Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89528 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All religions started out as a cult and the living God started his cult with Abraham. You need to separate the old testament from the new. They are diametrically opposed, don't lump them together. They are about two different gods. The god of the new testament is Lucifer (Jesus) and Satan (Adam), The God of the old is the creator of the universe and mankind. We were created in the image and likeness of God, God is only human. All the gods of other nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. An idol is a physical representation of a (dead) god.
IMAGINE2011 - What sayest thou?

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#89529 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
This actually 'is' a prophecy, that has come true, today.
Read it again, slowly.
no. like i factually pointed out, it sounds a lot more like when you christians were allowed to run amok on this planet...

evil, evil cult you belong to...

get deprogrammed, there are services you can find online that might save your humanity...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89530 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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We just don't want to argue with you when you call us liars and we know that we are not, so why argue your incorrect notion?
We try not to stoop to name calling, we truly are trying to discuss or debate a subject, not act like kindergarten kids calling names.
You are new here so you have not lied,.... yet.

You would be extremely hard pressed to find a video of any antievolutionist who was either an outright liar, a complete idiot, or both.

You have not been answering honest questions given to you, that is not a form of lying, but it is avoiding the truth.

And you came in here with an attitude. So don't imply kindergarten mentalities to others of something that you are guilty of.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89531 May 18, 2013
Here is a hint for you imagine2011, since the Bible has been shown to be horribly flawed here it does you no good to quote from it.

This is a scientific discussion which means you should try to use science to defend your beliefs. Not a book of fantasy written by sheep shaggers.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#89532 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All religions started out as a cult and the living God started his cult with Abraham. You need to separate the old testament from the new. They are diametrically opposed, don't lump them together. They are about two different gods. The god of the new testament is Lucifer (Jesus) and Satan (Adam), The God of the old is the creator of the universe and mankind. We were created in the image and likeness of God, God is only human. All the gods of other nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. An idol is a physical representation of a (dead) god.
it is the god of the old testament that said it is OK to own slaves and stone gay s to death and subjugate women.

yeah. that's the real god. he's also the one that couldn't even get his own creations story correct.

you are in a cult. you worship a proven myth.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89533 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
IMAGINE2011 - What sayest thou?
Shame on her for blasphemy. I feel sorry for her, to be honest. I'd hate to be that blinded by satan.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89534 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Shame on her for blasphemy. I feel sorry for her, to be honest. I'd hate to be that blinded by satan.
You are just as bad. Susan may be mentally deranged, what is your excuse?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89535 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Here is a hint for you imagine2011, since the Bible has been shown to be horribly flawed here it does you no good to quote from it.
This is a scientific discussion which means you should try to use science to defend your beliefs. Not a book of fantasy written by sheep shaggers.
We have been using science to prove the Bible....don't you know that or are your evolutionary teachers hiding that fact?

Intellegent Design scientists are being fired from their decades long professions these days, kinda like persecution???

Why would they fire them if they werent afraid they would expose the lie of evolution .....and they would lose their funding.....and therefore lose their livelyhood.

Why do they want to silence them if they can prove ID to be false???

Please answer the last question, at least.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89536 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
"age of enlightenment"...you mean knowledge of men?
James 3:13-18 ESV /
Who is blah blah
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz

Bub, you're preaching again.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89537 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You are new here so you have not lied,.... yet.
Actually he has, confirmed 17 minutes ago:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

He is now guilty as charged. Evidence does not matter to him. Whatever is posted will instantly be dismissed as all being part of the worldwide evil atheist Darwinist evolutionist scientist elitist Liberal Socialist Communist Nazi baby-eating God-hating Satan-worshipping time-travelling Jewish Illuminati conspiracy. No attempt will be made at rebuttal because he wasn't interested in debating or discussing the subject anyway, despite his claim to the contrary.

Yes my friends, we have yet another dyed in the wool run of the mill reality-denying dishonest hypocritical liar for Jesus. Nothing to see here, move along.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89538 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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If you don't want to be called a liar then stop lying. Since you have been caught lying and being dishonest all you can do is cry like a baby.
<quoted text>
Of course not. You stoop to an unfounded position of authority in which you claim to have special knowledge that you are unable to demonstrate, and anyone who disagrees is somehow deficient.
I mean, who wouldn't be offended at that?(shrug)
<quoted text>
You are not capable of discussing or debating the subject. That is why you have avoided it at every opportunity.
<quoted text>
No, you act like kindergarten kids by ranting "I'm better than you, nyah nyah!". Then cry when we point out you're not.
I never claimed to be better. I told you I used to think like you do but now my eyes are opened with the wisdom of God thru His Spirit.

All true Christians can say the same.

No one wants to be better or claim they're better.

If so, why would we try so hard to include everyone with God's wisdom?

Why would we care about you, if all we wanted was to boast?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89539 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Shame on her for blasphemy. I feel sorry for her, to be honest. I'd hate to be that blinded by satan.
Funny, she thinks EXACTLY the same about you. As it happens we think that you and her are just as daft as each other.

(shrug)

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89540 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
We have been using science to prove the Bible....don't you know that or are your evolutionary teachers hiding that fact?
Intellegent Design scientists are being fired from their decades long professions these days, kinda like persecution???
Why would they fire them if they werent afraid they would expose the lie of evolution .....and they would lose their funding.....and therefore lose their livelyhood.
Why do they want to silence them if they can prove ID to be false???
Please answer the last question, at least.
Science does not "prove the Bible". Again, you should not use words that you do not know how to use properly.

How do you think that "Science proves the Bible"? I bet you are making some very basic logic and biblical mistakes.

No, people are not being fired for being IDiots. That is an outright lie. Some IDiots have complained when they did not get jobs that they applied for, but none of them had a legal leg to stand on.

In fact there are a few creationists that know how to do real science in their chosen fields. Whenever they try to do "creation science" they inevitably go about it in a way that shows they know that they are wrong.

We have been through all of this before so what do you need to know?

And if you want to participate you will have to tell us what you believe in and why.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89541 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually he has, confirmed 17 minutes ago:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...
He is now guilty as charged. Evidence does not matter to him. Whatever is posted will instantly be dismissed as all being part of the worldwide evil atheist Darwinist evolutionist scientist elitist Liberal Socialist Communist Nazi baby-eating God-hating Satan-worshipping time-travelling Jewish Illuminati conspiracy. No attempt will be made at rebuttal because he wasn't interested in debating or discussing the subject anyway, despite his claim to the contrary.
Yes my friends, we have yet another dyed in the wool run of the mill reality-denying dishonest hypocritical liar for Jesus. Nothing to see here, move along.
Yes, I saw that after I made my post. So he is a confirmed liar. I should have said I have not seen him lie yet.

By the way, do you know why you cannot find any honest creationists?

They have a very short half-life. They very quickly become evolutionists.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89543 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
We have been using science to prove the Bible....don't you know that or are your evolutionary teachers hiding that fact?
You are lying since you have already admitted to rejecting biology, physics and chemistry. That's ALL science in its totality.

Plus your position is Goddidit with magic, which again makes scientific evidence utterly superfluous.

Does the evidence look like this? Goddidit. Oh, but does the evidence look like that instead? Doesn't matter, Godstilldidit. There is literally NO outcome which will change the preconceived conclusion. Goddidit with magic no matter what.
imagine2011 wrote:
Intellegent Design scientists
OH, but WAIT! Intelligent Design doesn't have anything to do with religion, nope! Nosirree-bob! It's just them evil lying atheist Darwinists who say it is, right???

What's an "ID scientist" anyway? I've never heard of that theory before.
imagine2011 wrote:
are being fired from their decades long professions these days, kinda like persecution???
You mean those that were proselytizing in the work place or illegally pushing religious apologetics into public schools? Or perhaps you were referring to Chris Comer who was fired for doing her job?

http://ncse.com/news/2007/12/barbara-forrest-...
imagine2011 wrote:
Why would they fire them if they werent afraid they would expose the lie of evolution .....and they would lose their funding.....and therefore lose their livelyhood.
Actually they weren't able to expose the "lie" of evolution because the only lie is that evolution is a "lie". If evolution didn't work it would lose its funding. It doesn't lose its funding because it works.

Of course NOTHING is stopping IDCers from demonstrating their claims scientifically themselves. They have their own funding. They have their own labs.

But we've been waiting 20 years for them to even come up with a testable hypothesis, much less a viable scientific theory.

Or you could say we've been waiting 3,000, depending on how you look at it.
imagine2011 wrote:
Why do they want to silence them if they can prove ID to be false???
Please answer the last question, at least.
ID cannot be proven false because ID is as falsifiable as the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's claims about evolution however CAN and HAVE been demonstrated false. They don't want to "silence" them because they can't. That's why you have heard all about it. NOBODY is stopping the IDCers from making TV shows, doing public talks, having websites or preaching on a street corner.

However what they preach is simply anti-science religious apologetics. Which they are ALLOWED to do. UNTIL they try to force it into public schools. And THAT is what the scientific community wants to prevent - ruining public school science education because a bunch of ignorant fuckwits think Jesus will come back within their lifetime and destroy the world.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#89544 May 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it is the god of the old testament that said it is OK to own slaves and stone gay s to death and subjugate women.
yeah. that's the real god. he's also the one that couldn't even get his own creations story correct.
you are in a cult. you worship a proven myth.
The Messiah (God) will "seek to change times and laws" Daniel 7:25. These include both mans and Gods laws. Besides the 10 commandments, the rest of the law was written for a different time. It was appropriate for the time it was written in. The 10 commandments are forever valid, that's why they were written in stone. The rest of the law is changeable, it will usually say if a statute or judgment is perpetual or forever. Isaiah 2:3 "...for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem".
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#89545 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
I never claimed to be better. I told you I used to think like you do but now my eyes are opened with the wisdom of God thru His Spirit.
All true Christians can say the same.
No one wants to be better or claim they're better.
... which means you (claim to) have special access to special knowledge which no-one who disagrees with you can possibly know.

Hence your superiority complex.(shrug)
imagine2011 wrote:
If so, why would we try so hard to include everyone with God's wisdom?
You don't. You merely alienate anyone who is not in your special group and hope that they're as gullible and stupid as you.
imagine2011 wrote:
Why would we care about you, if all we wanted was to boast?
You don't care. You do boast. You are not capable of true charity. The Bible is true cuz the Bible sez so and God is good because God sez so. You are only motivated by two things: fear of eternal torture and desire for eternal paradise. Everyone else could go f ck themselves except for the fact the Bible has told you to preach.

But preaching is spam. Spam upsets the kittens. Why do you hate kittens?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89546 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Science does not "prove the Bible". Again, you should not use words that you do not know how to use properly.
How do you think that "Science proves the Bible"? I bet you are making some very basic logic and biblical mistakes.
No, people are not being fired for being IDiots. That is an outright lie. Some IDiots have complained when they did not get jobs that they applied for, but none of them had a legal leg to stand on.
In fact there are a few creationists that know how to do real science in their chosen fields. Whenever they try to do "creation science" they inevitably go about it in a way that shows they know that they are wrong.
We have been through all of this before so what do you need to know?
And if you want to participate you will have to tell us what you believe in and why.
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
http://www.cross.tv/63730

This video has a long list of ID scientists being fired for even mentioning ID in any papers.

What are the Evo scientists afraid of?

Being shown fradulent hence losing their grants? I say yes.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#89547 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
http://www.cross.tv/63730
This video has a long list of ID scientists being fired for even mentioning ID in any papers.
What are the Evo scientists afraid of?
Being shown fradulent hence losing their grants? I say yes.
http://www.expelledexposed.com/

Welcome to Expelled Exposed, a detailed look at the Ben Stein movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. We'll show you why this movie is not a documentary at all, but anti-science propaganda aimed at creating the appearance of controversy where there is none.

To learn why the claims made in Expelled are false, find out The Truth behind the Fiction. For information on the producers and their actions, go Behind the Scenes. To learn more about evolution and intelligent design, or to see what other people thought of Expelled, view our links to other online Resources. For the results of the contest to refute claims by the film's spokesperson, see how visitors to Expelled Exposed Set Ben Straight.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89548 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text>
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
http://www.cross.tv/63730
This video has a long list of ID scientists being fired for even mentioning ID in any papers.
What are the Evo scientists afraid of?
Being shown fradulent hence losing their grants? I say yes.
Expelled was debunked almost immediately.

They made all sorts of false claims in that movie and were very dishonest in their filming of it.

Here is part one out of 16 debunking that garbage:

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