Evolution vs. Creation

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#94457 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Not once. You misinterpreted what I wrote. The path of evolution can be described as a drunkard's walk. That does not mean the process is random. The best quick analogy that I can come up with is to think of a drunkard's walk down a slope. His path will be erratic but sooner or later he will be at the bottom of the hill.
I thought you said it was random, I guess not. Ok then as the drunkard walk going down hill, sooner or later he will get there so evolution has direction?

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#94458 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Dude go tell some one who cares
ROFL!!!

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#94459 Jun 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I thought you said it was random, I guess not. Ok then as the drunkard walk going down hill, sooner or later he will get there so evolution has direction?
In hindsight yes, in foresight no. There are so many positive paths that evolution can take it is hard to predict what will happen ahead of time. There are some very narrow aspects that can be predicted, but even then the exact path cannot be specified. Look at sight as an example. It has evolved many times and taken many different paths. The end result is roughly the same, but the mechanics are different due to the different paths.

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#94460 Jun 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>I thought you said it was random, I guess not. Ok then as the drunkard walk going down hill, sooner or later he will get there so evolution has direction?
Forgive me if I'm wrong but would a drunkards walk down a hill not be the most random thing you've ever seen lol

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#94461 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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In hindsight yes, in foresight no. There are so many positive paths that evolution can take it is hard to predict what will happen ahead of time. There are some very narrow aspects that can be predicted, but even then the exact path cannot be specified. Look at sight as an example. It has evolved many times and taken many different paths. The end result is roughly the same, but the mechanics are different due to the different paths.
The direction is in the population.

The environment drags the population toward greater fitness within it. The population exists in an environment containing life-threatening hazards that can destroy individuals in the population. Because there are variations among the individuals, some are better able to resist the hazards and survive, and others are more vulnerable and are destroyed.

By destroying the more vulnerable members, the environment inadvertently leaves behind the individuals who were best able to resist destruction (the survivors). Those will be the parents of the next generation, and the next generation will tend to have characteristics similar to their parents, i.e. the characteristics of the survivors.

The variation among individuals is random, without direction. Then the environment destroys the ones who are less well suited to surviving in that environment, which gives a direction to the population's evolution by only allowing changes in one direction to be successful.

That is the direction of evolution.

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#94462 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Forgive me if I'm wrong but would a drunkards walk down a hill not be the most random thing you've ever seen lol
Where did he start and where did he end? If you did not see the walk you might make the mistake of thinking he took a straight path.

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#94463 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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You dont get older being silly in this country none of the animals you mentioned pose serious threat anyway
I grew up in the bush n il quite happily handle a brown snake along with any other hmm no crocs where i am I'm afraid or funnel webs haha scared of roos you gotta be kidding
Those dingos are gonna get you man! lol

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#94464 Jun 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>The direction is in the population.

The environment drags the population toward greater fitness within it. The population exists in an environment containing life-threatening hazards that can destroy individuals in the population. Because there are variations among the individuals, some are better able to resist the hazards and survive, and others are more vulnerable and are destroyed.

By destroying the more vulnerable members, the environment inadvertently leaves behind the individuals who were best able to resist destruction (the survivors). Those will be the parents of the next generation, and the next generation will tend to have characteristics similar to their parents, i.e. the characteristics of the survivors.

The variation among individuals is random, without direction. Then the environment destroys the ones who are less well suited to surviving in that environment, which gives a direction to the population's evolution by only allowing changes in one direction to be successful.

That is the direction of evolution.
Yupp i agree with this post

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#94465 Jun 28, 2013
News Flash!
Aussie Bob was mangled to death today in Queensland by a viscous gang of goannas led by a Tasmanian devil. lmao

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#94466 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Where did he start and where did he end? If you did not see the walk you might make the mistake of thinking he took a straight path.
An obviously missed alot in-between ?

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#94467 Jun 28, 2013
Don't live in tasmania weirdo there is devils here

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#94468 Jun 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
News Flash!
Aussie Bob was mangled to death today in Queensland by a viscous gang of goannas led by a Tasmanian devil. lmao
Il eat the goannas

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#94469 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
Don't live in tasmania weirdo there is devils here
Is no devils here

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#94470 Jun 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The direction is in the population.
The environment drags the population toward greater fitness within it. The population exists in an environment containing life-threatening hazards that can destroy individuals in the population. Because there are variations among the individuals, some are better able to resist the hazards and survive, and others are more vulnerable and are destroyed.
By destroying the more vulnerable members, the environment inadvertently leaves behind the individuals who were best able to resist destruction (the survivors). Those will be the parents of the next generation, and the next generation will tend to have characteristics similar to their parents, i.e. the characteristics of the survivors.
The variation among individuals is random, without direction. Then the environment destroys the ones who are less well suited to surviving in that environment, which gives a direction to the population's evolution by only allowing changes in one direction to be successful.
That is the direction of evolution.
Really? No direction.

What if the environment is continually cooling. Since evolution has no direction soon all life will die because it gets below 55 degrees Fahrenheit at night.

Hmm, that does not seem to be the case. Perhaps replaytime is wrong.

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#94471 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Really? No direction.
What if the environment is continually cooling. Since evolution has no direction soon all life will die because it gets below 55 degrees Fahrenheit at night.
Hmm, that does not seem to be the case. Perhaps replaytime is wrong.
Do you not comprehend what that says? Where in any of that does it say "no direction"?

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#94472 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Yupp i agree with this post
Yep, it is called natural selection. You just agreed with evolution.

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#94473 Jun 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>human eyes are actually rather pathetic by comparison in the real world.
why did your proven mythical god give his favorite species foruth rate eyes?
when you look at yoru cult with an objective eye and logic, it falls apart, as do all your arguments...
My eyes are ok, you should see the woman I got..
Also I'm still here because I have better eyes than the bears I used to dodge in alaska LOL.

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#94474 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Really? No direction.
What if the environment is continually cooling. Since evolution has no direction soon all life will die because it gets below 55 degrees Fahrenheit at night.
Hmm, that does not seem to be the case. Perhaps replaytime is wrong.
It is confusing direction with selection pressure.

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#94475 Jun 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Do you not comprehend what that says? Where in any of that does it say "no direction"?
Yup, you got me. I made a mistake.

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#94476 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Really? No direction.
What if the environment is continually cooling. Since evolution has no direction soon all life will die because it gets below 55 degrees Fahrenheit at night.
Hmm, that does not seem to be the case. Perhaps replaytime is wrong.
I believe the cooler temps would be covered in the environment.

And again nowhere in there does it say evolution has no direction.

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