Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222270 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89541 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually he has, confirmed 17 minutes ago:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...
He is now guilty as charged. Evidence does not matter to him. Whatever is posted will instantly be dismissed as all being part of the worldwide evil atheist Darwinist evolutionist scientist elitist Liberal Socialist Communist Nazi baby-eating God-hating Satan-worshipping time-travelling Jewish Illuminati conspiracy. No attempt will be made at rebuttal because he wasn't interested in debating or discussing the subject anyway, despite his claim to the contrary.
Yes my friends, we have yet another dyed in the wool run of the mill reality-denying dishonest hypocritical liar for Jesus. Nothing to see here, move along.
Yes, I saw that after I made my post. So he is a confirmed liar. I should have said I have not seen him lie yet.

By the way, do you know why you cannot find any honest creationists?

They have a very short half-life. They very quickly become evolutionists.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#89543 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
We have been using science to prove the Bible....don't you know that or are your evolutionary teachers hiding that fact?
You are lying since you have already admitted to rejecting biology, physics and chemistry. That's ALL science in its totality.

Plus your position is Goddidit with magic, which again makes scientific evidence utterly superfluous.

Does the evidence look like this? Goddidit. Oh, but does the evidence look like that instead? Doesn't matter, Godstilldidit. There is literally NO outcome which will change the preconceived conclusion. Goddidit with magic no matter what.
imagine2011 wrote:
Intellegent Design scientists
OH, but WAIT! Intelligent Design doesn't have anything to do with religion, nope! Nosirree-bob! It's just them evil lying atheist Darwinists who say it is, right???

What's an "ID scientist" anyway? I've never heard of that theory before.
imagine2011 wrote:
are being fired from their decades long professions these days, kinda like persecution???
You mean those that were proselytizing in the work place or illegally pushing religious apologetics into public schools? Or perhaps you were referring to Chris Comer who was fired for doing her job?

http://ncse.com/news/2007/12/barbara-forrest-...
imagine2011 wrote:
Why would they fire them if they werent afraid they would expose the lie of evolution .....and they would lose their funding.....and therefore lose their livelyhood.
Actually they weren't able to expose the "lie" of evolution because the only lie is that evolution is a "lie". If evolution didn't work it would lose its funding. It doesn't lose its funding because it works.

Of course NOTHING is stopping IDCers from demonstrating their claims scientifically themselves. They have their own funding. They have their own labs.

But we've been waiting 20 years for them to even come up with a testable hypothesis, much less a viable scientific theory.

Or you could say we've been waiting 3,000, depending on how you look at it.
imagine2011 wrote:
Why do they want to silence them if they can prove ID to be false???
Please answer the last question, at least.
ID cannot be proven false because ID is as falsifiable as the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's claims about evolution however CAN and HAVE been demonstrated false. They don't want to "silence" them because they can't. That's why you have heard all about it. NOBODY is stopping the IDCers from making TV shows, doing public talks, having websites or preaching on a street corner.

However what they preach is simply anti-science religious apologetics. Which they are ALLOWED to do. UNTIL they try to force it into public schools. And THAT is what the scientific community wants to prevent - ruining public school science education because a bunch of ignorant fuckwits think Jesus will come back within their lifetime and destroy the world.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#89544 May 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it is the god of the old testament that said it is OK to own slaves and stone gay s to death and subjugate women.
yeah. that's the real god. he's also the one that couldn't even get his own creations story correct.
you are in a cult. you worship a proven myth.
The Messiah (God) will "seek to change times and laws" Daniel 7:25. These include both mans and Gods laws. Besides the 10 commandments, the rest of the law was written for a different time. It was appropriate for the time it was written in. The 10 commandments are forever valid, that's why they were written in stone. The rest of the law is changeable, it will usually say if a statute or judgment is perpetual or forever. Isaiah 2:3 "...for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem".
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#89545 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
I never claimed to be better. I told you I used to think like you do but now my eyes are opened with the wisdom of God thru His Spirit.
All true Christians can say the same.
No one wants to be better or claim they're better.
... which means you (claim to) have special access to special knowledge which no-one who disagrees with you can possibly know.

Hence your superiority complex.(shrug)
imagine2011 wrote:
If so, why would we try so hard to include everyone with God's wisdom?
You don't. You merely alienate anyone who is not in your special group and hope that they're as gullible and stupid as you.
imagine2011 wrote:
Why would we care about you, if all we wanted was to boast?
You don't care. You do boast. You are not capable of true charity. The Bible is true cuz the Bible sez so and God is good because God sez so. You are only motivated by two things: fear of eternal torture and desire for eternal paradise. Everyone else could go f ck themselves except for the fact the Bible has told you to preach.

But preaching is spam. Spam upsets the kittens. Why do you hate kittens?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89546 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Science does not "prove the Bible". Again, you should not use words that you do not know how to use properly.
How do you think that "Science proves the Bible"? I bet you are making some very basic logic and biblical mistakes.
No, people are not being fired for being IDiots. That is an outright lie. Some IDiots have complained when they did not get jobs that they applied for, but none of them had a legal leg to stand on.
In fact there are a few creationists that know how to do real science in their chosen fields. Whenever they try to do "creation science" they inevitably go about it in a way that shows they know that they are wrong.
We have been through all of this before so what do you need to know?
And if you want to participate you will have to tell us what you believe in and why.
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
http://www.cross.tv/63730

This video has a long list of ID scientists being fired for even mentioning ID in any papers.

What are the Evo scientists afraid of?

Being shown fradulent hence losing their grants? I say yes.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#89547 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
http://www.cross.tv/63730
This video has a long list of ID scientists being fired for even mentioning ID in any papers.
What are the Evo scientists afraid of?
Being shown fradulent hence losing their grants? I say yes.
http://www.expelledexposed.com/

Welcome to Expelled Exposed, a detailed look at the Ben Stein movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. We'll show you why this movie is not a documentary at all, but anti-science propaganda aimed at creating the appearance of controversy where there is none.

To learn why the claims made in Expelled are false, find out The Truth behind the Fiction. For information on the producers and their actions, go Behind the Scenes. To learn more about evolution and intelligent design, or to see what other people thought of Expelled, view our links to other online Resources. For the results of the contest to refute claims by the film's spokesperson, see how visitors to Expelled Exposed Set Ben Straight.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89548 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed
http://www.cross.tv/63730
This video has a long list of ID scientists being fired for even mentioning ID in any papers.
What are the Evo scientists afraid of?
Being shown fradulent hence losing their grants? I say yes.
Expelled was debunked almost immediately.

They made all sorts of false claims in that movie and were very dishonest in their filming of it.

Here is part one out of 16 debunking that garbage:

imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89549 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Expelled was debunked almost immediately.
They made all sorts of false claims in that movie and were very dishonest in their filming of it.
Here is part one out of 16 debunking that garbage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =F5ixmLNwF9sXX
Well, you can't deny the fact that there are more scientist employed that agree with Evo than ID scientist who are attacked by the large amount of money gathered up by the Evo crowd.

Same is true with Union members.

Same is true in politics.

Same is true with Planned Parenthood.

Science shouldn't be that way....but it is, because of the money.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#89550 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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"age of enlightenment"...you mean knowledge of men?
James 3:13-18 ESV /
Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth.
This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.
But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere....
New Living Translation (2007)
&#9668; Daniel 12:4 &#9658;
But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase."
Proverbs 13:1-25 ESV
A wise son hears his father's instruction, but a scoffer does not listen to rebuke. From the fruit of his mouth a man eats what is good, but the desire of the treacherous is for violence. Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin. The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied. The righteous hates falsehood, but the wicked brings shame and disgrace....
Wait, so even though we are at the most peaceful and safest time in all of history, and it's only getting better, you think that we're better off killing anyone who disagrees and fighting more wars, killing your kids for "back talk" and killing anyone accused of being a witch .... great, you were certainly born in the wrong era, you should have been born in the Dark Ages.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#89551 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Well, you can't deny the fact that there are more scientist employed that agree with Evo than ID scientist who are attacked by the large amount of money gathered up by the Evo crowd.
Same is true with Union members.
Same is true in politics.
Same is true with Planned Parenthood.
Science shouldn't be that way....but it is, because of the money.
Well, if creationism ever provided us with viable and useful things like vaccines, life saving medical procedures, new technology, or ... well anything useful, it would get money as well.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89552 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Well, you can't deny the fact that there are more scientist employed that agree with Evo than ID scientist who are attacked by the large amount of money gathered up by the Evo crowd.
Same is true with Union members.
Same is true in politics.
Same is true with Planned Parenthood.
Science shouldn't be that way....but it is, because of the money.
That is because there is no science to ID. It is nonsense. To date they have not had one successful argument. Case after case of "irreducible complexity" have been reduced.

It is not about money. It is about who is right and who is wrong.

Have you been watching the video series that I linked? So far the first two people who were supposedly discriminated against have been shown to be dishonest to say the least. No discrimination. People cheating to put wrong ideas in front of students and cheating on the rules that govern how papers are published is what has been revealed so far.

Now it is your turn. "Prove" that science is only about the money. I bet you can't. The problem is that the few scientists on your side have cheated to get their ideas across and then they complain when they are caught.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89553 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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That is because there is no science to ID. It is nonsense. To date they have not had one successful argument. Case after case of "irreducible complexity" have been reduced.
It is not about money. It is about who is right and who is wrong.
Have you been watching the video series that I linked? So far the first two people who were supposedly discriminated against have been shown to be dishonest to say the least. No discrimination. People cheating to put wrong ideas in front of students and cheating on the rules that govern how papers are published is what has been revealed so far.
Now it is your turn. "Prove" that science is only about the money. I bet you can't. The problem is that the few scientists on your side have cheated to get their ideas across and then they complain when they are caught.
I've watched the first video, but how are you to know that this guy making the video wasn't using the large amount of Evo money to lie about Expelled?

and how can you say that its not about the money.....it ALWAYS leads to the money!

Also, these people were crushed by the institutions that must keep the Evo theory alive...or they lose everything.

and how can you say who is right or wrong when we haven't been given a chance...YET.

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#89554 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Well, you can't deny the fact that there are more scientist employed that agree with Evo than ID scientist who are attacked by the large amount of money gathered up by the Evo crowd.
Same is true with Union members.
Same is true in politics.
Same is true with Planned Parenthood.
Science shouldn't be that way....but it is, because of the money.
Now you are making stuff up, science doesn't buy votes to be true.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89555 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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I've watched the first video, but how are you to know that this guy making the video wasn't using the large amount of Evo money to lie about Expelled?
and how can you say that its not about the money.....it ALWAYS leads to the money!
Also, these people were crushed by the institutions that must keep the Evo theory alive...or they lose everything.
and how can you say who is right or wrong when we haven't been given a chance...YET.
He used his own time and money. And it does not matter where he got his money from. The truth is the truth. It can be shown that Ben Stein and the company behind "Expelled" lied time after time about the people who were supposedly discriminated against.

Wake up! This is America. If people are wronged they sue, and they sue for big money. I know of only one case where a not hired creatard was paid some "go away" money. The amount he was paid was far less than it would have cost the university to go through a lawsuit. Money that they would have ended up paying whether they won or not.

One thing that case illustrates is that we need more of a British system when it comes to lawsuits. "Loser Pays" stops all sorts of frivolity.

And no institution has to "keep evolution alive". That is one of your more idiotic statements yet. Evolution is "kept alive" because it is science and as Dawkins said "Science works, bitches".

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#89556 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The Messiah (God) will "seek to change times and laws" Daniel 7:25. These include both mans and Gods laws. Besides the 10 commandments, the rest of the law was written for a different time. It was appropriate for the time it was written in. The 10 commandments are forever valid, that's why they were written in stone. The rest of the law is changeable, it will usually say if a statute or judgment is perpetual or forever. Isaiah 2:3 "...for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem".
So, Leviticus is out the window.

Good to know.

That's ALL of Leviticus, right?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89557 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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He used his own time and money. And it does not matter where he got his money from. The truth is the truth. It can be shown that Ben Stein and the company behind "Expelled" lied time after time about the people who were supposedly discriminated against.
Wake up! This is America. If people are wronged they sue, and they sue for big money. I know of only one case where a not hired creatard was paid some "go away" money. The amount he was paid was far less than it would have cost the university to go through a lawsuit. Money that they would have ended up paying whether they won or not.
One thing that case illustrates is that we need more of a British system when it comes to lawsuits. "Loser Pays" stops all sorts of frivolity.
And no institution has to "keep evolution alive". That is one of your more idiotic statements yet. Evolution is "kept alive" because it is science and as Dawkins said "Science works, bitches".
Darwin admitted it was a hoax before his death.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89558 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Darwin admitted it was a hoax before his death.
Nope, that is a lie.

And guess what, even if he did he would have been wrong. See, science works on this interesting concept, it is based upon scientific evidence. It does not matter who finds the evidence, all that matters is what the evidence says.

You are a regular font of lies and bad information.

Isn't there some sort of rule against lying for Christians? I could have sworn there was one somewhere.
HTS

Mandan, ND

#89559 May 18, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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. We'll show you why this movie is not a documentary at all, but anti-science propaganda aimed at creating the appearance of controversy where there is none.
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The biggest anti-science propaganda is teaching of the theory of evolution as if it's legitimate science.
Evolution is nothing more than the religion of atheism. All proposed mechanisms of evolutionary transmutation are biologically impossible.

I have repeatedly demonstrated the innumerable,scientific fallacies that are propagated in the name of Darwinism, and the only retorts I hear are idiotic insults, blasphemy against religion, and perverted logic as you process the undeniable fact that your religion is being exposed for what it is.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#89560 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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I've watched the first video, but how are you to know that this guy making the video wasn't using the large amount of Evo money to lie about Expelled?
and how can you say that its not about the money.....it ALWAYS leads to the money!
Also, these people were crushed by the institutions that must keep the Evo theory alive...or they lose everything.
and how can you say who is right or wrong when we haven't been given a chance...YET.
How do you know that Expelled wasn't produced by a large, tax free, corporation to get you to send them more money?

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#89561 May 18, 2013
HTS wrote:
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The biggest anti-science propaganda is teaching of the theory of evolution as if it's legitimate science.
Evolution is nothing more than the religion of atheism. All proposed mechanisms of evolutionary transmutation are biologically impossible.
I have repeatedly demonstrated the innumerable,scientific fallacies that are propagated in the name of Darwinism, and the only retorts I hear are idiotic insults, blasphemy against religion, and perverted logic as you process the undeniable fact that your religion is being exposed for what it is.
ROFLMAO Okay, so tell me, what is the "doctrine" of atheism? Without a doctrine, there is no religion, thus atheism MUST have a doctrine to be a religion.

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