Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Your a nut!
Not really since as we've pointed out, all rules are made up. You on the other hand claim all morals come from an invisible magic Jewish wizard that said incest, rape and mass genocide is all good, and that you agree. However if I'm wrong about you being a creationist do please make it clear.
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Not really since as we've pointed out, all rules are made up. You on the other hand claim all morals come from an invisible magic Jewish wizard that said incest, rape and mass genocide is all good, and that you agree. However if I'm wrong about you being a creationist do please make it clear.
If all rules are ,...just made up...then there is no right and wrong, only someones opinion, therefore rape ,incest and genocide may be perfectly okay in someones view and is equal to your view. Unless you are appealing to some standard, are you?

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Wrong! natural selection does NOT decide what is a crime that is a moral choice ! Two apes fight and one kills the other is not murder, according to the evolutionists we are apes right?
You've been told a thousand times that NO we are no apes. We share a common ancestor. Can you understand that?

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Wrong! natural selection does NOT decide what is a crime that is a moral choice ! Two apes fight and one kills the other is not murder, according to the evolutionists we are apes right?
We are apes, but that has nothing to do with what you are saying.
We have laws that determine whether two apes fighting is or is not a crime. Natural selection in the wild could be two apes fighting for male dominance and breeding rights, but that hardly applies to humans. If you kill Larry to breed with Shaquanna your monkey ass is going to jail to be Bubba's new little beotch.

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If all rules are ,...just made up...then there is no right and wrong, only someones opinion, therefore rape ,incest and genocide may be perfectly okay in someones view and is equal to your view. Unless you are appealing to some standard, are you?
you think there is some universal right and wrong? who or what set that up? what is your proof of that who or what?

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<quoted text>5X5.
42. no wait...damn, where's my towel? i'm panicking!!!

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Wrong! natural selection does NOT decide what is a crime that is a moral choice ! Two apes fight and one kills the other is not murder, according to the evolutionists we are apes right?
yet apes and wolves and other social animals do ostracize pack members for behavior they do not condone...seems they do have crimes and punishment.(and they can't even read Dostoyevsky!)

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<quoted text>yet apes and wolves and other social animals do ostracize pack members for behavior they do not condone...seems they do have crimes and punishment.(and they can't even read Dostoyevsky!)
Or the bible.

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MikeF wrote:
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Or the bible.
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they never invented cults like humans did...

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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>42. no wait...damn, where's my towel? i'm panicking!!!
Just suck on the end with the antidepressants.

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If all rules are ,...just made up...then there is no right and wrong, only someones opinion, therefore rape ,incest and genocide may be perfectly okay in someones view and is equal to your view. Unless you are appealing to some standard, are you?
What standard? You don't even have a standard.
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If all rules are ,...just made up...then there is no right and wrong, only someones opinion, therefore rape ,incest and genocide may be perfectly okay in someones view and is equal to your view.
Bingo. There are only choices and consequences. Therefore over time people invented rules to help both individuals and society as a whole deal with those choices and consequences.
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Unless you are appealing to some standard, are you?
On the contrary I am not appealing to any common standard at all. That's the point. Fundies claim to appeal to a common standard which comes from the divine. Only problem is that their common standard is also arbitrary, since the religion was made up by people making up arbitrary rules. And even if the rules really were laid down by a divine being then that was God being just as arbitrary, hence why he keeps changing his mind on what he likes and doesn't like. Plus many of his acts in the book make all the worst tyrants in the world look like a bunch of little girls making daisy-chains. These acts are either ignored by fundies for convenience or called "good", not because of any virtue of the act but because who was ultimately behind them.

This makes fundies incapable of moral choices because they have no idea how to do so. All they can do is refer to the Bible and claim something is "good" because the invisible magic wizard says so. Other than that their only genuine motivations to do "good" is either fear of eternal hell or desire for eternal paradise. They are completely amoral and incapable of true charity.
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What standard? You don't even have a standard.
Well, in our experience of most fundies on here, the standard seems to be if they lie a lot they are doing "good" for the Lord.(shrug)
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Moses was raised in the privilage of knowing the truth about our Creator and he became the law giver, The scriptures tell us how God gave guidance through Moses and the prophets. Now the comandments and precepts are all fufilled in the words of Jesus and he said that we were to love God and also love our neighbor as much as we love our ownselves. Jesus gave a commandment to love and forgive and this is pleasing to God.
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Nimrod/Marduk was responsible for the false religion beginning in Babylon and throughout the world and his chosen priest lineage were the privilaged in his kingdom which spread abroad. Moses knew the true God and he was raised in the priests house of the Pharoah ruler in Egypt.

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What standard .. You don't even have a standard
really .. like KK would have any clue as to what a "standard" is

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FREE SERVANT wrote:
Moses was raised in the privilage of knowing the truth about our Creator and he became the law giver, The scriptures tell us how God gave guidance through Moses and the prophets. Now the comandments and precepts are all fufilled in the words of Jesus and he said that we were to love God and also love our neighbor as much as we love our ownselves. Jesus gave a commandment to love and forgive and this is pleasing to God.
yeah, remember? that was when your fictitious god told us through Moses that slavery was good. that stoning gays to death was good...that witches were real...

yeah. Moses sure had some divine guidance there, huh? and yu worship this made up god with such poor morals...
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New York Times: "We are Sarcopterygian Fish,"
.......... If You Ignore Contrary Data
You HAVE no contrary data. You have a bunch of apologists who deny reality while lying for Jesus. We know this since (for one thing) they claimed to have toppled Tiktaalik despite the fact it was a resounding successful scientific prediction that they could never have made, and apologetics from your side denying that appeared before they had even been near the specimen itself.

They still haven't.(shrug)

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