to arise. If it was, then wouldn't we have lifeforms that are not related to us with DNA?

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#99537 Sep 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>I see your confusion here. I never, ever related your "creative energy" with anything biblical in any way, shape or form. it has no evidence to support it, but it does not have anything to do with any of the man-made religious cults. i never implied it did. i do not know why you inferred that i made that implication.
yes, we agree on the definition of atheism...
I am not confused, except by your latest post. It seems to me that whenever I spoke about a creative energy, you invoked the bible as the only kind of "creationism" there is to discuss. I tried to make it clear that my creation theory had nothing to do with any religious notion of Creationism.

I have reviewed some of your earlier posts, and doing so has only confirmed what I thought.

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#99538 Sep 9, 2013
davy wrote:
Gravity is just a theory.
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It's the Hand of God that holds us down. lol

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#99539 Sep 9, 2013
davy wrote:
Gravity is just a theory.
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I'm fighting for the repeal of the law of gravity. Happily I have the full support of the Tea Party.

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#99540 Sep 9, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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It's the Hand of God that holds us down. lol
And I thought Shaquille O'neal had big hands.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99541 Sep 9, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I am not confused, except by your latest post. It seems to me that whenever I spoke about a creative energy, you invoked the bible as the only kind of "creationism" there is to discuss. I tried to make it clear that my creation theory had nothing to do with any religious notion of Creationism.
I have reviewed some of your earlier posts, and doing so has only confirmed what I thought.
no, i clearly asked if you had any evidence of this creative energy. all my talk of proven myths was in regard to religious cults.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#99542 Sep 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>wow! and in all the time i have been on online forums, i have never referenced the nazis or Hitler outside of their historical role...
does godwin only refer to insane people?
Again you just show your ignorance. It has been brought up by both sides several times on several threads. Creationist bring it up and say that "Hitler didn't believe in God and wanted to brain wash everyone like the evotards do" and evolutionist bring it up in saying "Hitler was a Christian and his killings are justified in bible verses" or some crap on the lines of that from both.

You may have been on online forums for a long time but you just showed you didn't pay much attention!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99543 Sep 9, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Again you just show your ignorance. It has been brought up by both sides several times on several threads. Creationist bring it up and say that "Hitler didn't believe in God and wanted to brain wash everyone like the evotards do" and evolutionist bring it up in saying "Hitler was a Christian and his killings are justified in bible verses" or some crap on the lines of that from both.
You may have been on online forums for a long time but you just showed you didn't pay much attention!
i said I never brought it up. perhaps you should pay attention...

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