Evolution vs. Creation

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#98462 Aug 23, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Tell you what, if you can prove time was not created then I let you rest in peace.
This has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

I'm here saying that your world-view is measurably wrong. The very foundation of the Christian religion is totally under attack, and you ARE losing the battle.

Science has totally disproven your version of the beginning of our world/universe. It has disproven your version of the beginnings of humanity (Adam/Eve), it has disproven your 'Flood', it has disproven your idea of how the different languages came about, it has also completely disproven the Hebrew diaspora out of Egypt.

These are important foundational myths of the Jewish and Christian people. They are attempts to establish the Judeo-Christian God as real and the supreme and only God of this planet and universe.

When the stories are proven to be myths (and they are); where does this leave the Judeo-Christian religion?

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#98463 Aug 23, 2013
What are the last four starting at humans going back that are in the evolution line?

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#98465 Aug 23, 2013
Still waiting on an answer to my last post and yes there will be more questions that follow.

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#98466 Aug 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Still waiting on an answer to my last post and yes there will be more questions that follow.
I would give it a shot but your question is rather unclear.

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#98467 Aug 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I would give it a shot but your question is rather unclear.
Starting from us, going backwards. What are the next four species/forms that came before us?
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#98468 Aug 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
What are the last four starting at humans going back that are in the evolution line?
Try restating your question, and maybe someone might be able to answer it.

Just sayin...

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#98469 Aug 24, 2013
replaytime wrote:
What are the last four starting at humans going back that are in the evolution line?
Go to one of many sources:

humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/dating

humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-evolution-...

humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior

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#98470 Aug 24, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Starting from us, going backwards. What are the next four species/forms that came before us?
It is hard to say since at times there was more than one species of hominids in existence.

Without actual DNA from the various species it is very difficult to reconstruct the exact line of our descent.

But I will try. Probably Homo heidlebergenis, Home erectus, Homo habilis, and Australopithecs garhi.

Now I could have easily missed a step or two. This is not a definitive answer.

Source:

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-evo...

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#98471 Aug 24, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
I am asking for an answer. If I wanted to look it up and research it I would not have asked. I mean this is an evolution forum/thread so the answers should be easily told. Not being an @ss, just too tired to look for the answer so I asked.

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#98472 Aug 24, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I am asking for an answer. If I wanted to look it up and research it I would not have asked. I mean this is an evolution forum/thread so the answers should be easily told. Not being an @ss, just too tired to look for the answer so I asked.
Then see SZ above you.

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#98473 Aug 24, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is hard to say since at times there was more than one species of hominids in existence.
Without actual DNA from the various species it is very difficult to reconstruct the exact line of our descent.
But I will try. Probably Homo heidlebergenis, Home erectus, Homo habilis, and Australopithecs garhi.
Now I could have easily missed a step or two. This is not a definitive answer.
Source:
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-evo...
Ok thanks for the answer and now for the next question. Are ther any transitional fossils between Homo habilis and Australopithecs garhi? Any transitional fossils between Home erectus and Homo habilis? Any transitional fossils between Homo heidlebergenis and Home erectus?

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#98474 Aug 24, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Ok thanks for the answer and now for the next question. Are ther any transitional fossils between Homo habilis and Australopithecs garhi? Any transitional fossils between Home erectus and Homo habilis? Any transitional fossils between Homo heidlebergenis and Home erectus?
Now you are playing the God of the gaps game.

It is a dishonest way of debating.

But I will treat you as if you are not being an asshat right now.

No, not at the current time. The differences are getting so small that there really is no need of further transitional fossils. When you have a series of fossils the way we do now it is obvious that they all are transitional from one to another.

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#98475 Aug 24, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Now you are playing the God of the gaps game.
It is a dishonest way of debating.
But I will treat you as if you are not being an asshat right now.
No, not at the current time. The differences are getting so small that there really is no need of further transitional fossils. When you have a series of fossils the way we do now it is obvious that they all are transitional from one to another.
Of the transitional fossils they have. What are they between and how many years had passed between them?

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#98476 Aug 24, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Now you are playing the God of the gaps game.
It is a dishonest way of debating.
But I will treat you as if you are not being an asshat right now.
No, not at the current time. The differences are getting so small that there really is no need of further transitional fossils. When you have a series of fossils the way we do now it is obvious that they all are transitional from one to another.
Oh and I am not playing a God of gaps game. I am asking to see what is out there in the evidence.

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#98477 Aug 24, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Of the transitional fossils they have. What are they between and how many years had passed between them?
Check the links. Do your own homework for once.

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#98478 Aug 24, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Check the links. Do your own homework for once.
But I thought the rules here were if you don't know we will teach/show you?

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#98479 Aug 24, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Now you are playing the God of the gaps game.
It is a dishonest way of debating.
But I will treat you as if you are not being an asshat right now.
No, not at the current time. The differences are getting so small that there really is no need of further transitional fossils. When you have a series of fossils the way we do now it is obvious that they all are transitional from one to another.
What I am doing is learning how to play the game. I read and watch a lot both to learn. I believe no one is above learning. By coming here and reading while not speaking I learn the game. Now if one comes here with a claim then he is confronted to show evidence of his claim. But if one comes here with questions he puts the burden of showing evidence on the one/ones that answer the question.

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#98480 Aug 24, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Ok thanks for the answer and now for the next question. Are ther any transitional fossils between Homo habilis and Australopithecs garhi? Any transitional fossils between Home erectus and Homo habilis? Any transitional fossils between Homo heidlebergenis and Home erectus?
The answer to that is, even these species types are so overlapping thatin many cases paleontologists argue about whether a specimen is really one or the other. So there are no transitionals because there are really no gaps!

If you ignore the species definitions ans simply look at the specimen progression, there is a continuum from early autralopith to modern man.
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#98481 Aug 24, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Enough of the bible is disproven to cast a bad light on the whole of it.

The stuff that we can PROVE is wrong in the Bible is, to me, conclusive evidence of it all being a book of myths.

All the supernatural stuff going on in Genesis and Exodus is total provable myth. It fooled the early converts, and it continues to make suckers of people today
None of the Bible has been proven wrong!

Lets see your proof.
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#98482 Aug 24, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>This has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

I'm here saying that your world-view is measurably wrong. The very foundation of the Christian religion is totally under attack, and you ARE losing the battle.

Science has totally disproven your version of the beginning of our world/universe. It has disproven your version of the beginnings of humanity (Adam/Eve), it has disproven your 'Flood', it has disproven your idea of how the different languages came about, it has also completely disproven the Hebrew diaspora out of Egypt.

These are important foundational myths of the Jewish and Christian people. They are attempts to establish the Judeo-Christian God as real and the supreme and only God of this planet and universe.

When the stories are proven to be myths (and they are); where does this leave the Judeo-Christian religion?
"I'm here saying that your world-view is measurably wrong. The very foundation of the Christian religion is totally under attack, and you ARE losing the battle."

You can say all you want. That doesn't make it fact.

The Bible is the word of God and none of its been proven wrong.
Your claim on the age of everything does not make it correct either.

I'm not saying this is what happened but something you don't even consider is
God made all the animal mature and God mad man and woman mature what makes you think he didn't make the universe and earth mature also?

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