Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 218743 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#88173 Apr 28, 2013
ViaDolorosa wrote:
Perhaps the real reason you guys can't find evidence for God is for the same reason a criminal can't find a police officer.
.
You aren't genuinely looking.
:)
Blah, blah, blah.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#88174 Apr 28, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Wait, what's that fifth one again?
Seriously!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#88175 Apr 28, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"Did you ever just stop, stand back, and look at that story and realize how stupid it is??"
I know what you mean.
The Big Bang
Spontaneous self generating life form
Evolution all life plant and animal coming out of a mud puddle.
You believe in Poof of the Universe and Poof of Life. Sooooo much more believable.
KJV

United States

#88177 Apr 28, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Why would I have sin??

I am not a sinner.
Wrong.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#88178 Apr 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so the angels do not know god's plan? really?
Yeah, and what';s more, this snooty Jesus of their, who cannot abide sin and will not have any of it in his Holy Heaven discovered a bit too late that 1/3 of all the angels in his Holy Heaven were turning against him and plotting, etc.

Some dumbo, this God of theirs, isn't he? LOL

And by the way, this story, which they all believe, isn't even in the Bible.
KJV

United States

#88179 Apr 28, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>How can you do that without proving your case to us?
God shows himself in many ways.

Seek and he shall find.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#88180 Apr 28, 2013
ViaDolorosa wrote:
Evolution has not one iota of evidence - none, zilch, nadda.
It would take more faith to believe in evolution than God
Really? Tell that to these GOD BELIEVERS, the evangelical Christians at Baylor University, the "largest Baptist University in the world," where the students go on mission trips, etc.

This is from the Biology Department at Baylor:
http://www.baylor.edu/biology/index.php...

Statement on Evolution
"Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously."

Also, here from the Baylor Geology Department:
http://www.baylor.edu/geology/index.php...

Quote:

"Question: Does the fossil record support the idea of biological change over time (biological evolution)?

Yes. The fossil record clearly indicates...

• a progression in complexity of organisms from very simple fossil forms in the oldest rocks (>3.5 billion years old) to a broad spectrum from simple to complex forms in younger rocks,

• that some organisms that were once common are now extinct, and

• that the living organisms inhabiting our world today are similar (but generally not the same) as organisms represented as fossils in young sedimentary deposits, which in turn have evolutionary ancestors represented as fossils in yet older rocks.

Mammals, for example, are prevalent today and can be traced back in the fossil record for approximately 200 million years, but are not present as mammals in the fossil record before that; however, fossil forms that have reasonably been interpreted to be associated with the evolutionary precursors to mammals are found in older rocks.

Whether biological evolution occurs has not been a matter of scientific debate for more than a century. It is considered a proven fact."

End quote
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#88181 Apr 28, 2013
This conclusion, from the Baptist Christians at the Baylor science departments, is worth repeating:

"Whether biological evolution occurs has not been a matter of scientific debate for more than a century. It is considered a proven fact."
KJV

United States

#88182 Apr 28, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, I'm scared!
I don't believe you. You're far too arrogant to believe you could be wrong.
Pride one of the seven deadly sins.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#88183 Apr 28, 2013
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/10/my-t...

My Take: Jesus would believe in evolution and so should you
Editor's Note: Karl W. Giberson, Ph.D., is vice president of The BioLogos Foundation and is the author or coauthor of seven books, including The Language of Science and Faith.

By Karl W. Giberson, Special to CNN

Jesus once famously said,“I am the Truth.”

Christianity at its best embodies this provocative idea and has long been committed to preserving, expanding and sharing truth. Most of the great universities of the world were founded by Christians committed to the truth—in all its forms—and to training new generations to carry it forward.

When science began in the 17th century, Christians eagerly applied the new knowledge to alleviate suffering and improve living conditions.

But when it comes to the truth of evolution, many Christians feel compelled to look the other way. They hold on to a particular interpretation of an ancient story in Genesis that they have fashioned into a modern account of origins - a story that began as an oral tradition for a wandering tribe of Jews thousands of years ago.

This is the view on display in a $27 million dollar Creation Museum in Kentucky. It inspired the Institute for Creation Research, which purports to offer scientific support for creationism.

And it’s hardly a fringe view. A 2010 Gallup poll indicated that 4 in 10 Americans think that “God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so.”( http://www.gallup.com/poll/145286/four-americ... )

While Genesis contains wonderful insights into the relationship between God and the creation, it simply does not contain scientific ideas about the origin of the universe, the age of the earth or the development of life.

For more than two centuries, careful scientific research, much of it done by Christians, has demonstrated clearly that the earth is billions years old, not mere thousands, as many creationists argue. We now know that the human race began millions of years ago in Africa - not thousands of years ago in the Middle East, as the story in Genesis suggests.

And all life forms are related to each other though evolution. These are important truths that science has discovered through careful research. They are not “opinions” that can be set aside if you don’t like them.

Anyone who values truth must take these ideas seriously, for they have been established as true beyond any reasonable doubt.

There is much evidence for evolution. The most compelling comes from the study of genes, especially now that the Human Genome Project has been completed and the genomes of many other species being constantly mapped.

In particular, humans share an unfortunate “broken gene” with many other primates, including chimpanzees, orangutans, and macaques. This gene, which works fine in most mammals, enables the production of Vitamin C. Species with broken versions of the gene can’t make Vitamin C and must get it from foods like oranges and lemons.

Thousands of hapless sailors died painful deaths scurvy during the age of exploration because their “Vitamin C” gene was broken.

How can different species have identical broken genes? The only reasonable explanation is that they inherited it from a common ancestor.

Not surprisingly, evolution since the time of Darwin has claimed that humans, orangutans, chimpanzees, and macaques evolved recently from a common ancestor. The new evidence from genetics corroborates this.

Such evidence proves common ancestry with a level of certainty comparable to the evidence that the earth goes around the sun.

continued...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#88184 Apr 28, 2013
part II

This is but one of many, many evidences that support the truth of evolution - that make it a “sacred fact” that Christians must embrace in the name of truth. And they should embrace this truth with enthusiasm, for this is the world that God created.

Christians must come to welcome - rather than fear - the ideas of evolution. Truths about Nature are sacred, for they speak of our Creator. Such truths constitute “God’s second book” for Christians to read alongside the Bible.

In the 17th century, Galileo used the metaphor of the “two books” to help Christians of his generation understand the sacred truth that the earth moves about the sun.“The Bible,” he liked to say,“tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens ago.”

To understand how the heavens go we must read the book of Nature, not the Bible.

The Book of nature reveals the truth that God created the world through gradual processes over billions of years, rather than over the course of six days, as many creationists believe.

Evolution does not contradict the Bible unless you force an unreasonable interpretation on that ancient book.

To suppose, as the so-called young earth creationists do, that God dictated modern scientific ideas to ancient and uncomprehending scribes is to distort the biblical message beyond recognition. Modern science was not in the worldview of the biblical authors and it is not in the Bible.

Science is not a sinister enterprise aimed at destroying faith. It’s an honest exploration of the wonderful world that God created.

We are often asked to think about what Jesus would do, if he lived among us today. Who would Jesus vote for? What car would he drive?

To these questions we should add “What would Jesus believe about origins?”

And the answer? Jesus would believe evolution, of course. He cares for the Truth.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#88185 Apr 28, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
God shows himself in many ways.
Seek and he shall find.
Most atheists in the U.S. know the Bible much better than most Christians. They have sought. They are also aware of possible traps, such as confirmation bias. The evidence does not seem to be out there.
KJV

United States

#88187 Apr 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>actually, new life forms pop up in the geological record throughout history.

your cult only talks of one creation event, in total opposition to the known facts in the matter.
You've got proof of life still being spontaneous self generating?
KJV

United States

#88188 Apr 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the proof is in the total lack of any verifiable evidence of any magic.

the proof your cult god is a myth is the impossiblity of the god your cult describes ever existing as stated. your cult even contradicts itself about it's own god. he is infallible, yret changes his mind often. he performed a creation event that didn't happen that way. he lies to his people when that god is supposedly above lying.

your cult lied to you...again...proven fact.
Sorry that's not proof

'Sigh'
KJV

United States

#88189 Apr 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>but you don't even have one teensy eensy shred of evidence for the god of your cult or for any god, gods or goddesses at all.

not one shred. nada. zilch. zippo. none.
Again a old lie. Nothing ever new offered from this broken record.
KJV

United States

#88190 Apr 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>I have no time for an ignorant fool right now.

And a lying one at that.

What is the most recent and most accurate poll on the percentage of atheists again? You know you were lying when you posted your source. You broke rule number one for creatards, that prove you not only lied but that you know that you lied. In the 2012 Pew Poll the number of atheists and agnostics was up to 6%. If you add in the 14% who have no religious faith that number is 20%.

In another 20 years you may be in the minority.
Posted with links.
I didn't write it.

Note all source are listed, and yes Pew is one in the list. No lies

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...

A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.

Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.

Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.

According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...

According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."

Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population

While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...

Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:

The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%

persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,

In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:

In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! Atheism is in decline.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#88191 Apr 28, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry that's not proof
'Sigh'
sure it is.

the god of your cult is a proven myth. and there is no magic. you cannot deny these facts honestly.
KJV

United States

#88192 Apr 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, only a Christian could come up with something like that.

So KJV, are you sorry that your man lost?
Sorry Sub.
He was not one of us.

“e pluribus unum”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#88193 Apr 28, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You've got proof of life still being spontaneous self generating?
You got proof all species existed at the same time?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#88194 Apr 28, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You've got proof of life still being spontaneous self generating?
proof that the creation event as described didn't happen.

your cult lied to you...again....you know, the cult you continually, repeatedly lie about being in, and then spew their bible word for word..that cult.

why do you have to continually lie about your cult? have you ever posted on true comment?

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