Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223360 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89521 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Since the Bible has laws dealing with all these things quite obviously this is not a prophecy.
This actually 'is' a prophecy, that has come true, today.

Read it again, slowly.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#89522 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong. Isaiah 19 has been said to be coming true for about 2,000 years now.
It lost all credibility as a prophecy by failing the Nostradamus test. If a prophecy is so vague that it can be interpreted to cover several events it is not a prophecy anymore.
Some prophecies do have a dual fulfillment and it doesn't mean it's not true. The key verse in Isaiah 19 is verse 4 "And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them..." but in verse 20 "he shall send them a savior, and a great one, and he shall deliver them". Christians say it was being fulfilled 2000 years ago because it's about the coming of the Messiah. Jesus fulfilled no messianic prophecy.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89523 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wait! Wait!!
I know the answer to this one!
Is it because without lies they have nothing?
I assume that must be the answer. Creationists never answer that question when it is given to them.
We just don't want to argue with you when you call us liars and we know that we are not, so why argue your incorrect notion?

We try not to stoop to name calling, we truly are trying to discuss or debate a subject, not act like kindergarten kids calling names.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#89524 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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This actually 'is' a prophecy, that has come true, today.
Read it again, slowly.
It doesn't change anything. The Bible told you to stone disobedient children because BEFORE it was written it was a known fact that kids are disobedient. That's the opposite of prophecy. It is also the opposite of good. Like I said: you fundies have call bad things good and good things bad since before the Bible was even written.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#89525 May 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you have yet to learn that the god of the bible has been proven false. there is no such being. you are following a cult.
All religions started out as a cult and the living God started his cult with Abraham. You need to separate the old testament from the new. They are diametrically opposed, don't lump them together. They are about two different gods. The god of the new testament is Lucifer (Jesus) and Satan (Adam), The God of the old is the creator of the universe and mankind. We were created in the image and likeness of God, God is only human. All the gods of other nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. An idol is a physical representation of a (dead) god.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#89526 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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We just don't want to argue with you when you call us liars and we know that we are not, so why argue your incorrect notion?
If you don't want to be called a liar then stop lying. Since you have been caught lying and being dishonest all you can do is cry like a baby.
imagine2011 wrote:
We try not to stoop to name calling
Of course not. You stoop to an unfounded position of authority in which you claim to have special knowledge that you are unable to demonstrate, and anyone who disagrees is somehow deficient.

I mean, who wouldn't be offended at that?(shrug)
imagine2011 wrote:
we truly are trying to discuss or debate a subject
You are not capable of discussing or debating the subject. That is why you have avoided it at every opportunity.
imagine2011 wrote:
not act like kindergarten kids calling names.
No, you act like kindergarten kids by ranting "I'm better than you, nyah nyah!". Then cry when we point out you're not.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89527 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You just described every point in history, every point that is .... except now. Oh, the irony, the writers of your bible were not prepared for an actual age of enlightenment.
"age of enlightenment"...you mean knowledge of men?

James 3:13-18 ESV /
Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth.

This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.

But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere....

New Living Translation (2007)
&#9668; Daniel 12:4 &#9658;
But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase."

Proverbs 13:1-25 ESV
A wise son hears his father's instruction, but a scoffer does not listen to rebuke. From the fruit of his mouth a man eats what is good, but the desire of the treacherous is for violence. Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin. The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied. The righteous hates falsehood, but the wicked brings shame and disgrace....
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#89528 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All religions started out as a cult and the living God started his cult with Abraham. You need to separate the old testament from the new. They are diametrically opposed, don't lump them together. They are about two different gods. The god of the new testament is Lucifer (Jesus) and Satan (Adam), The God of the old is the creator of the universe and mankind. We were created in the image and likeness of God, God is only human. All the gods of other nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. An idol is a physical representation of a (dead) god.
IMAGINE2011 - What sayest thou?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89529 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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This actually 'is' a prophecy, that has come true, today.
Read it again, slowly.
no. like i factually pointed out, it sounds a lot more like when you christians were allowed to run amok on this planet...

evil, evil cult you belong to...

get deprogrammed, there are services you can find online that might save your humanity...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89530 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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We just don't want to argue with you when you call us liars and we know that we are not, so why argue your incorrect notion?
We try not to stoop to name calling, we truly are trying to discuss or debate a subject, not act like kindergarten kids calling names.
You are new here so you have not lied,.... yet.

You would be extremely hard pressed to find a video of any antievolutionist who was either an outright liar, a complete idiot, or both.

You have not been answering honest questions given to you, that is not a form of lying, but it is avoiding the truth.

And you came in here with an attitude. So don't imply kindergarten mentalities to others of something that you are guilty of.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89531 May 18, 2013
Here is a hint for you imagine2011, since the Bible has been shown to be horribly flawed here it does you no good to quote from it.

This is a scientific discussion which means you should try to use science to defend your beliefs. Not a book of fantasy written by sheep shaggers.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#89532 May 18, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>All religions started out as a cult and the living God started his cult with Abraham. You need to separate the old testament from the new. They are diametrically opposed, don't lump them together. They are about two different gods. The god of the new testament is Lucifer (Jesus) and Satan (Adam), The God of the old is the creator of the universe and mankind. We were created in the image and likeness of God, God is only human. All the gods of other nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens. An idol is a physical representation of a (dead) god.
it is the god of the old testament that said it is OK to own slaves and stone gay s to death and subjugate women.

yeah. that's the real god. he's also the one that couldn't even get his own creations story correct.

you are in a cult. you worship a proven myth.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89533 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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IMAGINE2011 - What sayest thou?
Shame on her for blasphemy. I feel sorry for her, to be honest. I'd hate to be that blinded by satan.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89534 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Shame on her for blasphemy. I feel sorry for her, to be honest. I'd hate to be that blinded by satan.
You are just as bad. Susan may be mentally deranged, what is your excuse?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89535 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Here is a hint for you imagine2011, since the Bible has been shown to be horribly flawed here it does you no good to quote from it.
This is a scientific discussion which means you should try to use science to defend your beliefs. Not a book of fantasy written by sheep shaggers.
We have been using science to prove the Bible....don't you know that or are your evolutionary teachers hiding that fact?

Intellegent Design scientists are being fired from their decades long professions these days, kinda like persecution???

Why would they fire them if they werent afraid they would expose the lie of evolution .....and they would lose their funding.....and therefore lose their livelyhood.

Why do they want to silence them if they can prove ID to be false???

Please answer the last question, at least.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#89536 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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"age of enlightenment"...you mean knowledge of men?
James 3:13-18 ESV /
Who is blah blah
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Bub, you're preaching again.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#89537 May 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You are new here so you have not lied,.... yet.
Actually he has, confirmed 17 minutes ago:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TFA...

He is now guilty as charged. Evidence does not matter to him. Whatever is posted will instantly be dismissed as all being part of the worldwide evil atheist Darwinist evolutionist scientist elitist Liberal Socialist Communist Nazi baby-eating God-hating Satan-worshipping time-travelling Jewish Illuminati conspiracy. No attempt will be made at rebuttal because he wasn't interested in debating or discussing the subject anyway, despite his claim to the contrary.

Yes my friends, we have yet another dyed in the wool run of the mill reality-denying dishonest hypocritical liar for Jesus. Nothing to see here, move along.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#89538 May 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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If you don't want to be called a liar then stop lying. Since you have been caught lying and being dishonest all you can do is cry like a baby.
<quoted text>
Of course not. You stoop to an unfounded position of authority in which you claim to have special knowledge that you are unable to demonstrate, and anyone who disagrees is somehow deficient.
I mean, who wouldn't be offended at that?(shrug)
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You are not capable of discussing or debating the subject. That is why you have avoided it at every opportunity.
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No, you act like kindergarten kids by ranting "I'm better than you, nyah nyah!". Then cry when we point out you're not.
I never claimed to be better. I told you I used to think like you do but now my eyes are opened with the wisdom of God thru His Spirit.

All true Christians can say the same.

No one wants to be better or claim they're better.

If so, why would we try so hard to include everyone with God's wisdom?

Why would we care about you, if all we wanted was to boast?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#89539 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Shame on her for blasphemy. I feel sorry for her, to be honest. I'd hate to be that blinded by satan.
Funny, she thinks EXACTLY the same about you. As it happens we think that you and her are just as daft as each other.

(shrug)

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#89540 May 18, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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We have been using science to prove the Bible....don't you know that or are your evolutionary teachers hiding that fact?
Intellegent Design scientists are being fired from their decades long professions these days, kinda like persecution???
Why would they fire them if they werent afraid they would expose the lie of evolution .....and they would lose their funding.....and therefore lose their livelyhood.
Why do they want to silence them if they can prove ID to be false???
Please answer the last question, at least.
Science does not "prove the Bible". Again, you should not use words that you do not know how to use properly.

How do you think that "Science proves the Bible"? I bet you are making some very basic logic and biblical mistakes.

No, people are not being fired for being IDiots. That is an outright lie. Some IDiots have complained when they did not get jobs that they applied for, but none of them had a legal leg to stand on.

In fact there are a few creationists that know how to do real science in their chosen fields. Whenever they try to do "creation science" they inevitably go about it in a way that shows they know that they are wrong.

We have been through all of this before so what do you need to know?

And if you want to participate you will have to tell us what you believe in and why.

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